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- PhonicUK, on 01/05/2008, -2/+23Server was beaten with a Digg stick.
- Darkhacker, on 01/05/2008, -2/+19I prefer to not use Wine, but not because of the look. I just prefer free software and applications which are easily installed through the repository.
- sq377, on 01/05/2008, -1/+18I would like to see winforms turned into native gtk, but i'm being way too hopeful.
- djh816, on 01/05/2008, -0/+16just lose 3 protons and you're good.
- ArthurSucks, on 01/05/2008, -7/+23I refuse to use wine if possible. The look and the feel of windows apps is just horrible. When they look native and feel native I probably wont care as much.
- jacobmp92, on 01/05/2008, -0/+13I'm a GNOME fan, and the fact that you just throw out a KDE bash out there annoys me, especially since GNOME has that exact same theme for GTK.
- ubuwalker31, on 01/05/2008, -3/+14I like to have the freedom to install whatever kind of software, with whatever kind of license, on whatever platform, that I choose.
- oobuntu, on 01/05/2008, -1/+12only if you have a spare Gb of RAM on your machine to run the VM
- Malachai, on 01/05/2008, -2/+13Man, no need to call him fat. He was just saying...
- svivian, on 01/05/2008, -0/+9"However, in the current Wine versions full theming is too slow to be usable."
So, it's pretty useless at the moment, then. I think I'd rather beat WINE with the ugly stick than the slow stick. - bluffcityjk, on 01/05/2008, -2/+9I would like like to see lead turned to gold too. That hasn't worked out very well either.
- MrPig, on 01/05/2008, -1/+8How is booting a windows install easier than:
wine - Mejogid, on 01/05/2008, -0/+6Does this mean that the serious performance problem with msstyles under wine have been fixed, or is this just a proof of concept? I'm not sure I can be bothered to download the latest release with the risk of regressions to test...
- usingpond, on 01/05/2008, -1/+6It's like putting a wig on Gollum.
- inactive, on 01/05/2008, -0/+5Natively generally doesn't involve an entire virtual operating system bolted on. You will loose at least %15 of performance right away since even with virtualization supported cpus you get that kind of performance hit, plus you need Windows, Games wont work under a virtual environment (at least without the DX>OpenGL wrapper which is the one from wine anyway) If your gaming you might as well just reboot when you want to play a game perhapse setup a stripped down version of windows using nlite (or vlite for vista, Vista suks but if you removed everything from it and just used it s a frontend for gaming it might be bearable and ou gt DX10.
WINE on the other hand will run with very little performance hit and will work without windows entirely. - damienhunter, on 01/05/2008, -1/+5Mirror:
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:Let5YcTVLAcJ: ...
Since duggmirror is f****ed up. - fox40, on 01/05/2008, -4/+8They do, and if you don't like the look, it is possible to choose from many different themes from many different websites including http://www.kde-look.org and http://www.gnome-look.org and with the relatively new and completely customizable compiz and emerald window managers, I truly believe Linux looks better than windows. As far as the interface goes, Linux is simpler and more intuitive than windows. Windows "Control Panel" is very cluttered and it takes me multiple clicks to get to whatever I need.
- init100, on 01/05/2008, -0/+4Yes you can. I ran the installation program for Settlers III from Wine, and it happily installed the game into ~/.wine/drive_c/...
- HonoredMule, on 01/05/2008, -0/+4Well if you can sell that philosophy to Microsoft, we'll be all set. Until they "let" the windows platform work with open standards, we the open source goons will continue /forcing/ interoperability with compatability layers like wine--providing the technical capability for users to choose freely between free and proprietary software together.
Free software is the side with members actually trying to break down the barriers and dichotomy, but it takes two to tango. - djbon2112, on 01/05/2008, -2/+5I agree. I've alwayis hated this "'Linux and free software' or 'Windows and not-free software'" dictotomy. Whaxt is wrong with giving the user choice, letting them use Windows apps natively in Linux? Wine is a good step in the right direction, but it's still very flawed. There shouldn't be a need for a compatability layer, it should be integrated!
- markob, on 01/05/2008, -0/+3Depends on your machine, setup and of course application you want to run. Some run with almost same speed as in Windows, some have slow startup but run normal then, even games run smoothly (WoW ran perfectly fine on my machine, which is no high-end: GF7300gt, Pendiumd805 under Ubuntu).
- UKsHaDoW, on 01/06/2008, -0/+3You forgot gtk is themeable. GTK Engines do the drawing, you can completly replace them if you want.
- d3k4y, on 01/05/2008, -3/+6Yeah, they definitely do. And even if you disagree, you can customize the look of Linux much further than you could in Windows.
- Vektuz, on 01/05/2008, -0/+3If you've hacked up your windows, you can actually use this theme in windows too - wine themese are just windows .theme type themes compatible with windows XP
- inactive, on 01/05/2008, -2/+5There are no Windows applications that I personally want to use over Linux alternatives.
With that said I need WINE for games (mainly TF2), I can also see that web developers need IE for testing and Photoshop for people in the professional graphics area (I would use it over GIMP except I generally reinstall my os more regularly than I fire up photoshop so I would have to install every time, GIMP on the other hand is on there and works fine for what I want.
I used Firefox on windows, I prefer Linux media players over windows counterparts, the termnal is quicker than the gui file managers for just about everything since I can type a few letters of a filename quicker than it takes for the eye to locate it in a list of icons let alone move the mouse and click, and there is the flexibility of being able to do heaps more since there is a commandline application for just about everything. - nailer, on 01/07/2008, -0/+3WinAmp? Really? WinAmp?
Even the WinAmp developers are writing Songbird now. Most Linux folks use Amarok tho. - TonyKay, on 01/05/2008, -1/+3Apart from games, the only windows application that i would really love on Ubuntu is iTunes. I have adapted so much to iTunes that I feel uncomfortable using any other media player for organising tunes for my iPod.
However it seems the likelihood of Apple ever supporting iTunes on Ubuntu is very very low. - zzzpoohzzz, on 01/05/2008, -0/+2try out songbird... i think it's very similar to itunes
- diggboy101, on 01/05/2008, -1/+3He said OVER Linux alternatives.
- andycr512, on 01/06/2008, -0/+2It runs fast for me. Perhaps it's time to upgrade that 486.
- broysox, on 01/05/2008, -3/+5dugg for the ugly stick reference
- inactive, on 01/05/2008, -1/+2Depends on the game, it should support DX9 without issues, the problems with most games are normally minor bugs such as some random thing causing it to crash before getting to the graphics at all, or the input not working as expected. I play TF2 under wine and it works as well as windows, the DX>OpenGL wrapper is very fast and add to that the fact that WINE can be compiled for the specific CPU archtype and you can use more bleeding edge file systems for speed you can in cases get faster speeds (this is reported to happen a lot already but most of them have sharers or other visual effects disable without realizing it). A lot of the minor bugs will get fixed eventually
- Mejogid, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1(Edit failed:) On checking the mirror, it seems they're still not working and the main suggestion is just a colour scheme (which is is supposed to be included in the latest versions anyway). Oh, well - perhaps the hardy proposal will get someone interested in fixing the underlying problems.
- djbon2112, on 01/12/2008, -0/+1You make a good point HonoredMule, but there's really no way to win. MS prevents the majority of applications from running on Linux, but when someone makes a FOSS clone that is ACTUALLY a clone, everyone in the Linux community hates it for "copying" Windows. :(
- zzzpoohzzz, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1unless i didnt look around enough when i installed vmware... i'd say performance... you just run one app instead of a whole virtual OS.
- richbradshaw, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1Try this forum post for simliar if not the same ideas: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55286
- commentbot, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1At last! I have asked the WINE developers to integrate the Windows applications colors using the Gtk and Qt theme .rc files info for ages.
- Stonekeeper, on 01/06/2008, -0/+1To be fair, virtualbox in seamless mode is pretty awesome for applications.
- sgtunix, on 01/06/2008, -1/+2After using OS X for many years now, I'd have to say that using GTK is like being beaten with the "ugly stick", not just the Win32 GUI. GTK is free though, so we can't really be too critical unless we're willing to fix/improve it ourselves.
- mercurysquad, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1Unfortunately it has not yet been fixed. Specially this particular theme mentioned in the article performs worse than any other due to the lack of implementation of some floodfill primitive in the graphics handling code.
In short: Don't use this. - TheWindBlows, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1i prefer Virtual box
It has the best Full screen mode. (It looks native)
When shutting of windows its kinda funny...
Windows is shutting down. screen flash blank and bam Linux distro right there :P - antitab, on 01/06/2008, -2/+3If you're going to be an elitist dick, at least do it the right way and spam BSD. Slackware does not make you hardcore.
- Vektuz, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1I was addicted to itunes until I found rockbox ;)
I installed it on my nano (a quick download and a couple clicks) and it automatically makes it so the nano can dual-boot between the original, and rockbox. And apple's itunes still works on it.
But since I installed that, I've found that I dont really feel like uploading all my songs to it in crazy hidden format... so now I just use normal alternative ipod synch tools to synch it up. They start and shut down faster than itunes and don't install a crapload of services...
I guess its an option if all you do is podcasts (like me) and mostly static music.
Rockbox is configurable enough that I could create a "new podcasts" and "old podcasts" custom categories to filter them out. :) - shanesemler, on 01/05/2008, -0/+1I installed 3dCC (a Windows theming app) and matched the colors. It works well and I don't have to install any buggy theme.
- twiztidsinz, on 01/05/2008, -1/+1MediaMonkey3 works under WINE pretty well from what I hear.. Might want to give it a shot.
http://www.mediamonkey.com/ - PrismSub7, on 01/05/2008, -1/+1Yeah, because using PortableFirefox/Thunderbird on both my linux and windows machines is a very bad thing to do.
- stix213, on 01/07/2008, -0/+0Virtual Box is a great product, but it isn't perfect. Plus, I don't think virtual box has good D3D support.
- stix213, on 01/07/2008, -0/+0There is a lot of extra overhead running a separate copy of Windows at the same time as Linux. Plus, technically you still have to buy the Windows license. Wine is all about getting away from the Microsoft cash suck machine.
That said, I often use either VMware (on server) or Virtual Box (on desktop) to run my Windows apps cause Wine just can't run many of the apps I need :( - jbond, on 01/06/2008, -2/+1Still no full Winamp support in Wine? Boo!
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