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- mdp8889, on 06/04/2008, -2/+26Google's Android FTW
- vincentwega, on 06/04/2008, -3/+25Let Linux prevail....
- daftman, on 06/04/2008, -1/+11> That means that any and all security, authentication, codec, etc software has to be at a higher level. This is inefficient and increases hardware costs and requirements.
Have you heard of OpenSSH?
Security by obscurity is old. These days it's all about signing with private digital keys. Those aren't in the source code. - Strd, on 06/04/2008, -0/+10Symbian is not an Open Source. It's completely closed source. In fact it's Gulag of mobile OS, in some sense worse then even Windows Mobile. The reason - digital signing. All application should be digitally signed. App with some basic functionality could be signed by developer, but anything more (like complete access to disk) - only by Symbian Ltd for $$. Symbian is no better then MS in the way they blocking free open sourced software.
Happily their signing system already cracked. But cracked system is not the same as open system. - teaguecl, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5You make three assertions. As a employee of a mobile phone handset maker I have a lot of insight into these, let me comment on therm:
1. Carriers are not interested in promoting "open source".
Absolutely true, they couldn't care less.
2. They want control over what their phones do
100% spot on. They are crazy ridiculous about this.
3. you will not seem them migrating to Linux
Wrong. So wrong, you can't imagine. Somehow you think that item 3 would prevent them from accomplishing item 2 - that is not true. They like Linux because it allows them to get cheaper products faster. - ishkur88, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5There are several Linux phones that are already quite 'mainstream'....
- ZachSka87, on 06/04/2008, -0/+5Ubuntu/Debian = Linux
Linux != Ubuntu/Debian
Get it? - lickmyback, on 06/04/2008, -0/+4Yeah but when the hell is OpenMoko going to hurry up and release the FreeRunner?
- melat0nin, on 06/04/2008, -3/+6It shares the technology, but I'm not so sure it shares the ideas...
- directrix13, on 06/04/2008, -0/+3Just a quick FYI. Linux is only the kernel. There are a multitude of other components that are not GPL (BSD/MPL/etc.) or are LGPL. I really doubt that releasing their modifications would be much of a concern because they would just avoid the libs that *require* them to do so if it mattered that much. For instance, Android is BSD licensed and carriers can release or not release whatever apps they want as open.
- ThantiK, on 06/04/2008, -6/+9I think they largely understate the prevalence of Linux on smartphones. Your iPhone is using a *nix system. It's at a 20% smartphone share in the marketplace already! It's not linux but it shares a lot of the same ideas. What are we going to have on the other 80%...windows? Give me a break! And @ Cerejota...ACTIVEX?! are you SERIOUS - ActiveX on smartphones would be a plague to mankind.
I believe more of a 60/40 split with linux on smartphones once android is released. And only 40% for the windows mobile's because they had a large head-start on marketing. - tripzero, on 06/04/2008, -0/+3Estimates and predictions are consistently wrong. get over it.
- AmnioticEntity, on 06/04/2008, -3/+6lol...activeX is why nix in a fone will fail? that is one fantastic argument...
- HonestAbe, on 06/04/2008, -0/+3I've been using Firefox without ActiveX for years, and haven't had any problems.
- teaguecl, on 06/04/2008, -0/+3Cerejota, that is the most ill-informed argument I've ever heard. I work in the mobile phone business, and every assumption you made is wrong. The carriers are not worried about releasing modifications - they don't have to. The code that is added is not tainted by the GPL in any way (thanks to the LGPL), and that whole idea is ridiculous. The carriers want good phones developed fast. They like Linux because it allows them to do that - but they certainly are not open source fanatics.
- lolinyerface, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2lol
- daftman, on 06/05/2008, -0/+2Irrelevent
- tripzero, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2You should really get treatment for you denial problem. If Linux didn't exist, most of the ummm, _Internet_ wouldn't exist either. next time, think about it.
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -0/+2Let me guess. You use Ubuntu.
- etx313, on 06/04/2008, -1/+3Too bad the world will have ended already. Sorry linux, you had a good run. :(
- TheWindBlows, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2I'd prefer a different package management system for a smart phone for a few reasons.
- spydon, on 06/04/2008, -1/+3OpenMoko FTW!
- tripzero, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2I don't give a rat's pooper about whether the iPhone's "mach" kernel is of the slightest resemblance of BSD. A correctly implemented Linux smartphone will be much more open, allowing the end-user to use it how he or she wishes without "jail break" or other such hackery. It should be open in the first place.
Apples iPhone is the antithesis of everything that Linux stands for, and as Indiana Jones says, "who gives a damn" if you think they should be grouped together. - ThantiK, on 06/04/2008, -0/+2Ideas = implementation. They have the same basic concepts.
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -1/+2Desktop? Certainly you don't think of your smart phone as a desktop...
- lolinyerface, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1omg political RaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!
- finkandr, on 06/05/2008, -0/+1Android will pwn all!
- protogenxl, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1How can it be a war if all the platforms have the same kernal?
- inactive, on 06/05/2008, -0/+1* in 1999
- l800LEMMINGS, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1as happy as i am about the increase i would of thought that it would of been more
- HonestAbe, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Shhhh! Don't give them any ideas.
- HonestAbe, on 06/11/2008, -0/+1"Had this has been obscured"
That makes absolutely no sense in this context. You're clearly not getting this.
I use SSH cryptography to keep my ***** secure, but then obscure it as well by using a non-standard port, for instance. In this case, it may have saved me from attacks.
Some hackers realize that a certain brand of lock is vulnerable to a master key, and they know that this brand is used in every few houses in the neighborhood. But if I swap locks and use my garage door to enter my house instead of my front door, they'll try their master key in the front door, fail, and move on. Security through obscurity.
"the exploits would not be discovered until it is too late e.g. Abused by almost every cracker."
That's what happened in this case. The key-based security was actually insecure for almost 2 years before it was noticed. - pbarbosa, on 06/06/2008, -0/+1Yes. Used fedora and suse before, but ubuntu does what i need and it doesn't give me any particular headache (apart from nvidia drivers and some small things).
- melat0nin, on 06/06/2008, -0/+1Um, no. You can't really talk about Linux's 'ideas' without considering some of the ideology (even if you don't subscribe to Stallman's firebrand philosophy). Apple most definitely doesn't share much, if any, of the Linux ideology of openness.
- daftman, on 06/05/2008, -1/+2> And then having all your keys made guessable by a stupid mistake by the package maintainers.
The fact that it is found out by source verification means that it works.
Had this has been obscured, the exploits would not be discovered until it is too late e.g. Abused by almost every cracker. - ZachSka87, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Linux != Unix
Linux != *nix OS by Apple
There's no understatement here.
Also, the choice is not between Linux, Apple, and Microsoft for smartphone OS's. It's a lot more varied than that, with many companies having proprietary OS's on their phones. - tripzero, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Android vs. openmoko vs. Limo? they are all competing to be on your phone. Maybe that's what is meant by "war" ?
- inksmithy, on 06/05/2008, -0/+1Consider it a self fulfilling prophecy. Someday, it will be true. Somewhere....over the rainbow.....
- drag, on 06/04/2008, -0/+1Pretty damn soon.
They are doing the final manufacturing right now.
It goes:
Manufacture --> test --> ship.
Each step takes a while. - adamward1985, on 06/06/2008, -0/+1Article on handy beginners Linux commands:
http://adamstechblog.com/2008/06/05/top-10-linux-c ... - Zounas, on 06/05/2008, -0/+0There's some information that Nokia will bring their first Linux mobile phones in the market probably next year.
- Ademan, on 06/04/2008, -1/+1open moko's switch to Qt has ensured i won't be buying one... might as well get a stupid trolltech greenphone at that price and since they both use Qt anyways... where the hell is my Gtk+ phone?!
- Giga, on 06/06/2008, -0/+0Your post would have been more useful if you actually posted those reasons.
- Ademan, on 06/06/2008, -0/+0I dunno what you're basing that on, but as both an end user and a developer i find gtk+ to be superior to Qt in just about every way. The only thing Qt has on gtk+ is a non-ass 'native' API. IE Qt in C++ is far better than Gtk+ in C (since C is Gtk+'s 'native' language). However the Gtk+ bindings for C++ (a more fair comparison with Qt) is just as nice in my opinion having borrowed the signals and slots concept from Qt. When you consider Gtk+ with libglade vs Qt there's absolutely no comparison, Gtk+ wins hands down from a developers point of view.
As far as from an end user's standpoint, i find Qt applications to be total messes, they're awkward and cluttered(these are just design decisions for the most part, but Qt seems to foster this sort of crap, and Qt's layout system doesn't help either) and just don't suit me, and I find them to be extremely ugly as well.
That's mostly if not all opinion, but at least i substantiated my claim. - inactive, on 06/05/2008, -1/+1Hopefully in a dumpster... GTK isn't great on the desktop, I have no idea why I'd use it on a phone.
- finkandr, on 06/05/2008, -0/+0Screw 23% lets go for at least 50%!
- inksmithy, on 06/05/2008, -0/+0Nah, somehow they managed to get from 1973 to now without picking up a damn thing about computers and how to write operating systems for small devices.
These damn mobile phone manufacturers, why can't they just keep up with the times? - iJessicaRabbit, on 06/04/2008, -2/+2I'm so happy right now!!!
- addicted68098, on 06/05/2008, -1/+1Linux is practically my religion...but will linux alone change the closed phone market?
Just because it is using a open source operating system doesn't give the user any more freedom if the user lacks the proper tools. A Linux phone will probably be no different than an iPhone knowing how things work in the US mobile market. -
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