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- inactive, on 11/20/2008, -13/+54Comment_1: WHY DOESN'T MICROSOFT OPEN THEIR ***** UP TO LINUX DEVELOPERS!?!11?!1
Comment_2: WTF? This is a scam! Why is Microsoft releasing ***** to be distributed on *nix!?!?
Seriously... Jesus. - ashgtx, on 11/20/2008, -14/+51Who needs Silverlight when you have Flash? Adobe has been kind enough to even release a 64 bit version just for Linux. And then their is Air.
- motters, on 11/20/2008, -9/+42The Moonlight implementation seems to be sailing too close to software patent disaster for comfort, since according to Wikipedia Microsoft allowed "access to the Silverlight Base Class Library APIs, binary codecs and test cases available to the Mono team, none of which are available to other members of the public". Unlike the C# language itself as far as I'm aware no ECMA standard exists for Silverlight, and as such a free software implementation of it may be on legally shaky ground.
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: : : : : : :¯’’~~~~~~’’’ : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : | : : : : : : : : : - inactive, on 11/20/2008, -13/+35I have to admit that I am skeptical of M$ developing anything for Linux. Since their pay for license software is all broken can they (or are they really willing) really produce a free program that will work?
I think not. - csulok, on 11/20/2008, -4/+24no thank you, crashes by flash, cpu usage maxed out by the horrible port is more than enough. one forced addon is more than enough.
secretly i'm hoping javascript + svg + replaces both these craps soon. - nickpick, on 11/20/2008, -0/+16Flash is not a language. ActionScript is.
- revenz, on 11/20/2008, -16/+32i for one am a fan of silverlight (yeah go ahead microsoft haters bury me) it brings a strong programming language/framework to the client (C#/.net) - which is far superior to flash. you can hate microsoft all you want, but the one thing they do really well is .net and visual studio. moonlight going into beta is a very good thing
- kbrower, on 11/20/2008, -0/+16this is good for netflix on linux, but we need silverlight 2.0 and that is not close to being done as far as i know
- revenz, on 11/20/2008, -12/+27any decent .net developer? flash is a rubbish language compared to C#.
- redrighthand, on 11/20/2008, -2/+16Netflix for Linux perhaps?
- clickwir, on 11/20/2008, -10/+23No thank you. I won't use silverlight on windows, there's no way I'd use it on linux.
- krackle, on 11/20/2008, -2/+14@Snarfy What are you talking about. They released the linux / solaris flash client BEFORE everyone else.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/64_bit_linux_adobe_ ... - mbradbury, on 11/20/2008, -0/+12Currently Linux is the only OS with a publicly available 64 bit version of Flash
- greensky, on 11/20/2008, -5/+15My only gripe is that if Silverlight ever takes over and flash goes to the wayside, Microsoft will drop Silverlight for any non-MS platform like a hotcake. Take a look at the history of IE on Macs.
- benologist, on 11/20/2008, -2/+11As someone who uses both extensively.... C# is much better but ActionScript is well on it's way to awesome.
- westsayyid, on 11/20/2008, -1/+10why should i install silverlight?
what am i missing without it?
the only places where it seems to be used are on the MS web sites. that's hardly a reason to install it. - InetRoadkill, on 11/20/2008, -10/+19Do not want.
I'll stay with established and open industry standards. Adopting M$ standards into Linux just encourages M$ to refuse to play by open standards. Just say no. - inactive, on 11/20/2008, -2/+11Never applied, however their broken crap has made me tons of money. :)
- marnaq, on 11/20/2008, -0/+8Then what's the point of GPL if you need a deal with Microsoft to distribute it?
- diggerpleez, on 11/20/2008, -4/+12Silverlight will never be the success that MS hoped it would be. All the apps look antiquated because the creative/designer types will never choose it over Adobe Flex and will never give it attention it needs in that area. As programmer myself, I can quite honestly say that we generally suck at design and are bound to those guys to make our stuff look worth a damn.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -1/+9You're kind of slow, aren't you?
- Langford, on 11/20/2008, -8/+16It's IE5 for unix, all over again.
- inactive, on 11/20/2008, -1/+9they don't even have 64bit for the other OSs
You could still use 32bit in the mean time.
Unlike moonlight which was totally useless for the olympics - inactive, on 11/20/2008, -7/+15Useless like during the Olympics the Moonlight version was too old to be compatible with NBC's coverage using Silverlight. Moonlight will always be behind.
At least with Adobe the releases are in unison. - Langford, on 11/20/2008, -0/+6It took many long years for Microsoft to support of PNG in any way, and thats without PNG being a thread to any of their own products. I seriously doubt they will ever support SVG in any way, let alone a sophisticated implementation that included sound and other things that are yet to be developed by those who are genuinely interested.
- nickpick, on 11/20/2008, -3/+9I agree. Besides, never visited a site that actually used Silverlight, except Windows Update. The irony...
- deaftly, on 11/20/2008, -7/+13Cue the MS hate.....
/too late - JustLetGo, on 11/20/2008, -16/+21silverlight lol
- freesf, on 11/21/2008, -2/+7Your "M$" just shows that you are clueless and ignorant on the matter
- motters, on 11/20/2008, -1/+6Yes, some time ago. This effectively means that you could get sued for patent infringement if you distribute Moonlight on any Linux distro other than SUSE. If this were to happen it would allow Microsoft to say "look, those people using Linux are really just intellectual property thieves", thereby scaring business users away.
- Skyview, on 11/21/2008, -2/+7Hooray for another closed standard by MS !!
I'm not a Microsoft hater by long shot. But Microsoft is not in the position to EVER give Linux a fair treatment. Just look at accessing Hotmail from Ubuntu "this version is not supported" and you will have lots of errors trying to send e-mails. How about we stick to the existing standards and companies like Adobe there. I know that Adobe is not the perfect Linux supported but at least they have to opportunity to. If they (Adobe) choose to bring all their products out on Linux they are not alienating their business model as Microsoft would... - KibibyteBrain, on 11/20/2008, -1/+5I don't think it will be an issue one way or another. Microsoft wants Silverlight to be a success, and their business model around Silverlight is built all around developers and servers. And to be a success in the context of all the competition it has well require very not-Microsoft of the past behavior which I think they are already aware of getting into this. So in practice, I think they will be very liberal about any legal moves that will be necessary to make the client-side of Silverlight as accessible as possible. Now for the server end...that is a different story...
- RobotBuddha, on 11/20/2008, -0/+4Netflix needs 2.0? If so, man, that's unfortunate. I was really hoping that moonlight might be able to finally solve their long standing lack of linux streaming.
- Snarfy, on 11/20/2008, -9/+13How long did it take adobe to release a 64 bit linux client? Flash is no better. We need an open standard.
- nickpick, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4Netflix running on Silverlight? Really not a problem if you're outside US.
- Fingel, on 11/21/2008, -6/+10Haha silverlight. Not worth slowing firefox down a few ms to load the extension I will never use.
- effiejayx, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5No thank you...
- csulok, on 11/20/2008, -2/+6IE is going down, slowly but surely. silverlight on the other hand can infect retards and their alternative browsers too, there's nothing standing in its way.
so even if they never support svg, with the death of IE that will be fixed - benologist, on 11/20/2008, -2/+5Wasn't Novell specifically assured protection against patent infringement by some agreement with Microsoft earlier this year?
- mudfly, on 11/21/2008, -5/+8Hmm wow really, silverlight, no thanks! ***** you Balmer!
- SirSid, on 05/27/2009, -1/+4What about photosynth?
- Peterix, on 11/21/2008, -2/+5I agree with clickwir. Mainly because I've never seen it work.
Hell, I tried. I installed it on many Windows machines just to try it - XP, Vista, 2000, I even tried running it in Wine. I used different versions of different browsers with different versions of silverlight. All this completely failed. None of the silverlight sites ever worked for me. NONE. I wasted a whole day on this crappy thing - which is just too much.
tl:dr version: Silverlight is irrelevant binary garbage that's not worth paying attention to. - DickBreath, on 11/20/2008, -1/+4> I'm guessing Microsoft wanted to keep output the same across platforms.
Well, I'm sure they do this year at least. Next year, who knows. - nickpick, on 11/21/2008, -2/+5To be frank, there are very few Microsoft products that didn't follow their classical development cycle:
1.0 New "okayish" product which lacks any functionality -> 2.0 Better product with solid functionality -> 3.0 complete disaster that no longer complies with 2.0 or 1.0, has a bunch of useless yet very "friendly" features and gives the impression that the GUI artist is a 3-year-old genius.
Is that a reason enough?
There are some MS apps that I like, e.g. Visual Studio, but the rest are just getting worst and worst. Even the Office, which was always a ray of light among MS software, is resembling Lego now. - Hermmunster, on 11/20/2008, -3/+6Not interested. Don't want Microsoft products installed on my computer.
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3"You cant write server side in ActionScript"
No *****, that's why ActionScript is used in Flash, which is client-side. - ldog, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3One thing you can do for vector graphics with animation is to use dojo's gfx package. This keeps the calls simple and abstract. It renders in VML on IE, and SVG or Canvas for everything else.
Doesn't help much with sound and video, but does give you an open source option to flash and silverlight for things you can't do in plain dhtml. - fuse13, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4You cant write server side in ActionScript. Also, the vast majority of flash developers dont write very good code. I actually think the fact that Silverlight is starting with C# will bring people in from the development side, as opposed to creatives who have learned how to code.
If you are claiming C# is rubbish with an understanding of the .NET framework and all that jazz then you are entitled to your opinion. If you are claiming it is rubbish compared to ActionScript, then you are making a pretty silly comparison. - Hermmunster, on 11/20/2008, -4/+6First, it wasn't a peace deal. When an entity which is part of a greater whole decides to turn and work with the enemy it is considered traitorous.
Second, I've no intention of putting any software from Microsoft on my computer, period. I'm not going to have those deviants spying nor will I allow them to monitor. And, I take silverlight off all my customer's computers whenever I see it. -
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