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- colindunn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+114Dugg for not calling it an iPhone Killer.
- shnitzel12, on 10/17/2007, -3/+38300 bucks is cheap because it can also be a gps-enabled PDA , a guitar tuner , a high-speed wireless file swapping gizmo , a wireless remote , stream mp3s over BT , not to mention SKYPE seamlessly integrated in your contact list. WE CAN DO THIS , PEOPLE!
- fishface, on 10/10/2007, -5/+39From the OpenMoko site:
"Please note that the OpenMoko products are not meant for the end user and explicitly marked as Developer preview at this time. Read this wiki article to find more technical details of what you can and cannot expect of these devices."
not a viable alternative for the general public yet.... - ut2k4king, on 10/10/2007, -4/+32First off: I'm very happy with my iPhone, I don't once regret buying it. That being said, this is one of the coolest open source projects I've ever seen. Props to the team, I hope it all works out.
- stupergenius, on 10/17/2007, -2/+25That's like saying Ubuntu or any other largely successful Linux distro fail on the home PC simply because the majority have Microsoft or Apple OSes. Instead what we have is a very small, active, and dedicated community providing quality software in regular update intervals.
- sirhomer, on 10/17/2007, -1/+19Why compare it to the iPhone anyways? Why must everyone compare things to Apple products?
- Ellipsys, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17OpenMoko is a software platform, not a hardware one. I will buy an OpenMoko powered phone - in fact, I will be happy to. I want to to see it developed. However, I will not buy the FIC17xx hardware. I want HDSPA 3g. I want a much, much slimmer package. I would like a multitouch display. If you make the hardware slim, sexy, and powerful, I'll buy it. Until then, I'm sticking with hacking around with my iPhone.
- hexydes, on 10/17/2007, -10/+25Despite the fact that this phone looks nowhere near as nice as the iPhone, I would still be more than willing to consider it, but the thing costs almost as much as an iPhone. I can appreciate not being forced to buy a $20 a month data plan, but seriously, this phone looks and functions nowhere good enough to justify its price. I think if it cost $149 or something, it would find a big draw in the enthusiast crowd, but at $300, it's just too much for anyone to pick up, play with, and get hooked on.
P.S. The case on the Moko is atrocious. Why are the top and bottom circles?! Calm those edges down a bit, It's like when someone goes overboard with "beveled edge" in Photoshop. - Radar3D, on 10/10/2007, -9/+24It's a phone. Get over yourself.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15Good job it's open source then, so someone can make a different phone.
- lastdeadmouse, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Consumer aimed model to be out around December.
- lastdeadmouse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11It's not an iPhone killer. Just one alternative.
- kris33, on 10/17/2007, -4/+15They didn't call it that for good reasons.
- nanostream, on 10/10/2007, -14/+24Please digg this down with a vengeance.
Or for those who prefer reverse-psychology,
I demand you to digg this up with a vengeance. - schlagzeuger, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12I sad that it only has 2.5G GPRS. No HSDPA? Why no 3G data network?
- yhan, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13The OpenMoko guys just don't get it. This is more of a competition to the windows mobile devices than to the iPhone. The design is hideous, if you take a careful look at the interface (browse the openmoko dev wikis etc) it is simply put together by monkeys that know how to write code, not by anyone with even a slightest sense of usability nor design in mind.
What I'm saying is that you can have lots of devices more feature rich and whatnot than an iphone/ipod like the nokia n800, the archos pmp's, the windows mobile phones etc. The reason they aren't successful is that those are only great until you realize that the device is going to be used by humans, not (code) monkeys with total indifference for art and design. - SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9That is a problem with the iPhone, not a general touchscreen problem. See PalmOS for a 10-years-old single-touch OS that isn't that restrictive.
- BRODEL, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Yes, actually. I have been waiting for apple to open the damn thing up since it came out. In it's current form it's just some half assed beta product that they're afraid will break if they allow people to write apps for it. I want one, but I refuse to get one until they open it up (3G would be a good idea too..)
- FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9It would be nice if someone could find a way to hack openmoko ONTO the iphone so that people could abandon Apple and AT&T all at once...
- Sk8SkaNJ, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10"that just works'
I guess their marketing plan works. - sqrt7744, on 10/17/2007, -7/+15All who plan on buying one, digg this comment up. Let's see if it gets more than 15 diggs. Also, I am a developer, I plan on buying this phone, and I will write at least 1 app for it (unless I'm driven over by a truck between now and Christmas)
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I love the idea of the openmoko and i don't so much care that its ugly. But the price is out of my range , but i applaud the fact that they encourage your to open it, and develop for it.
- kazamx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I sent them an email telling them to work harder, does that count?
- dcmjzero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8you are so wrong on both parts:
1. iphone has 8 gigs of flash- not a hard drive
2. the neo1973 has a touch screen, just not multitouch- yet - nvisi0n, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7He mentions the $20 additional for the iPhone plan. Now I hate the iPhone with a passion but I have to go to bat for it here: The $20 includes unlimited data and 200 text messages. That is a good deal. On my HTC Hermes PocketPC I pay 29.99 for the same data package, it's not the Apple folks getting screwed. If AT&T knew you were running this PDA device you would be paying more then the Apple package too.
- harlowsmonkeys, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10Java is covered by patents, too. Do you think Java should not be on OpenMoko?
- Obligation, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11For great justice!
- jopsen, on 10/17/2007, -1/+7I'm also a developer and would like to buy it once the hardware specs are good enough and the phone is small enough to replace a simple phone/mp3 player... :)
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Thanks for reminding those less familiar with this that it's still not ready for "normal consumers".
- cypherz, on 10/17/2007, -3/+9Really? Are you coding for it now?
- mrsteveman1, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8How Apple ever got that reputation outside of marketing i don't know. I've seen plenty of Macs crash, and I've seen plenty of things that Apple actively refuses to implement (and goes out of their way to prevent implementation by anyone).
Apple products may "just work", but only for trivially simple purposes. - hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I have literally no interest in using AT&T for data access. I have ubiquitous wi-fi at work, at home, and a few of the restaurants that I frequent. That constitutes about 90% of the places I'm at during the day. That extra 10% coverage is just not worth $20 a month (especially when I already pay AT&T $110 a month for a four-person plan).
It's nice they have a package for data, but there are people that don't need it. It is quite obvious that Apple came out with a great device, and Cingular tried to "value-add" with it by forcing a data plan and such, just so that they could bleed their customers a bit more. If I wanted to get an iPhone for every person on my plan (which I would certainly consider), I would have to pay $110 a month for phone access, and then an added $80 a month for data access. Please justify to me why I should ever be paying a service company $200 a month when I am an individual consumer. That is more than most phone, Internet, and cable packages combined.
AT&T is a snake of a company. It is sad that they are the best option for consumers, and that it simply goes down from there. Coincidentally, this is why it is *SO* important that Google wins the new spectrum, and not one of the legacy wireless telcos. If you want that OpenMoko to catch on, that would certainly be one way... - FreakyT, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I've actually used one of these things (I know someone who bought one) and, unless the UI gets some serious remodeling (right now it's extremely terrible, imagine what would happen if you took the Palm OS interface, and tried to graft a bunch of the Windows Mobile ones on in a font so small it's virtually unreadable, and you'd have the OpenMoko interface)
I despise Apple as a company (ever since the GPU fell off my iBook due to a manufacturing flaw) and would never buy any of their products again, but let's face it: Apple is THE ONLY company that can design decent user interfaces. - cypherz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I hope this succeeds but I'm not holding my breath either. I was an early adopter of the Nokia web tablets. They ended up not generating nearly the support I had hoped. Much of the Linux based software that was written for the platform (or ported to it) was/is buggy to the point of being almost unusable. I hope this platform fairs better.
The developer platform (that's all this is) is fairly limited compared to some other closed phone platforms. I think that fact in itself is enough to keep devs from investing in the platform. - lastdeadmouse, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6It's to those people that this becomes a viable alternative.
- CraigJ, on 10/10/2007, -10/+15This looks interesting, but this is not really an alternative. Most iPhone purchasers like the iPhone as it it, it is the minority (less than 10% I believe) that even have a clue about the platform or 3rd party apps, plus they like iPod functionality and iTunes. This will appeal only to a subset of that minority.
- dcharti, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Yea, that extra $20 I'm paying sure is a needless premium...
or a surprisingly cheap price (as opposed to typical rates of ~ $40/50) for the data plan you need to access the web outside Wi-Fi bubbles.
If you're going to stack up features, be real about them. Don't spread FUD to make a point. Any phone that wants to access the web via a wireless provider's network will need to have a data plan on the account. Period. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Considering how restrictive the iphone interface is at times even with multitouch, I can't imagine it working very well without it.
- dubloe7, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5i got the t-mobile dash a while back. it was free + a $50 rebate, so $50 profit. i find that affordable.
still wish that it had 3g though. - Chairboy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7The $20 data plan item in the article and your comment is a bit disconnected. If you want to use the phone as a web console with network access, you'll need some sort of data plan from your cell provider. Cingular/AT&T has had one for their PDA phones for a while before the iPhone but it cost $40 extra a month. The $20 iPhone addition is actually cheaper than what you've needed to pay up until now.
This is true for most of the other phone providers. The plan is for real data, btw, not the emasculated 'MediaNet' equivalents that cost $20 and are based around providing WAP browsing services, so it's not so bad.
So yes, you don't have to spend $20 for a data plan, but the consequence is that your PDA phone is a PDA and a Phone, but won't browse the web. This might be fine for a bunch of folks, but you won't be able to whip it out and Google something the way the slick haired iPhone owners do while sipping their lattes and telling everyone around them how they don't even OWN a television, but would only watch PBS if they did.
The iPhone is not without faults, but the $20 data fee is actually pretty good, considering. - OdinEye, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I keep seeing people say how it's less than the iPhone, but when I RTFA I see that the base model, listed as being "not really ready for use" starts at a base of $300, and rises to $450 if you want the additional development hardware. The product that is felt to be ready for consumer use starts at $450 base, and rises to $600 if you want the development stuff.
So - if I want a product that is ready for consumer use I can buy this thing for $450.00, drop another $100 or so on a couple of 4 Gig memory cards (that's $550 now) *or* get an 8 Gig iPhone for $50 bucks *less* than the starting price. This is not to mention actually having the option to call for tech assistance or take it into the apple store, and have a major company behind it that isn't likely to disappear within the next six months. - h0zae, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5hopefully it will make phone calls soon......
- HipOldGuy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Excuse me but the $20 extra is the same rate I paid for Unlimited Data with my prior phone from Cingular/AT&T.
I know you can't decide not to have the unlimited data with the iPhone, but without it the iPhone is just a umm...phone.
So it is dishonest to try and sell the $20 as a premium for the iPhone, since any phone from Cingular/AT&T would have to pay at least $20 for unlimited data. - Tenoq, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4And hardly a viable one. The two biggest criticisms of the iPhone are (were) price and no 3G. The OpenMoko costs just as much and it doesn't have 3G either: now or in future planned models. Seriously, get with the times! My next phone MUST have HSDPA - Wi-Fi just won't work for me (it's not as widely available here).
- hornsworth, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8Very good designs don't just look good, their form contributes to good use as well. This phone looks poorly thought out, which is really too bad. Is there some reason for the rounded shape? It just means it takes up more space, and can't be set on its edge.
- nunofgs, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5RTFA. The GTA02 version of the phone will be out in December for the general public.
- KyleGoetz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Alltel
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U.S. Cellular - lotsofcooki3s, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I wonder if listening to music on the OpenMoke involves writing sounds to the audio driver file yourself... hmmm... :)
- dcmjzero, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4is this phone not good enough? what else do you want?
- dubloe7, on 10/17/2007, -2/+6because some people tend to think that apple is at the peak of technology. if you had apple's marketing department at your disposal you could sell anything.
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