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- schestowitz, on 10/21/2007, -5/+47Rest assured it goes both ways. You become accustomed to an app/process and when switching platforms (even from Linux to OS X) you miss many things. Never judge a platform by this initial craving for features when you will, in fact, over time, find features you never had in your previous platform.
- teadrinker, on 10/19/2007, -2/+42Running Gentoo on an MBP here, so I guess I can voice my opinion.
1. Dashboard is missing. Gapplets and Superkaramba can do something similar, but Dashboard is definitely superior.
2. Terminal is my answer :)
3. Pidgin is fine. It is true that it lacks notification by default, but I believe there is a plugin that does this.
4. GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus, LaTeX are fine for me.
5. GVIM is ok for what I do. There is also eclipse, etc...
6. Never use a dictionary myself.
7. Quicktime sucked!!! I use mplayer and vlc even in OSX.
8. Bluetooth is a pain in both OSX and Linux. Sync is easier in OSX, as vendors generally code for it.
9. Agree. Although the only place I need spell checking is in the browser. Ispell is good enough for latex.
10. Sorry. My trackpad works about the same in OSX and Linux. Including the two-finger scroll. :) The only thing I wish I could do is increase vertical sensitivity separately from horizontal. - ptFoe, on 10/19/2007, -4/+28Totem with xine backend , mplayer both own quicktime.
As for the dashboard using screenlets & compiz-fusion you can get a similar effect - inactive, on 10/19/2007, -8/+291) Compiz Fusion.
2) WINE (even if there are pots out, WINE'll still work best on Linux)
3) Central Package Management
4) Gnome (KDE's alright, but I've always thought Gnome looked and felt sleeker)
5) Constant updates and feature improvements
6) The community
7) Open Source Software (Yes, Darwin's open source. Aqua, along with all the other parts of OS X, is not)
8) MythTV
9) The ability to run without a TPM chip
10) The thickness of my wallet. - aaronm67, on 10/19/2007, -3/+20Try switching to KDE, which solves most of those problems.
1) There isn't a dashboard for KDE, though widgets are supported for KDE4, and you have the option of creating a dashboard-like desktop.
2)Katapult Fast Track, though a MUCH better launcher is coming with KDE4
3)Kopete = well integrated IM client. Its a very different interface from Pidgin, but it supports all the major protocols, and doesn't take long to get used to.
4)No fix for this, you could try running Photoshop in Wine, though it doesn't work that well. Gimp fits my needs, though the photo editing I do is nowhere near professional.
5)Kate supports a file browser, though you should learn Vim. It's a better text editor
6)Dictionary - I really don't know about this one, I don't really look things up in a dictionary that often.
7)Kaffiene - you'll have to install all kinds of video codecs, but its not that hard.
8)Bluetooth Support - I'm not sure about Ubuntu, but Fedora comes with some apps for bluetooth configuration. I don't have bluetooth, but there are definitely some apps out there for this--just google a bit.
9)This is one pretty useful feature in KDE apps - they all support spellchecking.
10)Most trackpads you'll only get basic functionality, which does kind of suck, but there isn't much of a fix for it.
KDE 4 (due in December?) should support all these features pretty well except 4 and 10. - inactive, on 10/18/2007, -7/+22How 'bout a list of 10 things you would miss when switching from Ubuntu to OS X?
- fkr3, on 10/18/2007, -1/+16Insert CD. Boot. Follow prompts.
Optional extra:
Create a blog and tell us all about the installation process. - VIrus9, on 10/19/2007, -4/+18Right, because what everyone really wants is to locked in under proprietary license agreements.
- miyamotofreak, on 10/19/2007, -3/+16Katapult is nowhere near QS. I liked Deskbar on Ubuntu but it is just a launcher (not a swiss army tool like QS).
- inactive, on 10/19/2007, -1/+12As a long time Mac user, the centralized package management offered in Debian and its offspring is amazing because you can update all of the software on the system with two commands. That is awesome.
- ricksite, on 10/18/2007, -0/+10Apple recently enabled full screen playback for everyone in an update.
- griz, on 10/19/2007, -6/+16Can you name 10 things you will miss about Ubuntu when you switch back?
- lengau, on 10/18/2007, -5/+14Katapult for KDE does a similar job to Quicksilver. It works quite differently, though. Some prefer Quicksilver and others prefer Katapult.
- nights0223, on 10/19/2007, -2/+11You can download 'screenlets' as a good replacement for the dashboard.
- Genady, on 10/18/2007, -2/+11Sorta. I am a Mac Fanbois, and if I was forced to change I'd go with Ubuntu. I tried for a few weeks not long ago and the thing I missed most was the 'it just works' factor of the Mac. No futzing with xorg.conf, no futzing at all really. That's worth the price of admission.
- Magillicutti, on 10/18/2007, -2/+10I couldn't imagine life without Quicksilver exactly the way it is.
- hornsworth, on 10/19/2007, -4/+12I would miss not seeing the beachball (system wide resource starvation). Both Linux and Windows seem better at managing multiple applications, if I'm switching between Firefox, OpenOffice and Eclipse on Windows/Linux everything is fine with 1 GB, whereas on a Mac with 2 GB I have to wait for the beachball all the time. Others have noted this too. This might be related to Mac OS's poor performance as a server.
Other things: package management (installing and updating)
Free apps, rather than having to tote around a bunch of $5 - $40 add-ons to get things done
A culture that assumes making things free, aeasier (over time) and more customizable is better than giving into all the compromises of commercializing everything - ManInTheBunker, on 10/19/2007, -4/+12For the billionth time: QT is a completely different beast in OSX. The Windows implementation is a steaming pile of *****. Much like "Windows Media" formats in OSX.
- proton, on 10/18/2007, -4/+12So this is a sign that the Mac fan boys are getting scared of Ubuntu? I kid...
- simoncallesen, on 10/19/2007, -3/+11Coral caught it.
Mirror: http://www.starryhope.com.nyud.net:8080/linux/2007 ... - jjpertusch, on 10/19/2007, -4/+12quicktime? are you kidding me?
- deadbaby, on 10/19/2007, -5/+12I miss all the quality OSX apps when I use Linux. There are capable replacements but their GUI is never half as good as the worst Mac app. I spend a lot of time scratching my head and wondering why they can't give me a usable interface.
- Balla79, on 10/19/2007, -0/+711. A GOOD flac and ogg player.
- MWeather, on 10/18/2007, -0/+7So if Photoshop was command-line only, but with the same functionality, you'd consider it a good app?
- NCSUCodeMonkey, on 10/18/2007, -1/+7Gnome has the ever useful Deskbar http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/ which is a generic launch & search tool that's pretty easy to extend.
- Kelmon, on 10/18/2007, -0/+6If I am not mistaken, Quicksilver hooks into applications AppleScript support and enables you to trigger actions in those applications a bit like if you had written a script only much more simply. I used to use Quicksilver a lot, for example, to find telephone numbers in the Address Book application and display the result on-screen in huge numbers so that I could easily read the number while dialing.
Quite a few people use Quicksilver as a form of Spotlight replacement but it does a heck of a lot more (although Leopard is introducing a few things to Spotlight that Quicksilver used to do, such as perform quick calculations). - daftman, on 10/19/2007, -1/+7> . So? It's cute, but useless.
It has the same feature from MacOS and more. Unless your MacOS feature is useless as well.
> I know some people need it, but WINE's about the worst option out there.
What's the other option? Buy a Mac ?
> Central? How is this a good thing? I kinda like Googling, downloading, and then drag-and-dropping to install, personally. A lot quicker and I don't have to worry about idiotic libraries.
Some people like to walk across the country. But there are cars and planes for that now. But hey, what ever floats your boat. Idiotic libraries are automatically solved for you.
>. Yeah, I really missed Gnome :-P
Perception, not really an actually reason.
>. And yet none ever seem to be substantive. More often than not, the updates to the open source software I've seen have involved fixing ***** that was broken that never would have shipped on commercial software.
Interesting considering ***** breaks on Mac OS all the time. See how ***** up Safari was when it was "shipped" to Windows? Don't give me that "it's beta" *****. Most open source project shipping at version 1.0 is more stable.
6. The Mac community and the Linux community are rather comparable, I think.
Nah, Mac community are more like parrot who just repeat what Steve Jobs said. Linux community will beat you down if you think you are more superior just because you fork out more money or use a different distro.
> Don't favor ideology over effectiveness. That's a terrible fallacy when it comes to getting things done. Some people work better with OS X than with Linux, and some work better with Linux. Some work better (gasp) with Windows. Are these people supposed to stop being productive just because of an idea that frankly has very little relevance for 99.9% of the population?
It has relevance to 99% of the population when the can't play TV, movies, music without paying more for the man. Choice is a diminishing thing in the corporate world. Most people are affected but only notice when they lack all the choices. Linux is here to give the that choice. Interestingly, why without that ideology crap, Mac wouldn't exist.
> What would I need MythTV for? Front Row works great.
So you can record TV with any TV tuner, network the whole media in your house? Can Mac do that?
>> I spent far more on computers when I was using Linux. You can get a Mac capable of running Tiger for under $100 including shipping on eBay.
*****, unless a moron decide to sell you a keyboard, that's the only thing you can get with a Mac for $100.
> I kinda like Googling, downloading, and then drag-and-dropping to install, personally. A lot quicker and I don't have to worry about idiotic libraries. - vault, on 10/19/2007, -11/+17Dashboard is the last thing I'd miss...I definitely would not have made that number one but the rest of the stuff I can see, especially Quicksilver...AFAIK there is no equivalent?
- Tyr7BE, on 10/19/2007, -3/+9"I kinda like Googling, downloading, and then drag-and-dropping to install, personally. A lot quicker and I don't have to worry about idiotic libraries."
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What's quicker than Install Applications->Click on Application->Click 'Install'? Unless you really enjoy the act of going through google search results, chancing that your app's homepage is up and running, finding the download link, and hoping that the app's server is going strong enough for you to grab it. This was one of the biggest things that pissed me off going from Ubuntu back to OS X. I had to go back to hunting and pecking for my apps. Fink is good and fine and all for unix utils, but really you can't beat the apt system, it's best of breed. - zeeky, on 10/18/2007, -3/+8are you kiddingme? latest quicktime 7 + perian = best video player, ever.
but quicktime on a pc is the worst setup you could possibly have... apple cant program worth ***** for the pc! - sdlvx, on 10/19/2007, -1/+6I use KDE, as I find that it has much more usability features than Gnome, and KDE looks better.
1. Dashboard can be replaced with compiz fusion and it's widget plugin. You can use a variety of "desklets" which are the same thing as widgets. You can choose from Super Karamba, gDesklets, Screenlets, etc. There's a lot of choices, and all of them are beautiful.
2. I'm not quite sure. What I did, was make a bar on top that has all my recently used programs as icons in a bar, then, I have Avant Window Navigator on the bottom which houses open windows as well as the system tray and a CPU monitor. There is also a Run Command applet which lets you type in a program name, and it will run it for you. It doesn't search, but it does run programs. For KDE, you can use Tasty Menu. It's still a WIP, but it's one of the smartest start menu type things I've used.
3. You should switch to Pidgin. You can find the new version from getdeb.net. With Avant Window Navigator, the icon in the window list can bounce, flash, spin, or a do a wide range of other effects when I get an instant message. You can also set sounds, and if you browse the repositories, there are some decent plugins for pidgin/gaim you can use.
4. I agree, 100%. GIMP's interface is terrible. Utterly terrible. I've heard rumors of running photoshop CS2 with WINE in linux, but it's not easy. I've also heard that Photoshop 7 works with WINI in Linux.
5. I've found kate to be the best text editor. It has a vast array of auto indenting features, as well as highlighting and an autocomplete feature. The autocomplete has to be turned on, but I find it to be very similar to Microsoft's Intellisense technology used in the Visual Studio. This is a big help, and is a godsend when coding in case sensitive languages, because the function and variable names are added to the auto complete and I don't have to remember capitalization. I've also found that installing apache, PHP, and mysql is extremely easy in Ubuntu (almost TOO easy). When doing web development, I've found that this combination of super easy server setup with massive plugins and customizability can not be beaten on windows or OS X.
6. There is a dictionary applet for both Gnome and KDE.
7. VLC will play all of your media files without having to deal with codecs.
8. I never used bluetooth, even though I have it and everytime I start up I get some message about it working. TBH I have a blue tooth mouse and I never got it to work on my laptop.
9. KDE has global spell checking, but when you run GNOME applications, or non-native KDE apps, it is not there.
10. If you install the qsynaptics driver, you can set up your mousepad to do everything that the Apple touchpad does. I have two finger double click, triple finger middle click, double finger scrolling, and a vertical scroll at the bottom, which Firefox so wonderfully autosupports as back and forward in the browser (this is one of the greatest features, ever). All of these features can be edited and changed at will via the qsynaptics interface tool. If you don't want the two finger scroll or double click, you can change it.
Ubuntu can do everything OS X can, and then more, but the problem is that you have to set it up. Ubuntu is paving the way by creating a distribution of linux that you don't have to spend days tweaking to your needs. It is not hard for Canonical to make these small changes to their distro. In fact, someone could easily make their own distro that did all of that, and I'm sure there's probably and OS X clone distribution out there somewhere.
Linux is a really great system, and everything you miss in another OS, you can almost always replace in Linux. Not everytime (like with photoshop), but most of the time you can.
I would also really say that the default stuff is very ugly, and I'm not sure if you kept the original look, but TBH, whenever I install Ubuntu, the first thing I do is go to kde-look.org and get better looking stuff. Then I install compiz fusion and emerald, because I really think that opaque window decorations are ugly and very outdated. I mean, AFAIK, OS X is the only updated system which still does not have transparent window decorations.
ANyways, I hope you look into what I said, and I hope you get the chance to at least set up your Ubuntu just how you like it (or install Kubuntu, which is what I would recommend, as I've used both and I like KDE over GNOME by leaps and bounds). Good luck to you. - Tyr7BE, on 10/19/2007, -2/+7Funny, I switched from Linux to Mac two years ago, and none of the stuff I wanted worked in OS X. I spent like 2 months asking long time mac users 'how do I do X'? Usually to get the same thing accomplished under OS X I had to drop to the terminal and edit some sort of xml file, or the response was 'you can't'.
- MWeather, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5Yeah, and what's with all thse gameshows with 1 million dollars for a prize? Why is it never $967,236.72?
- rspeed, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5"that you can't play QuickTime compatible content without QT Pro"
What the crap are you talking about? - Jerk, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5You guessed incorrectly.
- rspeed, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5A two-finger click is mapped to right-click in OS X. It's probably trivial (if not automatic) setting that up in Ubuntu.
- miyamotofreak, on 10/18/2007, -1/+6The widget selection is generally better.
- sn0wkitty, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5I ended up disabling my OSX dashboard with Onyx anyway. I searched high and low for a widget that I actually had a need to access at the press of a button on a regular basis but I couldn't find one.
I think the whole widget philosophy is becoming a bit dated in the Web 2.0 age. Most of them are gimmicky at best, and the information type ones (ie the Wikipedia widget) usually aren't as efficient as just firing up your browser and getting the information you want.
Case in point: the top widget on Apple's dashboard widget page right now is "2007 Halloween Costume Name Generator" - what a wondrous age we live in where such vital information is just an F12 away! - drlha, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5Addressing point 9: modern Macs don't have a TPM chip, nor is one required to run Mac OS X or even utilized by Mac OS X. Read:
http://www.osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter10/tpm/ - inactive, on 10/18/2007, -0/+5Virus spam on digg, when did this start happening?
- hyperair, on 10/19/2007, -0/+5Whatever happened to Compiz Fusion + Screenlets? Surely that's good enough to replace the Dashboard? I find that it's enough for me.
- crammaz, on 10/18/2007, -1/+5Partition mac HD with Boot Camp.
Boot into linux live CD - I used the Ubuntu .iso available from their website.
Follow on screen set up wizard within Ubuntu, make sure you install linux onto the partition set aside for windows by bootcamp.
Re-boot into Ubuntu... enjoy
Ubuntu is nice and good fun to expierement and learn with.... but its not a replacement for OS X.... yet :P - VIrus9, on 10/18/2007, -2/+6I don't see why he's complaining about a lack of good graphics software. Sure, GIMP might not have the bit depth of some of programs he's used to, but it's hardly the "be all, end all" of Linux graphics. Perhaps he should also take a look at Inkscape, Xarax, and Cinepaint.
- Khaine, on 10/18/2007, -1/+5try gnome-launch-box http://developer.imendio.com/projects/gnome-launch ... its not as feature complete as quicksilver.
- keyo, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4There is a dictionary plasmoid for KDE4. I definitly find Kaffiene to be better than Totem. Unfortunatly it is a year away 'til KDE4 is included in kubuntu. (8.10)
- miyamotofreak, on 10/18/2007, -4/+8Agreed about Totem with Xine. Totem is so well designed in its simplicity.
- mdesjardins, on 10/18/2007, -1/+5Affinity is also kinda-sorta like QS. I use a Mac at home and Ubuntu at work, and QS is still the best.
- inactive, on 10/18/2007, -0/+4Misses UAC and rebooting the pc everyday, and running anti virus and anti spyware tools, IE and umm, windows media player, errr umm
- Tippis, on 10/18/2007, -1/+5Spotlight just finds stuff...
Quicksilver finds programs, services, files, you name it; launches them, if need be; gives them instructions on what to do; and accepts roughly umpteen bazillion ways of triggering this chain of events... - MtheoryX, on 10/19/2007, -0/+4Could you be more specific with your accusations?
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