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- 10goto10, on 09/15/2008, -3/+50Vim is so difficult to use, I couldn't use it even after reading http://digg.com/linux_unix/Speaking_UNIX_The_New_a ...
So then I read http://digg.com/linux_unix/Speaking_UNIX_The_New_a ... and I started to see how powerful Vim can be.
But then THIS article came along, and REALLY cleared things up for me. Thanks, submitter! - iBeej, on 09/15/2008, -2/+24"This is a UNIX system. I KNOW THIS!!"
- connieLingus, on 09/15/2008, -3/+24people are still arguing over their editors?
- Meekus, on 09/15/2008, -5/+24You can NEVER have too much vi love.
Dugg! - inactive, on 09/15/2008, -1/+20If by "new" you mean "10 years old", then yes, Vim is new.
- Xtanto, on 09/15/2008, -2/+14Get spotless results with new VIM!!!
http://www.linux.pf/imgext/vim_cleaner.jpg
Emacs just smears. - Cenobite, on 09/15/2008, -0/+8"The only intuitive interface is the nipple. After that it's all learned." - Bruce Ediger
- JMellissa, on 09/15/2008, -2/+10The VI editor (and VIM) is a very powerful editor. The human interface is IMHO abysmally counter-intuitive.
- seventhc, on 09/15/2008, -0/+7I love Vim, and anyone out there who thinks its to hard to use, it does have a built in tutor. 30 minutes on that and you'll be able to use it for most tasks. As you use it more, you will learn more features. There really are so many functions in vim, but you just learn the ones that are useful to you. I don't think anyone knows or uses %100 of its features.
I use it to browse the file system and can then just edit it right there, I use it as a wiki with a plugin. When using it as a wiki any 'WikiWord will automatically create a link to that page. if the page doesn't exist it will create it for you. Then you can tab between the different wiki words and press enter to open the one of your choice.
It's actually amazing to me that more people don't use it. Sure there is a steep learning curve at first, but you only have to learn it once. - Snakedal337, on 09/15/2008, -1/+8Uhhh Vim? As in the same vim that was released in 91? This is still news?
- CoolGoose, on 09/15/2008, -4/+11I bet you are an emacs user.
- bl4k3r, on 09/15/2008, -3/+9Dugg for Vi / Vim history facts.
- geodebug, on 09/15/2008, -0/+6VIM and modal editing are nice. That said, who cares?
I'm only digging this article because it has to do with technology and not politics. - Almadiel, on 09/15/2008, -0/+6Isn't "improved vim" redundant?
- Plotinus, on 09/15/2008, -6/+12No they haven't. Dugg.
- johndavidjack, on 09/15/2008, -0/+6I've actually never used emacs in my life...
- fluxion, on 09/15/2008, -0/+6you might also find this article helpful:
http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/aix/library/au-s ... - buddyw, on 09/15/2008, -0/+6emacs works ok, but you have to pull three triggers at once to get it to spray.
- geodebug, on 09/15/2008, -0/+5Oh god, don't start a lame editor battle, especially over VIM and Emacs. Can't you just link to one of the 100s of other battles to save us all time?
- tnoy, on 09/16/2008, -0/+5Vim was first released in 1991.
Gnome development was announced in 1997.
How is it older than vim? - Cenobite, on 09/15/2008, -0/+5If you need the right tool for the right job, use Vim. If you need a laser-gun equipped freight train that transforms into a giant Japanese anime robot when you only need to toast bread, go with Emacs.
- rowjimmy, on 09/15/2008, -0/+4i've always found http://www.gentoo.org/images/vicheat-final.png helpful. i tend to use nano for editing config files/when ssh'd - mostly because i'm used to it - but have started using vi more often (nano seems to ***** up on wide chars, and doesn't have the power of vi). emacs though still drives me insane - i've been a *nix user working in IT for 5+ years and still never use emacs beyond emacs-diff
- eclectro, on 09/15/2008, -2/+6Normally you would be right, but this is a very succinct primer. But that's not the only reason I dugg it. There is a pdf of the article that you can save and take with you.
- yayster, on 09/15/2008, -0/+4I don't see a good future for you in your chosen career.
- BHSPitMonkey, on 09/15/2008, -0/+4Other way around, clsslc.
- inactive, on 09/15/2008, -0/+3Dude, "new" in the IT world would be 3 months, at the most.
- xqb4dpx, on 09/15/2008, -0/+3can we please argue on whether or not Vim or Emacs is better? i miss the tech-only digg.
- newdigger, on 09/15/2008, -0/+3This is great, we just covered VIM in my Linux class today. Didnt know I could install it in Windows.
- Stefano1337, on 09/15/2008, -1/+4oh now this is news
- inactive, on 09/15/2008, -0/+3When I'm editing from the terminal I prefer to use nano for more simple jobs over vim or vi. However, I do know how to use vi and vim. It's a must, as you'll never know when you'll run into a system with only that one choice.
- TehDoctor, on 09/16/2008, -0/+3"abysmally counter-intuitive"
Give it ten minutes. Almost everything in vi is a mnemonic - inactive, on 09/15/2008, -0/+3What? I still think Gnome is new and it's older than Vim. Depends on yer perspective there, sonny.
- rebotfc, on 09/15/2008, -0/+2It's a shame that an advanced editor does not come as standard on a Windows machine, notepad is just *****.
Personally really digging Textmate at the moment, just really adaptable and easy to use. - tnoy, on 09/15/2008, -0/+2http://www.cs.bgu.ac.il/~orlovm/code/emacs/viman.g ...
- smylie, on 09/16/2008, -0/+2It's a lot faster when you don't need to keep changing your input device.
IE, in ultraedit (or whatever)
- put your editor in column mode
- take your hand off the keyboard
- move it to the mouse,
- make the selection with the mouse
- move your hand back to your keyboard
- finally *start* doing what ever it was you wanted to do in the first place.
Contrast that with vim:
- ctrl+v
- (select text: eg 3j$ to select a col 3 lines down & across to end of line)
- do operation
(and those 3 steps w/out the few second delay of locating mouse and/or homerow on your keyboard)
It's well known that some one who continually uses the mouse whilst editing will be working slower that someone doing the same operations using keyboard shortcuts - regardless of whether you're talking about vim, or even microsoft word... - Cenobite, on 09/15/2008, -0/+2Hey, man. The wheel works and there's no reason to ***** with a perfect design, no matter how old it is.
- bradleyland, on 09/16/2008, -1/+3emacs>vim? Did you really have to go and do that?
- FolkTheory, on 09/15/2008, -1/+3*gets mauled by a dinosaur for being an 11 year old vegan*
- hiriumi, on 09/15/2008, -0/+2I just can't get used to the command line text editors. I'm happy with Notepad++.
- shinkou, on 09/16/2008, -0/+2Dugg for my all time favorite editor vim, which stands for the "improved vi".
- directrix13, on 09/16/2008, -0/+2"Its a veggiesaurus dumb *****."
- cotaskmemalloc, on 09/15/2008, -0/+2Yes, it's unintuitive, I'll give you that... but once you learn, its very fast. I love my vim plugin for VS 2008.
- subgeniusd, on 09/16/2008, -1/+3Pseudocoding doesn't count.
- cgibbo, on 09/16/2008, -1/+3How did this old ***** get frontpage again?
- MadHarvey, on 09/16/2008, -0/+2You should really watch a skilled VIM user before you make that claim.
Comparing GUI-based editors to VIM in terms of efficiency is like comparing chicken pecking typing, to touch typing. Yes, it that big of a difference.
You are a young developer, you still have time. Take one week and REALLY learn VIM. I promise, you'll come back and thank me.. - getashovel, on 09/15/2008, -0/+2great, but I still will use nano
- geniusj, on 09/15/2008, -0/+2Because reaching for your mouse constantly while making heavy use of a keyboard (typing) is very time saving..
- bradleyland, on 09/16/2008, -0/+1Vi, visual column. Look in to it.
I assure you that nearly any functionality available in a modern graphical text editor is available in Vi or Emacs. It's just that both of these text based editors are run by they keyboard alone. If you put the time in to learning the commands and using them well, you will fly past any mouse jockey trying to click through a series of menus. Hell, most text editors pride themselves on the power of their keyboard shortcuts. Vi and Emacs _are_ keyboard shortcuts. - enantiodromia, on 09/16/2008, -0/+1Both of your statements are untrue. Sorry.
There have been less intuitive editors, and vi is now and always will be king. - arnott7, on 09/16/2008, -0/+1for aligning text according to the extension, try : = G.
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