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- vvvladut, on 07/25/2008, -3/+27What is Ubuntu supposed to do if not try to outdo its main competitors? Should it go the KDE4 way, who is trying to "reinvent the desktop paradigm"? Should it start innovating right and left, alienating what user base it has gained by having a reputation for friendliness and ease of use? I say it should try to best Apple and Microsoft first - in its own way of course, which implies a lot of innovation - instead of trying to be different and "break the bounds of convention".
And what's wrong with conventions, anyway?... - charlie763, on 07/26/2008, -2/+20Microsoft is probably better off not taking action and instead maintaining the fear that they may take action.
- hollyminkowski, on 07/26/2008, -2/+15MS would have already started seriously hassling the Linux community with patent actions if they weren't afraid they would piss off IBM. IBM has lots of patents they could threaten MS with.
Mutually Assured Destruction. - Snap65, on 07/26/2008, -4/+15If people stop asking him questions about MS and Apple then we won't have to hear his thoughts about it.
It's that simple. - daftman, on 07/26/2008, -0/+9It's not very hard to beat Apple. Although many fanboy would claim that the only way to beat Apple is to have something EXACTLY like Apple but some how magically better. At the end of the day, it's the bottom line. If Ubuntu manages to sell more units, more services and generate more profits, it's will beat Apple.
Microsoft already has done this in the early 90s while Apple was following the exact same strategy as it is now.
As for beating Microsoft, that's much harder but it helps tremendously when Microsoft constantly shooting itself in the foot.
As more people use web services such as Google, Yahoo, Youtube, etc, the significant of an OS decreases. I believe within the next few years, most people don't really care what OS they are using as long as they get connected to their favourite website, write their documents, watch their movies.
That is when you know that Linux is successful on the desktop, laptop, cellphone or whatever. - Stemp, on 07/26/2008, -0/+9http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/118
Microsoft is not the real threat :
«So, Microsoft is not the real patent threat to Linux. The real threat to Linux is the same as the real threat to Microsoft, and that is a patent suit from a person or company that is NOT actually building software, but has filed patents on ideas that the GNU project and Microsoft are equally likely to be implementing.» - rameznabel, on 07/26/2008, -5/+12if the *****$ want the war lets give them
- christianboutin, on 07/26/2008, -0/+7"Shuttleworth was responding to a question about how developers could protect themselves against patent and intellectual property issues when it comes to contributing code to open-source projects. He initially said, "GPL V3 is a good solution ..." But pressed on the threat regarding Microsoft, Shuttleworth said he does not think the software giant would pursue a claim."
So really, how can he NOT speak about microsoft when he's being bombarded with questions about them? - kipmartin, on 07/26/2008, -0/+7Cutler made his basic NT source code public years ago.
- daftman, on 07/26/2008, -0/+7I think you use alot of words (innovation, conventions, guidelines) withought knowing exactly what they mean. Do you work in the marketing industry?
There's absolutely nothing wrong in taking competition against Microsoft and Apple. That is what Shuttleworth want to do all along. Ubuntu is his long term investment in the software industry and at one stage, he is bound to take up competition against the BIG TWO.
The whole point of competing is to OUTDO your competitors and the whole point of innovation is to improve upon what's existing.
Furthermore, I have no ***** idea what you meant by "innovate your own guidelines" ???? - combatchuck, on 07/26/2008, -1/+7i no idea what you talk about! pls english learning first then spam digg! it more effective
- daftman, on 07/26/2008, -0/+6Sadly, I wasn't been a grammar nazi. Next time read the whole post before allowing your itchy fingers to start replying.
- hugolp, on 07/26/2008, -0/+5Whats wrong with trying to beat Windows and Mac? Why should Ubuntu go against other Linux distributions? What you say makes no sense.
- Archer007, on 07/26/2008, -1/+5Yep, classic FUD tactics.
- wonderbriefs, on 07/26/2008, -1/+5What?
- localzuk, on 07/26/2008, -0/+45% is a huge amount, considering Linux was simply a hobbyist OS just a few years ago. So long as they keep doing what they're doing, they will eventually succeed.
- twiztidsinz, on 07/26/2008, -1/+5Dugg.
Doing my part to make sure as many people see this comment and decide weather or not to block you as I can. - jay019, on 07/27/2008, -0/+3microsoft is the george bush of the software world.
- zeebo, on 07/26/2008, -0/+3What guidelines should Ubuntu innovate to follow? The Gnome Human Interface Guidelines? Those already exist and aren't a copy of anyone elses, even if they are based on some similar scientific research. Business guidelines? They aren't trying to copy either Apple's hardware-based or Microsoft's marketing-based business strategies.
Personally I think they've taken a step in the right direction with the versions of their distro designed to run totally from embedded flash. Five years from now embedded linux environments will be standard on every motherboard sold (even foxconn ones) and thanks to improvements in virtualization if you boot Windows up to run some legacy app, it will be totally virtualized, allowing it to be protected from having to rely on its own firewall, and keeping it sandboxed to protect the system from viruses. - Myztry, on 07/26/2008, -3/+6That makes them sound like a Police force.
For the most part, it's the fear of potential action that keeps the populace compliant.
For if the populace rose up, the police would indeed be overwhelmed.
It's a psuedo stance. Microsoft is not a Governing body.
It just likes to think it is. In reallity, it's just a company structure. - rodrigo74, on 07/26/2008, -0/+3You should get yourself informed.
- twiztidsinz, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4Oh man!
That was some SERIOUSLY awesome copy/paste action. You're so pro at it!!! - kahrn, on 07/26/2008, -1/+4What about the patent issues they brought up in order to scare developers and make money? That's just asking for trouble. They want war -- but only when they know they can win it. I think they're beginning to realize that they're losing.
- Atomic1fire, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2And you don't have to be the same as your competitor to compete, but you should try to beat your competitor at its own game albeit playing more on your strengths and less on theirs.
ubuntu should try to look more accessible (such as taking a few hints from apple and microsoft) to any user
but at the same time it needs to play on its own strengths as well - JonForTheWin, on 07/26/2008, -0/+2Because they make ***** software defiant of standards compliance making life hell for System Administrators who actually know what they're doing.
- jay019, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1lol
- jay019, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1Tell that to Sony and Tivo and other hardware manufacturers who use linux in their products. Im sure the will listen to your ravings.
- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2I just creamed in my pants.
- earthforce1, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1I wonder how many IBM compiler patents they violated when the built the linux kernel?
IBM speaks softly and wields a very large stick. Ask SCO - don't start a patent fight with IBM - Oh that's right, they aren't around anymore, are they? - inactive, on 07/27/2008, -0/+1DO NOT WANT
- tuxb0y, on 07/30/2008, -0/+1this guy is like getten a lot of attention atm which is good 4 ubuntu ;)
- nephilimx, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2Whats that got to do with "filed suits against free software developers"? SCO offered MS, intellectual property licence for a large ammount of money. Has little to do with suing free software developers.
- int19h, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1If they want it or not, they have irritated enough people already.
Not by being successful, but by bothering users with unnecessary worries, tricking users into paying for things they don't need, making it hard for users of free software everywhere, breaking the law and also creating artificial limitations wherever they could. - sx66gns, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2I'm fighting it daily in the shop.
- localzuk, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1And look how well that went for them. I think 'biggest mistake SCO ever made' would sum it up...
- Kral, on 07/26/2008, -0/+1McBride and family will be walking away with millions (remember, his brother is acting as lawyer so that money is being siphoned away safely), the SCO executives who had started stock sell-off plans in expectation of the pumped prices will be walking away with millions, Microsoft got years worth of negative publicity against Linux for a bargain and laid the foundation of fear that the Novell and Xandros patent agreements play on, and Microsoft's opposition is going to get stuck with absolutely huge legal bills they can't get back as SCO is doing its best to drain all the money they have left before rulings against them.
I think both Microsoft and SCO's executives are pretty pleased with the outcome, don't you? - fuzzynyanko, on 07/26/2008, -1/+2I can understand Microsoft's stance to some extent (but not all the way). A company is throwing millions into developing a product, and makes money off it. That brings food to the table for some people. Someone creates a product with similar functionality and even a similar UI, but releases it for free. It's not much right now, but it could be a threat if done too often.
- brickbat, on 07/26/2008, -3/+3F O R S P A R T A A A A A A A A ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
- Giga, on 07/26/2008, -1/+1And by Linus Torvalds, you mean Richard Stallman...
- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -0/+0I adore this man.
- Pzycho, on 07/26/2008, -2/+2Slugworth: Wonka does not want gobstopper
- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -0/+0tool.
- inactive, on 07/26/2008, -0/+0Shut up *****. I hope you suck on dicks all day long.
- zeebo, on 07/26/2008, -1/+1Because they've been taxing the sale of virtually every PC for twenty years and they've set Operating System software back at least a decade by killing off innovative companies like Be? There are features that Microsoft originally announced for Windows 95 that still aren't in Vista.
More importantly though, they haven't been a software company for a long time. They don't produce innovative new software products, at best they buy them, at worst they create proprietary clones that won't interoperate with the original version and then use that to lock users and developers to their platform.They're essentially a marketing company. They should just spin off their software divisions and concentrate on their strength.
Corporate monopolies are not a good thing, IBM never should have given Microsoft the position of sole OS provider for their PC. - Kral, on 07/26/2008, -4/+4Microsoft /already/ filed suits against free software developers. Remember SCO? Remember the leaked Mike Anderer memo that showed 'senior Microsoft executives' hooked SCO up with funding from Paul Allen's investment company then funneled the money through RBC to hide the connections?
How quickly we forget.. I wonder when Microsoft will release SCO 2.0? - twiztidsinz, on 07/26/2008, -3/+2I think you, by calling him an attention whore, have him confused with Linus Torvalds....
- WindsorBoy, on 07/26/2008, -3/+1All this talk about MS suing the Linux community is so much air. As much as the community wishes things were otherwise, Linux is NOT at this moment a serious threat to Microsoft. Desktop market share is going no where, sitting perhaps at 2-3%, and server market share is gradually eroding with the possibility that MS could reach parity or even surpass the total number of Linux servers deployed within three years. So, when you're winning anyway why take the politically risky road of suing a community that is very slowly fading away anyway?
No, MS's current threats come from two other places: the Internet cloud and Apple. Compared to the impact these two could have on MS's future profitability, Linux is just an interesting rash that seems to be clearing up all by itself.
Now, don't get me wrong. Linux will continue as a vibrant little community for years to come, but it will not be a serious threat to MS any time soon and as long as it is not a serious threat then there is little reason to expect MS to be going to court. - inactive, on 07/26/2008, -5/+2http://ultimatequiz.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/o- ...
- lebaige, on 07/26/2008, -4/+1Microsoft is one of the great success stories in American commerce, why so many people want to see them fail is baffling.
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