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The Fedora Project releases Fedora 9 Beta

redhat.com — The full release notes are available at: http://fedoraproject.org/f9-beta-relnotes

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  • axelilly, on 03/26/2008, -2/+12F9 is going to rock! Can't wait till the final release.
    D/L the beta today.
  • jcannonb, on 03/26/2008, -1/+21I think it is great that Fedora is trying to do more to engage the desktop market place. Fedora/Redhat has always been a Linux staple for me. Its good to have consistent distributions (Fedora, RHEL, CentOS) with the same file and command structures and syntaxes for both home, desktop, and server use. It really does streamline getting to know Linux in the workplace versus the home, and makes its less difficult, considering you don't have to wonder if the executable or configuration file you are looking for is here, or there, or anywhere. Whether you use Fedora at home, or RHEL/CentOS at work, the commands, and structures and syntaxes are consistent...
    • bngsudheer, on 03/26/2008, -0/+7Very true. Fedora/Red Hat/CentOS rules.
    • simpleboy, on 03/26/2008, -6/+3I agree jcannonb but what's the worth of re-submitting the article yourself and commenting on the both posts? Don't confuse the digg users, they don't have enough time to read and digg both posts. Dugg this and buried yours http://digg.com/linux_unix/Fedora_9_Beta_release_a ...
      • brianara3, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0Seriously... the amount of spam/dupes on digg is getting out of control. How is the dupe check not seeing the exact same linked story as a dupe? I buried the other one for good measure also.
    • kazamx, on 03/26/2008, -11/+3Just sucks they use RPM
      • countingthedays, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3What so bad about RPM? I've been using linux for years, but never took the time to form a deep understanding of many things. Is it too proprietary, or just not as good as something else(Debs?)?
      • init100, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5Care to explain why you think that RPM sucks? I hear this claim at least once a week from Ubuntu fanboys, but not one has ever been able to explain *why* it sucks. So until then, I'll assume that it sucks just because it isn't deb, just like Fedora "sucks because it isn't Ubuntu".
        • fangorious, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2the overwhelming majority of these claims are misplaced comparisons of rpm to apt-get rather than dpkg. Not quite understanding that using dpkg instead of apt-get will cause the same problems as using rpm instead of yum or apt-get. The RPM and DEB formats are basically on par these days. For A long time RPM was superior due to having support for signed packages, but since DEB (and dpkg/apt-get) started supporting signed packages, there's very little practical difference. I switched over to Ubuntu a few years ago, but I still think RPM/rpm is superior to DEB/dpkg for mostly superficial reasons. I prefer the interface and presentation of querying the database.
          • init100, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1"the overwhelming majority of these claims are misplaced comparisons of rpm to apt-get rather than dpkg."

            I know, that's why I continue to ask this question every time the "apt is superior to rpm" claim comes up.

            "For A long time RPM was superior due to having support for signed packages, but since DEB (and dpkg/apt-get) started supporting signed packages, there's very little practical difference."

            Another advantage with RPM/Yum has been that it was better when dealing with multiple architectures, such as both i386 and x86_64. Whether this issue still remains is unknown to me though.
      • muep, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3I'd also like to see a good explanation of the differences between the two. I've even created a few packages for both of them, but don't still understand how deb should be a lot superior to RPM.

        I have used Fedora on and off for about a year's total use, and still fail to see how RPM sucks. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I think RPM may actually be quite ok...
  • thecodingstudio, on 03/26/2008, -0/+11screen shots http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/sc ...
    • kovert, on 03/26/2008, -2/+7Those are the most boring screenshots ever. Anyone who has already seen or used Gnome will be saying WHOOPTY-DOO!
      • thecodingstudio, on 03/26/2008, -4/+0It's not the screenshots' fault... that's what Fedora looks like!
      • Kral, on 03/26/2008, -1/+3Not sure why you're getting dugg down - the linked screenshots are essentially just showing plain GNOME.
    • koft, on 03/26/2008, -1/+3+1 dude. Looks like every other gnome setup pretty much. *yawn*
      You're average non technical linux user hardly notices the difference between fedora and ubuntu
      • fangorious, on 03/26/2008, -1/+3I think the differences of selinux and sudo vs su present enough of a difference for non-technical users to notice.
  • fengshaun, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4Fedora 9 Fedora 9, with that Sulphur theme and KDE 4, it ROCKS!!!
    very much appreciated from the fedora guys!!
    • bngsudheer, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4I am very eager to try KDE. I will as soon as Fedora 9 is released.
      • Tyr7BE, on 03/26/2008, -4/+3Why not grab the KDE4 ubuntu variant?
        • kazamx, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I would guess he is waiting for 4.1 like a lot of people.
        • trenchfever, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Because it sucks donkey balls.
        • tehjarvis, on 03/27/2008, -0/+3Because not everyone uses Ubuntu.
        • chousho, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2Because this is a story on Fedora, not Ubuntu.
  • hopecon, on 03/26/2008, -1/+7Just installed it ! so far it look awesome. PackageKit integration is really nice.
  • mrshickadance9, on 03/26/2008, -16/+4the only fedora i care about is indiana jones' fedora
  • SendDerek, on 03/26/2008, -1/+8I'm always impressed with the artwork these guys/gals put together.

    Here's a link to the "Round 3 Final" Artwork:
    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Wav ...
  • visceroth, on 03/26/2008, -2/+2How hard is it to upgrade between the fedora's? (8 -> 9). I'm glad they release a new version but they seem to do this every quarter and really don't feel like rebuilding everything especially when I get a very difficult program to work finally after weeks of trial and error. What do diggers recommend, fresh install, upgrade, or it doesn't matter?
    • vibrokatana, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4I usually do a fresh install but I keep my /home directory since it is on a different partition. I believe you can load up the fc9 repository and do a "yum clean all" && "yum upgrade" and it will update everything. I haven't done that on any installs so I don't know what the success rate of that is.
      • cyberpear, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1only slyghtly more complicated than that; you have to update the repository before running those commands
    • lynx44, on 03/26/2008, -1/+2I've found upgrading to be a huge pain. In a way I loathe new Fedora releases because repos will phase out their builds of packages for the older releases. Last time I had to wipe out my mythbox completely, with all my shows just to upgrade the system. I tried upgrading both from DVD and from Yum and neither worked. I'm excited about a new version, and hopefully the upgrade process will just work this time. Otherwise, I think its somewhat ridiculous to expect people to completely reinstall an OS every 6 months. I thought that's what we were trying to get away from?
      • init100, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Fedora has changed their maintenance policy so that upgrades every six months won't be necessary. Now the EOL for Fedora X is one month after Fedora X+2 is released, i.e. 13 months after release of Fedora X.

        Now you can upgrade every 12 months instead.
      • insertAliasHere, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1For the record, you should put things like that on a separate partition, so if you ever do need to reinstall your OS, you can just remount that partition later and not lose any data.
        • lynx44, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Yeah, thats what I did this last time, but all of the rest of my data is on a logical volume. I'm not sure whether or not the information on this separate logical partition will still be retrievable after I reformat the OS or not?
    • mmcgrath, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Fedora's kind of for early adopters.... You can't please everyone all the time, new packages, bleeding edge technology, it comes with the territory
  • Noctem, on 03/26/2008, -3/+15Fedora is a great project, all in all I think it's a more robust, stable, and innovative distro than Ubuntu. Check this project out that they are working on:

    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OneSecondX
    • aidave, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5I'll try out 9 when it comes out. I was running Fedora 7 for a while, and running Ubuntu 7.1 now. There seems to be alot of great things unique to both distros. Ultimately I like Ubuntu a bit more, because it is a tad more user friendly with apt-get and sudo. However I miss alot of Fedora features. It would be nice to see a kind of collaboration between the two, if thats even possible!
      • cyberpear, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3it's actually Ubuntu 7.10 -- the number after the point represents the month that it was released; october in the case of 7.10
      • tripzero, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2They do collaborate, at least indirectly. Both projects push packages and bug fixes upstream to GNOME, KDE, and other applications that both benefit from. Fedora is now using Upstart developed by Ubuntu, and Ubuntu is using some nice things developed by the Fedora Project. That's the beauty of OSS development: improvements anyone makes also improves everyone else.
    • Tyr7BE, on 03/26/2008, -9/+2I left Fedora for Ubuntu because Fedora was flaky, unstable, and stagnant. I guess it's a matter of perception :)
      • linksus, on 03/26/2008, -1/+4" I left Fedora for Ubuntu because Fedora was flaky, unstable, and stagnant. I guess it's a matter of perception :) " ?
        When did you do this move? Fedora Core 2?
      • init100, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Stagnant? Take a look at this feature list:

        http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/FeatureLi ...

        I'd hardly call that stagnant.
      • hydroxic, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0Agreed. I used FC5 and 6 for quite a while, but I switched to Ubuntu with 7.04 Alpha 4 or something.
        Feisty's support for my laptop was much more solid than FC6's. It was an easier and smoother experience overall.
        I did go back to try F7, nothing special really it seemed. Tried F8, but it wouldn't boot on my machine unfortunately.

        Just downloaded F9 beta, tried to run it in VirtualBox, but it was running terribly. Maybe I'll try out F9 final on a physical machine as there seem to be some nice features on the way.
    • srg13, on 03/27/2008, -2/+2More innovative maybe, but I wouldn't say that it's more robust or stable.

      Ubuntu and Fedora have different goals and different audiences. Fedora is a little more technical, and a lot more bleeding-edge. Ubuntu, on the other hand, is a distro for everybody, and tries to make everything 'just work'.
  • Dylson, on 03/26/2008, -27/+2...and I just dont care.
    • amnezia22, on 03/26/2008, -0/+7and yet you still felt the need to comment
    • plizard, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5then why even go to the page and comment?
    • Dylson, on 03/26/2008, -9/+1Why do linux people get affended so easily? Seriously, I could post that comment anywhere else and nobody would care. Yet, i do it here and people respond. I just dont understand.
      • spyrochaete, on 03/26/2008, -0/+6Here's some more gems from Dylson's last posts. He's a master debater:

        "Your mom."
        "No."
        "Coooooooooooooooool"
        "Oh NELLY!"
        "HI"
        "hi"
        "hi"

        Honestly, Dylson, what do you get out of commenting on Digg? Do you just enjoy reading your own thoughtless comments? Do you get a kick out of seeing your name on someone else's website or something?
        • mmcgrath, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1Sweet burn.
        • Dylson, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1Yes. Also, I would appreciate it if you didn't go through my comments history looking for excuses to slam me you ***** creeper!
          • spyrochaete, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Your recent comment history is one click away. If you're ashamed of your comment history make a better one.
          • Dylson, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Dude, just shut up. This argument is over.
          • digsuxx, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0morons
  • plizard, on 03/26/2008, -16/+3but but i thought the only linux was ubuntu
  • momsshizzle, on 03/26/2008, -27/+1Buried for auto Linsux spam.
  • pyron81, on 03/26/2008, -11/+10If I had to try any distro of linux this would be the one...I have to say they impress me a lot more than the ubuntu crowd.
  • dualaudi, on 03/26/2008, -9/+1didn't fedora 8 just come out a few months ago...
    • init100, on 03/26/2008, -0/+7Didn't Ubuntu 7.10 come out just a few months ago? And they are already talking about 8.04...

      Seriously, both Fedora and Ubuntu use six-months release cycles, with releases timed to happen one month after the corresponding Gnome release.
    • pyxel, on 03/29/2008, -0/+0You are certainly a debian user ;-)
  • spyrochaete, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1I built myself a new PC a couple of months ago and now no linux distros install correctly. My onboard NIC is never detected so I can't update my drivers (easily enough). I'll give Fedora 9 a try when it goes gold but I hope it's not a huge hassle. Linux seems to have a history of punishing people with new hardware.
    • init100, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Next time, try a motherboard with an Intel chipset and a nVidia graphics card. This has worked well for me for a long time.
      • spyrochaete, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I have an nVidia 8800GT and a motherboard with an Intel P35 chipset. The distro I tried was Ubuntu 7.10. This was about 2 months ago.
    • trenchfever, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Because you didn't do your homework.
      • spyrochaete, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1There was an unreasonable amount of homework and the professors were snobby so I decided not to change majors.
  • Pixelpaws, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Question here from someone who is interested in eventually switching over to Linux... What advantages (and/or disadvantages) does Fedora have compared to Ubuntu? Also, as someone who's never run Linux, what should I be wary of?
    • mmcgrath, on 03/26/2008, -5/+5Thats like asking "whats the advantages of a hammer over a screwdriver" They're different tools for different jobs. As someone who's never run linux. I'd suggest using a live CD/DVD. Both Fedora and Ubuntu have them. No risk to you because you don't have to install it to get a taste of it and if you like what you see, then you can install.
      • stangy, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2I don't know if thats really an accurate comparision. Ubuntu and Fedora are very similar actually. They use most of the same components but just put together in a slightly different way. Its like deciding between a Ford or a Chevy.
        • linksus, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5Humm, Yes your right. Fedora and Ubuntu are the same ( GUI wise.. ) Ubuntu go around showing, look at our new clock applet and look at the new network manager .. However if you check Fedora. Its exactly the same! Mainly because they both use the same version of Gnome. the one main thing thats different is teh fact that fedoa is Redhat based.. and Ubuntu is Debian.. But TBh yes. they are the same lol. I personally prefer fedora anyway as i use Centos and redhat5 on servers.. So its the same no matter what machine i use.
      • TheSpook, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2It's more of a Granny Smith vs. Golden Delicious comparison than an apples to oranges comparison.
    • wattersm, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3They're about the same.
    • digsuxx, on 03/27/2008, -1/+0good luck with bash.
  • jamesmcginnis, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4I've been using ubuntu (dual both with XP) for a while now. Would anyone recommend switching to Fedora and what advantages whould it have over ubuntu.
    P.S.
    I prefer gnome (at the moment) to KDE
    • Remmy, on 03/26/2008, -1/+8Fedora is incredible. I don't want to put Ubuntu down as they do a great job of making Linux usable for the newcomer, but Fedora is just put together a heck of a lot better. You'll also learn a heck of a lot more about Linux using it. I'd grab the LiveCD and try it out. No commitment that way.
    • mmcgrath, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5If you want the latest versions of the software you run then Fedora will beat Ubuntu hands down. If thats not important to you then its a wash. They both have live CD's though so don't take my word for it, try them both :)
    • linksus, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Not putting ubuntu down either.. I would recommend Fedora to any user that has used linux before. If your new. Stick to ubuntu. If your not new. Go with Fedora.
  • DiggerT, on 03/26/2008, -0/+5Been waiting for a quality distro that has KDE as a first class citizen. openSUSE was begining to put me off, guess this is gonna be my next distro.
    • oomfoofoo, on 03/26/2008, -3/+2You can forget about KDE being a first-class citizen in Fedora 9. It doesn't matter that it's the new KDE, from the testing I've done, it looks like KDE users will get the shaft again. That's the main reason I don't use Fedora anymore. You'd be better off using a good distro like Arch w/ KDEmod or openSUSE, those two are great KDE experiences.
      • mmcgrath, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Fedora does have a KDE sig that you could join to make it better if you were so inclined. I think you'll find more and more that with Fedora's new leader the focus is going to be on the community itself, bringing people and talents together to work on a common goal.

        http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
        • oomfoofoo, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1If this SIG you talk about can unwrap KDE from Gnome so I don't have to install most of Gnome just to get KDE, then I would consider joining.
  • GodGiven42, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5In my opinion Fedora is better than Ubuntu. Functionality wise I find it much nicer and there is no comparison between the two when it comes to visuals. Fedora is so damn pretty.
    • srg13, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1You judge distros by their default themes?
  • Predater, on 03/26/2008, -0/+16Firefox 3 Beta 5? When did that come out?
  • killdeer03, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1The YUM repository is probably the greatest thing on earth, but the art work is always a site to behold.
  • Hax0rJimDuggan, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1Fedora 9 Beta can also be... A HAT!
  • supertones, on 03/26/2008, -5/+2There are very nice things about fedora, but I am so tied to apt/dpkg in Debian that I have to stay with Ubuntu.
    • koft, on 03/26/2008, -1/+5Whats keeping you tied to apt? From my experience in using netbsd/freebsd/ubuntu/fedora, the package manager to me is irrelevant. I want something, they all seem to effortsly get the job done installing, removing and updating.
      • javaroast, on 03/26/2008, -0/+4Koft, thanks for this comment. Most insight I've seen in awhile and you are exactly 100% correct. As long as the package manager installs, removes and updates without hassle it will work for me.
  • Armstrong3, on 03/26/2008, -15/+2Looks like OSX, whats the point? just get osx and all the things that come with it. like programs.
    • nickert0n, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2I dont see what you did there, you sir are an idiot
    • specialK16, on 03/26/2008, -1/+1What the hell happened here? Since yesterday I've only seen waves and waves of apple fags posting in digg.
  • speel, on 03/26/2008, -6/+1Now if they only move over to .deb packaging
    • init100, on 03/26/2008, -2/+1Or Debian, Ubuntu and the others move over to RPM packaging.
      • init100, on 03/26/2008, -0/+2Well, I expected it to be dugg down by the sensitive Ubuntu crowd. It was a joke, aimed at those who never fail to claim that deb is far superior to rpm, but always fail to explain *why* deb is superior to rpm.
        • Buu700, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1Yeah. I don't really know much about the two to be honest, so I can't say which is better, but is there any specific reason that Fedora/RedHat has such small repositories in comparison to Ubuntu/Debian? That's the only thing that's keeping me away from Fedora (I'll still test it (torrenting x86_64 LiveDVD now), but for general use I'd prefer to have larger repos). Otherwise it seems great.
  • lesface, on 03/26/2008, -5/+2gentoo ftw
  • PoopStick, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1I just hope FireStarter will work like it use to.
  • bincoder, on 03/26/2008, -7/+4I would love to switch to linux. I've tried and tried all distributions that exist. They all look 'clunky' as far as graphics goes, simple things like window sliders work once then dont work at all (using tightVNC written for the one im on now) colors are off using wine, or just on firefox, and this is the biggest thing I hate, No linux is capable of detecting and using a simple SB16 soundcard out of box. That takes weeks? of research and trial and error and then I only can get it to work on mandriva 2006. Forget 2008, sound is impossible. All versions of windoze works perfectly, the first time, wo tinkering with my sound card. Does Redhat work with SB16? I dont want to wait for the download to try it since no others do, and Redhat prolly doesn't either. Can't a linux be made that can actually play sound without me having to spend years getting a masters in computer science to install each version of linux? Windows may suck, but at least I can listen to music on it. Linux developers should drop anything involving pretty desktops and just make the thing work. Fix the simple things, save 3d cube desktops for some other day.
    • srg13, on 03/27/2008, -0/+2"No linux is capable of detecting and using a simple SB16 soundcard out of box."

      It's really not hard to configure - I did it with my old computer on a few different distros. It should be as easy as adding 'snd-sb16' (no quotes) to /etc/modules. But more importantly, are you sure Windows detect the card? It didn't with mine, and it took me longer to work out how to get it working there!

      Try a PCI card, or onboard sound and it will just work.
  • TimeLincoln, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1How fast do they develop these? Because I still have Fedora Core 5 on my PS3.
    • nero147, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0Fedora is actually on a fairly regular release schedule. The put out a new stable release every six weeks. Kudos to Redhat for helping with the development required for something that strict. I've actually stopped using a couple of different distributions just because they didn't put out new releases often enough to keep up with emerging trends, so the out of box experience was a little lacking.
    • srg13, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I remember downloading Fedora Core 5 when it was just released two years ago.
  • inspireology, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1Fedora is a really great looking distro, from the icons to the boot screen and just the general polish. It is quite nice to boot in to something that looks so good by default.
  • djchester, on 03/26/2008, -0/+3Best new feature: "Support for creating and installing to encrypted filesystems"
  • pyrates, on 03/26/2008, -0/+1hmm redhat 9 -> fedora 1. Now we got fedora 9 -> ???. I wonder what the next version of this distro will be named.
    • ianweller, on 03/27/2008, -0/+0the current plan is for it to be named fedora 10.
  • voidstar, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1For a lot of other neat stuff Fedora is doing, check out https://fedorahosted.org/

    That's just some of a lot of yum-installable neatness for Fedora and EPEL (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL)
  • lonniebiz, on 03/27/2008, -0/+1I like Fedora, but currently use Ubuntu for desktop and Fedora for a server.

    One thing that made me mad when I installed Fedora 5 back in the day, is that I installed xmms. Later, I did an update and Fedora took it off without asking me because it somehow violated a license of some kind (mp3 related if I remember correctly).

    Is anyone aware of this practice with Fedora?
    Does Fedora still take such liberty during updates? Ubuntu updates have never uninstalled something I installed previously (that I'm aware of). I'm open to trying Fedora again; I'd like my desktop and server to be the same distribution if they've stopped doing this practice.
    • mwiriadi, on 04/05/2008, -0/+1I have never had this happen to me ever.
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