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- schestowitz, on 12/25/2007, -2/+55As many people would say, "try both."
There's no better/best DE (the same goes for distros). People are different. Try both and see which one you like better. The Portland project will lead to better convergence, so moving from one to another will be even easier. The whole argument about fragmentation is overblown. - cyberpope, on 12/25/2007, -4/+33What, no Xfce love?
- celkin, on 12/25/2007, -23/+49Digg me WAY down.
- tolbs, on 12/25/2007, -1/+22The great thing about Linux is that we can even have the Gnome vs KDE argument. Any way you look at it, it's up to you which you choose to use! If you don't like either, there is busybox, enlightenment, xfce, and if you don't like any of those, I suppose you could start your own :P.
- Noctem, on 12/25/2007, -0/+19It's 42, actually.
- tolbs, on 12/25/2007, -1/+18I bought a Mac Book Pro...I tried OS X like you suggested, really loved it for about a year or two, but I've recently found myself going back to Linux. They've really caught up in the eye candy department, and there's so much more freedom to do things your way. Nothing against OS X, I'm just fed up with being locked in. Different strokes I 'spose.
- spkthed, on 12/25/2007, -5/+20Linus sure has some strong words to say against Gnome.
- forrondur, on 12/25/2007, -6/+20KDE has (almost) all the killer apps, therefore it's better - KDevelop, K3b, KTorrent, Amarok, Konqueror (with integrated KGet and Akregator), Kopete, Kdenlive, Yakuake...
GTK open/save dialogs are horrible (although it doesn't really matter)
KDE is also faster and it's way easier to code with Qt than with GTK (or gtkmm, to compare in the same language) - spkthed, on 12/25/2007, -1/+14https://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/deskt ...
- adolfojp, on 12/25/2007, -4/+17Merry Christmas celkin!
- MattBD, on 12/25/2007, -0/+12Definitely. I think the choice of desktops is one of the major strengths of Linux - KDE is a good choice for power users, GNOME is better for more casual users, as well as XFCE or Enlightenment for slower computers or people who just want a really fast computer.
You haven't got that kind of choice in Windows or OS X. - inactive, on 12/25/2007, -0/+11 That's how i see it...And I have tried both...
- andrewtheart, on 12/25/2007, -8/+19I definitely prefer KDE for a variety of reasons - mostly, because it appears to have a ton more features than GNOME will ever have. Someone care to correct me?
- superyounan1, on 12/25/2007, -0/+10you don't need a guide, just make yourself use it for a day or two
- Rolamoto, on 12/25/2007, -0/+10I'd dual-boot OS X and Linux, but that's just me.
- blizzok, on 12/25/2007, -2/+12Once Enlightenment .17 is fully functional things are going to get even more tricky. The releases out even now blow me away. KDE4 will put gnome in it's place too. the 39% speed boost from KDE3 is ridiculously amazing, along with the eye candy and whatnot.
- adolfojp, on 12/25/2007, -0/+10Because some people like to avoid being locked into a specific brand of hardware?
- skyshock1, on 12/25/2007, -2/+11He's just one guy though. I happen to disagree with him. I rather like Gnome. And from the recent live CD I tried out with KDE 4, I don't think I'm going to like that much either. It's nice having options you know.
- andrewtheart, on 12/25/2007, -1/+10Fortunately, Ubuntu is definitely filling that gap. But for the power user and people who seriously want to delve deep into intricate commands, complex operating system principles, and real customization, choice is a very good thing, and Linux provides here more than any other operating system out there.
- MattBD, on 12/25/2007, -0/+8I seriously doubt that Macs have the best security of any OS - I thought Open BSD was the world's most secure OS, and I've certainly not heard anything about Linux being any less secure than OS X. Besides, Linux will run on virtually anything and most distros are free to download so for someone thinking of dumping Windows, it's a much better idea to try Linux before you even think about getting a Mac.
Don't get me wrong, I think OS X is a good OS, but I really don't like the desktop. I'm a KDE man through and through. That, and I dumped Windows to escape vendor lock-in more than anything else, so it'd be pointless me switching to OS X. - SoopahMan, on 12/25/2007, -3/+11I actually view the Gnome vs KDE vs Enlightenment, VI vs Emacs (they both suck), Ubuntu vs Red Hat vs Suse vs Arc vs Lindows vs... etc debate as a big part of why Linux isn't on most users' desktops yet. Most users don't view a computer as a pile of technical details to sort out - they view it as something that sits there waiting for them to browse the Web. They aren't interested in a detailed discussion of the merits of windowing systems and OS principles - they just want a box that does all the things they ask it to, or at least survives the worst things they do to it.
The Linux community needs to settle on one mix, and get it to that "Do anything" scenario. Users need to be able to go to a store and say "I want a Linux machine" and count on that meaning the same thing as when another user goes to a different store and says the same thing, the way Windows is right now. It looks like Ubuntu/Gnome is becoming that choice with Dell's recent entry into the market, which seems like a good mix for most users. So be it - now let's get Ubuntu up to that "does anything" level - like no need for the user to understand sudo, or worry about a hacker aliasing basic commands. - sumguy231, on 12/25/2007, -2/+9No, Vista somehow managed to be bloated WITHOUT all the nice features that KDE has.
- GrantRobertson, on 12/25/2007, -1/+8As an old Windows pro who is looking into Linux but who doesn't have the time or energy to "just try everything" as many Linux people advise, I found this article well written and informative. We need more high quality reporting like this for Windows users who may not be quite willing to "flip that switch" yet. Thanks for a good read.
- jellygraph, on 12/26/2007, -1/+8Gnome for a dumbed down experience. Less configurable, works a bit odd, choices in GUI for some windows can sometimes become downright bizarre and frustrating (save dialog anyone?), but on the whole, gnome works fine... you just got to get used to its quirks
kde, works as advertised. easy to use for windows users, easy to use for novice users, powerful for advanced users, but can be complex for a computer user who thinks he is smart but isn't. can be a bit flaky on occasions, but that should be fixed in kde 4 now
i generally think kde is the smarter choice, but gnome works just fine. i only use it because it comes as default in linux mint and i'm waiting for kde 4 - Jaymoon, on 12/25/2007, -0/+6I keep hearing this "KDE has more features"... and?
Every time I use a KDE application in my Gnome environment, it throws me off completely since there are SOOO many menus and buttons, and options, that aren't really that productive to an average person.
Yeah, it's nice that I can move around my toolbars and toolbar buttons in any program... But 99% of the time, just simply displaying every button and toolbar to begin with is just fine. - fotoman, on 12/25/2007, -0/+6Well, seeing as I've been using KDE since I first compiled it for my Sparc 20 in 1998....I tend to vote for KDE :)
As for the apps thing... I use KDE and Gnome apps, doesn't really matter: Kontact, Amarok, K3B, GQview, gFTP, KMplayer, etc, etc. But as for the base window manager, KDE has always just been a better choice for me.
Oh, and for the knocks about KDE being a ripoff of windos...umm...have you used KDE? I'd say KDE is closer to CDE, which has been out for a lot longer than Win95 has, except it works better than CDE. Don't really see a lot of virtual desktops on those windows systems. Had those since 1994. - tian2992, on 12/25/2007, -8/+14Well, altough many people like GNOME, I love KDE. It's more packed with features...
you know, "if there is a blank, there can be a feature"... - grimward, on 12/25/2007, -0/+5As others have said,(SoopahMan in particular) this is a symptom of how the linux world is both a niched enviroment and a common held together community, it's interesting to see people that argue that linux is the best alternative bicker within their own ranks about what ***** TEXT EDITOR is the best!
And I again fully agree with SoopahMan's sentiments in that the linux community should finally go that final mile and conquer the desktop by making an easy to use , well documented (F1 Accessible!) common distro that has the most powerful and easy to use applications that linux has to offer and make these integrated (read: preinstalled) into the OS. Then to make us gamers STFU, they could also get some truly kick ass games on that platform as well, or make them easily downloadable. AND MAKE THE CONSOLE AN OPTION, NOT A MUST. (yes, this needs to be said in caps, because all linux nerds seem to think that normal people want to poke the OS via archaic console commands) So come on already linux people, dazzle us if you can :D - Jaymoon, on 12/25/2007, -0/+5Opera has no thumbnails either, along with Epiphany as well.
Konquerer does however... - armo, on 12/26/2007, -0/+5I hope that was sarcasm
Linux has nothing unpatched in 2007 and nothing highly critical
http://secunia.com/product/2719/?task=statistics_2 ...
OS X has 23% unpatched and 42% highly critical
http://secunia.com/product/96/?task=statistics_200 ... - renegadeafk, on 12/25/2007, -9/+14And KDE has an incredibly inconsistent bulky UI with options scattered everywhere.
- MattBD, on 12/25/2007, -0/+5I use KDE but I have never liked Kopete - I prefer Pidgin. Although I mostly agree with you - nothing in Gnome can match Konqueror or Amarok, and Konsole is definitely a better program than the Gnome Terminal.
- WorldGroove, on 12/25/2007, -0/+4http://seerofsouls.com/gallery/displayimage.php?al ...
Man, you don't even know how much I like that desktop... but for the life of me, can *never* get it to work properly. Supposedly, that screenshot above is the default(more-or-less), but I don't see anything like that when I try it. I just get a greyish looking thing with no taskbars. If I could get enlightenment to actually work, it would easily be my desktop. Then add on Compiz/Beryl...and my desktop would be out of this world. - inactive, on 12/25/2007, -3/+7I prefer GNOME because I tried KDE (under PCLinuxOS2007) and it was just too slow compared to GNOME (at least at the time) on my old laptop. I also got accustomed to the simplicity of GNOME and I've been able to pretty much customize it how I want anyway. It does what it needs to do =)
- skyshock1, on 12/25/2007, -2/+6No *-box love either? Fluxbox is pretty damn slick once configured.
- MattBD, on 12/25/2007, -0/+4I know that it uses Enlightenment, but in gOS it is very different to a vanilla Enlightenment desktop when I've tried it in Ubuntu.
- antitab, on 12/25/2007, -0/+4"The gOS desktop"
It has a name, you know :|
http://enlightenment.org/ - 3210, on 12/25/2007, -3/+7Fluxbox for the win. I personally love its minimalism.
- baalzebub, on 12/25/2007, -2/+6plenty of life left in kde-3.5.x and by the time kde-3.5.x needs to be retired i am sure the kde developers will have kde-4.x polished up and working great...
- meteorain, on 12/25/2007, -2/+6Yup, I also agree with you. A couple of years ago I swithced to GNOME to give it a spin but I found myself using only KDE apps (Amarok, Digikam, Konqueror, Konsole... also Kate is way better than gedit) so I switched back to KDE and never looked back.
- krebcycle, on 12/25/2007, -0/+3it's also not an operating system, these comments are meaningless
- krebcycle, on 12/25/2007, -0/+3hitchhikers > illuminati
- redxxx, on 12/26/2007, -0/+3Or do something to fix it, if you actually think it is a problem.
- inactive, on 12/26/2007, -0/+3Get over it.
- kyrre, on 12/26/2007, -0/+3As Jaymoon says. Not a Firefox problem. I use Epiphany. There are no thumbnails. Though I never figured that was a problem until the Internet told me it was.
- courtjester555, on 12/26/2007, -0/+3Fluxbox is not a desktop environment...it's a window manager
- courtjester555, on 12/26/2007, -0/+3Well, Xfce is pretty good if you have a lower-end or older system, but it's not a desktop environment in the same vein as GNOME or KDE. Xfce is kind of a sophisticated window manager (or a simplified desktop environment, depending on your perspective).
- icechen1, on 12/25/2007, -0/+3where?
- armo, on 12/26/2007, -0/+3Seems like double standards there as KDE is programmed predominantly in C++ and GNOME in C ;)
- kelvie, on 12/25/2007, -0/+3Maybe it's different for you, but whenever I help people switch to linux (invariably Ubuntu, running GNOME, despite still using KDE on all of my boxes since forever), their main gripe is with gaim/pidgin.
They either want to change the fonts, or want better MSN support, and either way it ends up with them installing kopete. This may be different for those of you in the states who almost all use AIM :p -
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