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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -11/+29I think I might like KDE more if everything didn't begin with a K and they got rid of those damn dragons. I really just hate those dragons!
- KungFuJesus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17Actually windows has ripped features from KDE in the past, such as how XP groups mutliple windows owned by 1 process into a single task bar entry if you have a crap load of windows open in that app.
- purpmint008, on 10/10/2007, -4/+21Meh.
I just run my favorite Gnome and KDE apps under Xfce4. - pauleric, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Ya, just a little more work on Mono and Gnome will be even less like Windows than ever. Oh wait...
But seriously, I take second place to nobody in hating Windows, but what are you going to do with a GUI? You have resizeable windows, you point, you click, you drag, you want something that works like what people are used to. People are used to MS Windows. If you want more people to actually use Linux, making it superficially work like MS Windows is a good idea. - HerbertScrunge, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18Yep, a pretty good article :) Also, it's nice to see advocacy of $DE that doesn't involving putting down $other-DE, too.
- DeviantSeptum, on 10/28/2007, -2/+16KDE is the most exciting desktop out there. I hope KDE4 achieves the lofty goals to which it is aspiring. The scalable-vector graphics (SVG) and the new Oxygen theme are the most exciting new features for me. I don't quite understand what the Plasma project is about yet but I'm trusting the developers that it's worthwhile. For those of you that haven't tried KDE, I want to mention that the KDE office suite, KOffice, is really great. I think it's better than OpenOffice and more enjoyable to use.
I've never understood the "KDE has too many options" compared to GNOME argument that was brought up again in the article. I've always thought the KDE menus have a reasonable number of options. But I have found myself frustrated in GNOME because I couldn't find a way to change something that should be changeable. I'm all for doing usability studies to determine the best placement of items in menus and such but GNOME or KDE should not limit themselves in exchange for morons being able to use them. - xqb4dpx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15KDE4 is going to be nasty. as in good nasty.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13 I agree..But if you don't want it to look like Windows you can change it and customize it to your hearts content. When I first left Windows and got Linux,I was astounded at how much more tinkering i could do...
I really like KDE.
- 2kude, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13I could just as easily say that GNOME is a copy of OS X, is too simplistic, and hasn't had any real breakthroughs in almost forever.
- CptnObvious, on 10/10/2007, -1/+11There doesn't seem to be near as much involvement in Kubuntu as there is with Ubuntu so the quality shows (not saying Kubuntu is bad, just not as good as it could be). It's unfortunate but not exactly KDE's fault.
- baalzebub, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13gnome is just as bad, take a look in /usr/bin at all the applications starting with gnome, gnome-this and gnome-that and gnome-gnome-gnome...
- kwilliam, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Give up on the "K is bad" thing. Apple starts everything with "i", Gnome starts everything with "G".
As for the dragons... yes. The dragons suck. I'm a huge KDE fan, but seriously, Konky needs a makeover. - Wyzard, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9"Isn't that why we left Windows?"
No, not really. We left Windows because of things like proprietary formats and protocols, malware, and lack of source code. - schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12That's some comprehensive introduction. Raiden has a whole lot of stuff advocating KDE as well..
- Aythun, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14GNOME? Doing it right? That's hilarious. GNOME is the least usable desktop environment. I don't like being treated like an idiot by my software.
- Skooma714, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8You can install whatever window manager you want, I don't believe it is hard coded.
- ProfBagelwood, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8It's much more efficient on the system if you use a full KDE setup, but to be fair, modern computers are so powerful anymore that the performance boost achieved by this isn't noticeable by humans. But it's nice to have the choice, don't you think?
P.S. Never heard of Gnome Office, I take it. :P
P.P.S. If you really want to talk about doing things "for the love of Linus," how about... not using Gnome? (Linus isn't quite in the Gnome fan club, ya see.) - r3dk9, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10"Applications" should not necessarily be listed as a reason to use KDE in this article, as it is trivial to run K apps in other environments like Gnome.
That being said, however, KDE certainly has it's merits. I've tried it, and I can see why people use it, but I just prefer Gnome. It's just a matter of preference. - jadrian, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8You know a Desktop Environment is really awesome when those are the main complains you have about it.
- Aythun, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Have fun using that argument once KDE 4 is released with all its cross platform-ness.
- subgeniusd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7"instead of loading up a bloated desktop?"
I know you get Uber-geek points for running on ancient hardware but on any current off the shelf system KDE runs fast and uses a tiny fraction of available storage. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Doesn't the lack of consistency and interoperability between Gnome and KDE apps bother you?
- oobuntu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Pros
1) KDE has great apps such as digiKam and Amarok, Koffice,
2) KDE has great styling and less spongy interface than gnome
3) KDE is more stable than Gnome, in my experience
4) KDE is written in C++, using the Qt toolkit, so it is more pleasant to write apps for.
5) Excellent community
6) Resources are shared when using K apps
7) DigiKam plugins mean Gimp isn't that necessary after all
Cons
1) Gnome is the default DE in fedora and ubuntu and many people are not discovering the KDE goodness.
2) Gnome is getting some good progress in small steps with productivity apps such as the syncing program (conduit?), tomboy etc while we will have to wait for KDE4, then it will be a while before bugs are fixed etc. I guess it will be worth it in the end. Who knows, maybe some of the distros will switch over to KDE as default
3) Kubuntu could be a bit better in my opinion. KDE on Debian Etch seems faster and nicer.
4) Konqueror web browser doesn't render gmail properly. I end up using firefox
5) KDE doesn't get the credit it deserves. - ProfBagelwood, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7KDE isn't just a window manager. Neither is GNOME. When somebody says KDE, they're talking about the official KDE programs too. And also, it's worth noting it because if you use all KDE apps, then that means you don't have to have any of the GNOME stuff taking up resources in the background. This makes a difference on older machines, but if you ask me, new computers are so powerful anymore that you can't even tell if you've got the KDE and GNOME libraries both running at the same time.
- kinghajj, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6I used to be a KDE guy, now I'm a Gnome guy. I always have both installed, along with Xfce, because there are great apps for all of them. When KDE 4 comes out, though, I'll definitely give it a try, and it just might displace Gnome as my favorite desktop environment.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I agree. It's the same thing Nintendo did with the Nintendo 64. Super Annoying 64. Please stop it 64.
- Skooma714, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6It has a more focused purpose and lack of applications.
If Linux were the dominant OS there would be Linux users saying Windows doesn't have as many programs and is hard to use. - breakaway, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9they should call you "dumb *****"
- KAMiKAZOW, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I'm not a GNOME user, but when I use GNOME I don't feel treated like an idiot.
Use Vista (or WinXP to a bit lesser degree) for a day and you'll know how treating someone like an idiot feels. You'll read comments from Windows about you like "Windows doens't display the contents of this folder, because you can damage it" or "Do you really want to open this window?", and so on. - jkharris07, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Open source is amazing...
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The difference between KDE and GNOME is superfucial.
KDE refuses to set the default toolbars and options to suit the average user. They enable all bells and useless whistles by default. Yuck. Those who need the simplicity are not the types that are able to tweak everything like that.
GNOME refuses the power uses to tweak everything. Just because they have more taste, doesn't mean people shouldn't be able to tweak it to their liking. One size does not fit all.
KDE is damn ugly and its design is a pot-pourri. Gnome has a good consistent interface, but it lacks important features because they have been sacrificed for simplicity.
What we need is:
- something as configurable as KDE
- with the sane defaults of GNOME
- using some sort of HIG (human interface guidelines)
- with the technical architecture of KDE
If only the script-kiddies and suits could work together... - Griiih, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Aren't you the guy who stole that one article and posted it as a png?
Buried and reported for spamming. - KAMiKAZOW, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Well Qt-GTK helps a lot. You can also "correct" the button order for KDE apps.
- bromac, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Yeah, because scripting everything saves sooooo much time over scripting something, and then double clicking on said script from a GUI.
- superjamie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4This article raises points that plagued Linux in the 90s, but have been fixed in the "three big WMs" in more recent times.
Switch a few words and app names, and this article could just as easily be about GNOME or Xfce. - MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You know what's worse than dragons? Raptors.
(+1 for anyone that spots the reference) - darkNiGHTS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Coral Cache:
http://jucato.org.nyud.net/blog/why-kde/
Might as well take some load off the server and it's prepared in case the site goes down. - MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I think he is referring to the actual name in the menu's. In the gnome menu its just terminal, etc. not Konsole.
Kids are going to grow up thinking its actually ok to spell certain words like that. It's not.
But it's a minor issue. Only Linspire fixed it though. Which is weird. I hate linspire. But their KDE desktop sucked the least. They put some HIG in there. Apart from the fisher-price skin. Yuck. - oobuntu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Have you tried KOffice? It is much faster and ightwieght than OOo . Those who code for Koffice wouldn't have dreamt of OOo because it is a big mess
- ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Especially those overpriced shareware authors better fix their apps since whatever you see in KDE4 is coming in NATIVE FORM to OS X and Windows. No more X11 and tar.bz2 nerdness border saving their junk.
- thecheatah, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Im gono get dugg down for this, but hear goes:
I wish I could replace firefox with konqueror :, but konq just doesnt handle some sites eg: gmail.com - r3dk9, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6This post is almost identical to my previous one and is a mistake. Please bury.
- Ademan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'd much rather see interperability between GNOME and KDE apps. For instance, I just learned about F-Spot's automatic picasa uploader, and I thought my mom (yeah yeah) would like to use it. So i try to demonstrate it for her on her computer (kubuntu, which i set up for her), and the damn thing fails, citing a lack of a gnome-keyring-daemon as the cause. I'd like to see a standard protocol for these sorts of things so that applications could transparently use either the gnome-keyring-daemon or the kde-keyring-daemon(if that's indeed what it's called).
- muffinmanpoo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Pity... it could've done with a spell-check.
- ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3KOffice on OS X works _perfectly_ thanks to Fink project, as latest stable version. Openoffice 2.3 doesn't even exist in binary form.
Could give a clue about the future of Koffice considering the KOffice 4 beta already has beta binary .APP packages (yes,native .app) are at http://ranger.users.finkproject.org/kde/index.php/ ...
I go with whoever cares about my platform and whoever appears more serious. - LinuxKitty, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3There may be other reasons for this. I run Kubuntu and KDE is very snappy on my system (only 1 GB RAM). I tried Gnome, and it also flew. I use KDE for the integration that was mentioned in the article. I recall a thread on the Ubuntu forums that showed that KDE can be less demanding on the resources if you run KDE integrated applications vs. running similar programs in Gnome. But the differences are not in an area where you should really notice it. I don't know why KDE runs significantly slower for you, merely saying that it is not that way in general. (I'm not into Gnome vs. KDE arguments -- I think both are fine, and choice is a Good Thing.)
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Once Konqueror starts using the WebKit rendering engine compatibility will greatly improve.
You can try it out today, apparently:
http://www.nabble.com/WebKit-and-Konqueror-t444306 ... - ilgaz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Imagine the mess if even Sun Engineers can't package 2.3 for OS X yet, after a WEEK they released all other platforms and if it takes 1 year to port it to Aqua while backend OS is almost binary compatible with FreeBSD.
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1195
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Totally agree. I hate the KDE fanboys that put GNOME down or visa versa.
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