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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -86/+186These effects are too carried away. I prefer more subtile and polished 3D effects like Vista's.
- PuffyC, on 10/12/2007, -53/+152Sorry, instant bury for the prepubescent use of "M$". That's about as clever as George Lopez.
- MaDoG2020, on 10/12/2007, -28/+113hey ppl .. I'm sorry I wanted to submit this in vids, I'm new to digg .... anyway I hope u enjoy this
- shakin, on 10/12/2007, -5/+85"These effects are too carried away. I prefer more subtile and polished 3D effects like Vista's."
It's unfortunate that everyone who wants to show off Beryl will do so using really flashy effects. I guess it makes for a more memorable video, but it's not really that nice to use.
By default Beryl does not use things like burning windows or 3D windows that pop off the desktop when you rotate the cube or windows that become transparent when you move them. By default windows fade in and out when you create and close them and have a reasonable minimize and maximize effect (though I think they should speed up that effect by default). The rotating cube isn't at all distracting because it's fast. Its main purpose is to give a spacial feel to virtual desktops and it's very successful at that.
The first thing I do when installing Beryl is change the minimize the maximize effects to 'zoom' and speed up all animations so they take the least amount of time possible. I think Beryl gives the user a much better feel than either Vista or OS X does. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -7/+63The scrollbar to your right makes boring articles magically disappear in seconds! No commenting required....
- mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -17/+72Yay! Yet another Beryl article on digg....we get the idea, stop the ***** spam. I run Ubuntu with Beryl and it's great but all the eye candy in the world can't let me run whatever games/software I want on Linux and have hardware support for all my peripherals/accessories out of the box.
Trust me, as a Beryl user, it's pure eye candy and it gets old after a while. - CPUGUy, on 10/12/2007, -35/+85How exactly does Beryl make Aero look like a cheap toy?
the DWM in WIndows can handle these types of a effects plus more. There is really nothing special here.
Just because these types of cheesey effects aren't part of Vista doesn't mean they can't easily be done.
Wait for Stardock to release WindowFX (or equivelant) for Vista and you can have all these cheesey effects. - TonyCubed, on 10/12/2007, -15/+65I've used XGL, and it was nice to play with for another 5 minutes, then I started turning features off because it was pissing me off.
- killtherat, on 10/12/2007, -18/+67"These effects are too carried away. I prefer more subtile and polished 3D effects like Vista's."
Then customize it that way. Remember, the Microsoft mantra is 'You will do it our way'. The Linux mantra is 'You can customize the living sh*t out of everything'. - schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -11/+57That's an awesome new video... it packs a lot of the latest stuff which is in the nightly. Here's a bit more that's new and isn't shown in the video:
Cool New Beryl Feature: Ring Window Switcher (video)
http://justanothertechblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/cool-new-beryl-feature-ring-window.html
Beryl's new 3D animations!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEDtRV1fHoU - neko, on 10/12/2007, -1/+37Not bad... personally, I think the fireworks on closing a window is a bit excessive - certainly if you look at the exploding tooltips in the last few seconds. I prefer the ~1sec fast fade in/out, it's really nice on the eyes.
But then, that's the awesome thing, you can have as much or as little as you want. The interface can be adapted to the user, not the other way around. - plamoni, on 10/12/2007, -20/+55It's a great, short, demo of what beryl can do. Probably the best demo I've seen so far.
Everyone has been talking about Vista and the "cool new 3d stuff" associated with it. Then I whip out my laptop and show them beryl and all the sudden everyone wants to switch to linux :-) - SteelFrog, on 10/12/2007, -16/+47Nothing makes you 133t0r than writing the Microsoft initials with a dollar sign.
- cronot, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30To all those people claiming that Vista has the infrastructure necessary to do all the stuff Beryl+XGL/AIGLX currently does, that it is just a matter of some external program provide that functionality in the future: You're all correct.
However, let me point out two things about Beryl and the whole software behind it (including Linux itself):
- It's free: You don't have to pay $200+ to get all that goodness (and probably a little more for the program that would provide the extra effects);
- It doesn't require a mid/high-end video card (which would burn at least some $200 more in your pocket).
While they both compare more or less equally on a technical level (I'm talking about the eye-candy here), on the whole I think Beryl wins, if you add a little more perspective to the this comparison. And from the bad reviews that have been sprawling on Vista, I think it's not getting any better soon. - fishbert, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27Like DOS?
(punch cards are teh roxor) - malice8691, on 10/12/2007, -3/+26I would be totally down with Linux if I wasnt such a gamer.
- Shirokun, on 10/12/2007, -7/+29@calande
You can completely customize Beryl... - Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -22/+44Aero is part of a framework that can be made to do the same pointless crap as Beryl. FFS.
- geoken, on 10/12/2007, -8/+29"But then, that's the awesome thing, you can have as much or as little as you want. The interface can be adapted to the user, not the other way around."
Isn't that the exact same as Vista, where by default you get almost no plugins (just the basic frame work and a few effects)? Like beryl, aero is getting user/community created plugins. The ring switcher people are talking about has been a plugin for aero for a few weeks. There is also a scale/expose type plugin. - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -6/+27Sweet video. schestowitz, I like those ones as well.
The Linux desktop software has been making leaps and bounds lately. The effects are magnificent, and over all, it's just cool to look at.
The only thing that kind of bothers me about this stuff is, it's not always easy to get working. We need a simple installation solution. Sure, it's easy enough for me to do it, and probably a lot of the people here, but probably not so much for the new Linux user. Although, maybe thing have changed since the first few times I'd set it up. - snurfle, on 10/12/2007, -14/+33Like Vista?
- chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28what about $ONY?
that's 1337r - brundlefly76, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19I have a dual-boot Vista Ultimate/OpenSuse 10.2 beryl install, and I appreciate both approaches.
Beryl is fun to play with, but 99% of the features dont add to usability in any way, and most of them are simply obnoxious annoyances in daily work.
For example, when I need to get to another desktop, I just want to *be there*, I dont want take a 3d trip there, thats actually just a delay imho.
My 'working' feature set in Beryl is actually pretty much similar to Vista's Aero or OSX defaults.
Windows fade and zoom in and zoom out, but they sure as hell dont wobble, flow like water into the panel, rotate on a cube or have snow faliing on them. - luckyllama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+21There's also a magical 'X' button that turns every boring read into a land of magical elves and lovable gnomes. Look for this amazing feature in the top right hand corner of your browser. One click happiness.
- Jimboe1337, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Marked as Inaccurate. Author of the video says it has different specs:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200
GeForce 7900GT 256MB
2GB DDR-Dual-Channel RAM
250GB SATA HDD
1680x1050 32bit
Operating system is Ubuntu Edgy Eft, Window Manager is Beryl 0.1.3 and NVIDIA beta driver as current in Dec 2006.
That is not an "Old" PC - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16Nothing. People are already making similar plug-ins for Vista.
- snurfle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13It takes about 3 minutes from the time you think "I want to get that." until the first window minimizes in a puff of flame and smoke.
- ejdmoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17What's stopping someone from programming through the new APIs in Vista to achieve this? From my understanding, the new DWM is pretty flexible.
- kcpwnsgman, on 10/12/2007, -10/+22while it looks cool, I still don't think that it makes Aero look cheap, and an earlier version was posted on digg, also it doesn't mean that a fancy graphical engine is useful.
also, the use of "M$" will have to make me bury this. - Homunculiheaded, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I know, each Beryl article I see makes me want to switch to fluxbox. I like the eye candy, but I'm starting to worry about eye diabetes now.
- HarryBauzonia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12It's the other way around buddy. Aero is the copy.
- HalBSure, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14Like OS2/Warp?
- MalDON, on 10/12/2007, -19/+29You mean like apple?
- halik, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Tagged as lame. Sorry, but dumb headlines and 'micro$oft' is not acceptable.
- dschep, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Uh. to those mentioning there will be free addons for usage with aero, who cares, his point is still valid because you have to pay for Windows Vista to be able to use it and that costs significantly more than a GNULinux install.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9On four year old hardware?
- Holyfool19, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16First: Aero is not cheap, at all
Second: The exploding/multicolor burning when you close a window, now that's Toy-like. - kodek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"I've seen some absolutely amazing proof-of-concept designs on MSDN in the past few months."
Would you mind linking to one? I'd really like to see them. Honestly. I do. (not being sarcastic) - geoken, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8"Would you mind linking to one? I'd really like to see them. Honestly. I do. (not being sarcastic)"
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=116327
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=266036
http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=214738 - libertao, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11I guess I'm in the wrong crowd but jeez, I just want to switch windows, I don't need a circus fireworks display. I just don't see any practical improvement whatsoever for myself with these new OS's. I don't tend to have three videos playing at the same time that I need to switch back and forth between!
- Lamtd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Yeah, it certainly looks nice, but I didn't see anything to back up the "it's not just eye candy !" assertion.
- subhuman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9http://www.beryl-project.org
- Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11The rotating cube for virtual desktops is still the best thing about any of these compositors.
It actually makes working with them far better. You can keep the rest of the effects though. I think SLED 10's default XGL setup is the best for usuability so far. - mlw4428, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Uh...most of the time when projects fork you usually either have the lead of the fork or a dev on the fork working with the original software giving back to it. You don't see Windows and Mac doing that such is the life of the ***** that is closed source software.
- Aninhumer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You mean like BeOS?
- muppethouse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Actually, it is within the reach of a normal user to set this up. There are great instructions on the Beryl wiki, and you don't need an expensive video card. Actually it works just fine with an Intel built-in video card with shared memory.
- gharding, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Yeah.. how many times to do we have to see a big spinning desktop cube. That seems like the only somewhat-useful feature.
- Altotus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Actually, I'm guessing that Aero probably copied Compiz and Beryl rather than the other way around. At least the beginnings of the GL-based compositing window managers with these effects were demoed in 2003-2004. They didn't really take off until late-2005 to early-2006 and weren't generally included as part of major distributions until mid-2006.
The problem about these videos is that they are all eye-candy, but each shows only the most eye-catching of the features and leaves most everything else out. Worse, they are all screencasts recorded on the self-same machine, so the low frame-rates and low quality of the video don't do them justice. And on top of that, you don't get a decent feel for how snappy and how little CPU resources it takes up.
I've a 1GHz/384M P3 laptop with a UXGA displayand an old NVidia chipset that I installed OpenSUSE w/ Beryl+AIGLX on to see it myself. Frankly, it's quite astonishing to me that it worked, much less worked so well. So, yes, it does make Vista look ilke a toy in comparison, but these videos aren't effective in communicating that. - mercurysquad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8You guys.......
I'm posting this AGAIN, in case someone else is misled into following those "bizarre command lines"
HOW TO INSTALL BERYL IN TWO STEPS WITHOUT TOUCHING THE COMMANDLINE
STEP 1
System > Administration > Software Sources > Third Party > Add
Type: deb http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/ edgy main
(Replace edgy with dapper or feisty, whichever ubuntu you are using)
Click OK and then Reload.
STEP 2
System > Administration > Synaptic Package Manager > Search (on toolbar) > Type beryl > OK
Then double click "beryl" from the list and click Apply (toolbar)
THAT IS ALL.
Beryl is now installed. If you want extra themes for the window borders, search for emerald-themes in Synaptic and double-click, Apply.
TO START BERYL
System > Preferences > Sessions > Startup > Add > command is beryl-manager
Then just log out and log back in. A new icon will show up near the clock. Right click > Select Window Manager > Beryl
Enjoy. - NewChar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Like *insert OS here*?
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