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- glaroc, on 05/19/2009, -2/+29Only useful sentence in article : "The Gnome panel is replaced by an “Activities” panel and “dock” on the sidebar which displays “Recent docs” and “Application” list minimizes the same way Wordpress 2.7 sidebar panel contracts and expands."
- uzusan, on 05/19/2009, -1/+18Site seems dead. From the Gnome site:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
Screencasts:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Screencasts
Edit:
Google cache caught most of the content: http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:http%3A%2F%2F ... - pingveno, on 05/20/2009, -3/+20What's not mentioned enough in conversations about desktop Linux is how ***** awesome Wobbly Windows is.
- pinchduck, on 05/19/2009, -4/+17Please please please please do not release some half baked piece of krap like your kompetitors.
- jeremymccurdy, on 05/20/2009, -0/+12The article implied that it was going to tell us all of the new things that were going to be implemented in the new version of gnome, it talked about one. If adding one feature is a much bigger change than usual, then the gnome developers need to start thinking a little bigger, either that or the jackass who wrote this "article" needs to be fired for uploading his draft copy of the start of an article.
- jadrian, on 05/20/2009, -0/+8This is out it goes:
"So KDE changed stuff and that was bad.
So I hope Gnome doesn't change a lot.
But seems like it might change quite a bit.
See, it will have a new panel.
It's different. So I hope it's optional.
And this is why I think Gnome's future looks bright."
Lol :D - airstrike, on 05/19/2009, -1/+8http://foo.geektechnica.com/wp-content/uploads/200 ...
What's with the tiny screenshot? - ukblacknight, on 05/19/2009, -1/+7By looking at the screencasts of Gnome Shell in use, I can't say I like the look of it. I love having everything in the Applications menu as it is now, this looks like will display a few applications but you have to click "More..." to see more applications. Anyway, time will tell, this is still very early stages yet, and I'll keep an open mind about it.
- RPGmaster, on 05/20/2009, -0/+6I thought I read somewhere that the GNOME guys are working on making Metacity 3.0 just as good as compiz. I am not sure where though... : /
- inactive, on 05/20/2009, -0/+6Gnome messed up because compiz isnt going to work???? That doesnt really make a whole lot of sense. Gnome and compiz fusion are not the same project, so gnome doesn't need to care about compiz fusion.
I guess i can see where you're coming from, but really, compiz-fusion is already broken as it is. - MrRtd, on 05/20/2009, -0/+6OK, I'll admit I'm a KDE user, I think I started at 3.5.6? Anyway the initial change to 4 took some getting used to, and like everyone else has already mentioned it was missing lots of features. But it has much improved since. Nobody was forced to use it and 3.5.10 is still around. Anyway I'm sort of glad they made the decision to just start fresh with all new code, sometimes it's OK to go back to the drawing board and start fresh.
What Gnome can learn is to not over hype their new release, and call it "beta" for a while longer, just so everyone doesn't freak out, like they did with KDE. - geoken, on 05/20/2009, -0/+6Half the comments in this thread have more content/info than this lame blog post.
- phibit, on 05/20/2009, -0/+5@uzusan thanks for the link to the screencasts, they were very helpful for understanding some of the changes.
Overall, I think these changes are "kinda neat", but they don't look super practical. Seems like these extra features are not well integrated into the desktop, and would damage the flow of things. I was surprised that they scale the visible screen to make space for that (not very pretty) menu.
From what I saw in the screencasts, it seems like compiz does a much better job of handling the window management type stuff than gnome will ever be able to. - irisblaze, on 05/20/2009, -0/+5looks awful, they seem to have ignored everything that was in topaz brainstorm and did the opposite, i hope this won't be how the finished project would look like...
- twiztidsinz, on 05/20/2009, -0/+5They ever going to get around to fixing horizontal icon alignment?
- sanskrtam, on 05/20/2009, -0/+4If the future GNOME completely discard the very GUI like we know of (top panel for applications, system options, etc; bottom panal for workspace, trash bin, etc), then there should be a new desktop environment that has the current GNOME appearance.
An over-extreme makeover of any desktop environments isn't that good. - logic, on 05/20/2009, -0/+4I don't want a new panel. I want GNOME Do ( http://do.davebsd.com/ ) merged into the core, and the old panel to go away. You can't even disable it without a config hack.
- RPGmaster, on 05/20/2009, -0/+4"why dont linux developers spend more time improving other aspects than how it looks?"
Like improving the GUI? You do know this is more then just a new theme? GNOME 3.0 is a total GUI overhaul. - wonderbriefs, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3No U.
- pingveno, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3I just got them so the initial excitement hasn't worn off.
- LostOverThere, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3I heard a similar thing, RPGmaster. Also, GTK3+ will break GTK2 support so it isn't just another "bogged down" update (can anyone say Windows?), also, the way it is implemented will apparently be easy to update to keep it a modern tool kit.
- LostOverThere, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3Agreed, keep it beta for as long as it needs without setting a blind release date. Fully support 2.x as if nothing has changed until GNOME 3.0 is stable. Doing so will hopefully make the transition more smooth.
Well, that's just my opinion anyway. - orb9220, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3Why are they advertising something we won't see for 3 to 5 years. Anybody that has dealt with the Gnome team in the past knows this for the truth.
Checking their geo-strata layers for last 10 years there are like 2 thin layers with big non-growth areas in between. - xv1ncentx, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3It seems like a netbook touch interface, more than the advanced interface that should be.
I don't like it, even if it could be a interesting idea, i think is not well implemented... Sorry, but i need more innovation, everyone is going forward and GNOME is just not showing exciting stuff, i want to get excited again about this project. - srg13, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3You realise that Gnome 3.0 isn't due out for more than a year, and the Gnome Shell (which breaks Compiz at the moment) might not end up actually replacing the panel (but it probably will once it matures)
- inactive, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3"One thing we have learned from KDE4 is that its not a good idea to make drastic change to a desktop environment that the users have been used to for a long time."
I cbf reading any more of the idiots ravings.
The one thing everyone learnt from KDE4 and that the KDE4 devs prepared for was that very large changes need lots of public testing and that beta testing was not sufficient. - wonderbriefs, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3I agree. I personally don't like my menus taking up nearly that much screen real-estate.
- SONYDVDR, on 05/20/2009, -0/+3Look neat!
- disappointed, on 05/20/2009, -0/+2"looks like will display a few applications but you have to click "More..." to see more"
As opposed to clicking "Applications" now, to get menus and submenus?
The Gnome panel is an outdated mess. This looks like an excellent improvement. Success or failure lies in the implementation. - scriptcoder, on 05/20/2009, -0/+2Animus: And what, may I ask, are you doing? You forget that most of these people are donating their time right?
- fatejudger, on 05/20/2009, -5/+7This article is annoying biased, giving Gnome the benefit of the doubt, and outright bashing KDE as an inferior DE. I'm willing to bet that most people who complain about KDE 4 have really only tried 4.0, and decided that it represented KDE 4 as a finished product, despite the pleas of the developers to the contrary. Just stop pretending like you know everything about a DE just because you tried the Kubuntu live cd for 5 minutes.
- johndavidjack, on 05/20/2009, -0/+2I could care less about upgrading gnome. It's fine how it is. I don't use any fancy features. Let's see, I click shortcut buttons, click menus, and change between the desktop panes. I can't really think of anything I really need to be changed. Half of the gnome features I use are put into keyboard shortcuts now anyway...
But given the non-existent content in this blog post, I'm sure there will be something interesting in gnome3. - pingveno, on 05/20/2009, -0/+2Kubuntu has a version of the most recent release that is based on KDE 3.
- Jareth86, on 05/20/2009, -2/+4Lets hope that when GDE3 is released, its not a completely dysfunctional mess like kde4 was (and sadly still somewhat is).
- srg13, on 05/20/2009, -0/+2It's not officially going to replace the panel yet - it's still a very early concept at the moment.
- rpgmakr, on 05/20/2009, -1/+3I didn't like what I saw in that screenshot ;(
- IDcool, on 05/20/2009, -1/+3if that what gnome going to be im going to say goodbye GNOME welcome KDE
- DreadKnight, on 05/20/2009, -1/+3In that future I'm going to switch to KDE for good.
Gnome-shell just throws away the freedom of customization out the window. - hazello, on 05/22/2009, -0/+1What the hell is that?
- christophski, on 05/21/2009, -0/+1I'll just stick with the 2.* branch. Somebody is bound to fork it.
- inactive, on 05/20/2009, -3/+4I used to have them turned on but don't really care anymore. They're not that amazing that its a necessity. At least for me, after a few years it got old.
Scale and Expo are awesome, but I can live without them as well. It all depends on what someone wants, I tend to end up just using the panel to switch between programs and desktops even with the extra features turned on. - christophski, on 05/21/2009, -0/+1why didn't you just click "reply"...
- eugene2k, on 05/20/2009, -1/+2>but why do distros - e.g Kubuntu just ditch KDE 3 before 4 is ready it just doesnt make sense.
What really doesn't make sense is why the KDE devs dropped the beta tag before their product is stable and ready for use. - fiddler616, on 05/20/2009, -0/+1Just half?
- InorganicMatter, on 05/19/2009, -2/+3Hah, they've already screwed the pooch on that. Compiz-fusion is going to be completely broken with the underlying changes in Gnome 3, and there still isn't a solution on the table to make it work.
- SmSpillaz, on 05/20/2009, -0/+1There will be no solution on the table to make it work unless Compiz writes their own shell plugin and uses the gnome api for things like applets.
- oobuntu, on 05/20/2009, -0/+1Reading here http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2008/10/22/494-d ... and here http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest/Windo ... it seems that they are looking to invent something that does what a dock does, but isn't a dock?
- fiddler616, on 05/20/2009, -0/+1It's a more functional dock.
- Peepsalot, on 05/21/2009, -0/+1Works for me
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