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- coastie, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22This is the BEST reply to all of this I have seen yet. Really brings the focus where it should be, on the FOSS community. Novell has made a deal that they say will bring about all of these great things....but when you get down to the nitty gritty, Novell is now the ONLY ENDORSED VERSION OF LINUX. That is a big upperhand in the coporate world.
- jsd8cc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+20It's called SWAT.
http://samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/SWAT.html - coldphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15Precisely, Novell is taking the easy way out...doing business with MS, thats just ludicrous.
- DoctaStooge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11If you want to see a GUI for Samba configuring, stop bitching about it and help. This is open source software after all and ALL people are welcome to make changes as they see fit to make the software better.
- cmost, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15"Stop whining... and come up with a useful gui for your product... having to manually edit smb.conf to share files with windows is one of the main reasons why users won't switch to ubuntu or other linux distros!"
Obviously you don't know how to use Google or other search tools. In addition to SWAT (which I highly recommend btw,) there are a plethora of graphical tools to manage SAMBA. Here's a brief summary: (from http://www.samba.org/samba/GUI/)
There are now several GUI interfaces to Samba available. Some of them are listed below and I will add the others as soon as I can find the URLs.
GOsa - A PHP-based administration tool for role-based managing of accounts and systems in LDAP databases.
GOsa is a PHP-based administration tool for role-based managing of accounts and systems in LDAP databases. Standard configurations can manage generic, POSIX/shadow, postfix/cyrus/sieve, pureftpd, fax, and samba 2/3 accounts in LDAP. It has plugins for system/terminal management. The look and feel can be easily adapted to users' needs.
Smb4K - An SMB share browser for KDE
Smb4K is an SMB share browser for KDE. Its features are inspired by Komba2 by Frank
Schwanz. It uses the Samba software suite for an easy access to the SMB shares of your local network neighborhood.
LDAP Account Manager
LDAP Account Manager (lam) is a webfrontend for managing accounts stored in an openLDAP server, including Samba 2.x and 3.0 user and host accounts.
SWAT - Samba Web Administration Tool
This is a web based GUI manager that comes with Samba. You can have a look at the SWAT demo page if you want to know what it can do. Note: [1/7/01] The swat demo page is currently off-line.
Webmin
Webmin is a general web based unix administration tool with a Samba component. Have a look at the Webmin pages.
SMB2WWW
This SMB2WWW is an extension to smbclient, so you can use it directly as a CGI-binary. You can get more information at http://www.scintilla .utwente.nl/users/frank/smb2www/.
smbconftool
This is a Java based tool for smb.conf editing. It is the only one I know of that preserves comments in existing config files (which is something I've been trying to work out how to do with SWAT).
You can find out more and download the sources from here.
smb-mode.el - Emacs mode
smb-mode.el is an Emacs mode for editing smb.conf.
xSMBrowser - a GUI interface to smbclient
Jeffri Fox has written a browser interface using smbclient. You can find out more and download the sources from here.
GSMB - a GTK interface to smbpasswd
Laurent Foucher has written a GTK interface to the smbpasswd encrypted password file. You can find more information at the GSMB home page.
gnomba - A GNOME SMB Subnet Scanner
Gnomba is a GUI machine and share browser for the SMB protocol. Gnomba allows you to scan any number of subnets for machines with SMB. The workgroups, machines and share are shown in a tree-view. For each machine you can then view the list of shares, and mount, unmount or browse them.
jags - Yet Another GNOME SMB Client
Jags is a Gtk+ based "windows network neighbourhood browser". The program parses the output from smbclient and use this to display a graphic view of the network. This program does the parsing with help from shell- scripts.
komba2 - A KDE SMB Subnet Scanner
Komba2 is a GUI machine and share browser for the SMB protocol. Komba2 allows you to scan any number of subnets for machines with SMB. The workgroups, machines and share are shown in a tree-view. For each machine you can then view the list of shares, and mount, unmount or browse them. You can also search a machine by name or ip.
konqueror - KDE File Browser
KDE's filebrowser Konqueror can access smb filesystems using smb:// URL's.
KSambaPlugins
KSambaPlugin is a KDE 3 plugin for configuring a SAMBA server. It consists of two plugins, a KControl Center module for all SAMBA options and a Konqueror properties dialog plugin for quickly configuring the SAMBA share options of a directory.
tksmb - Tk Frontend For Smbclient
TkSmb provides you a graphical interface for browsing Windows networks. TkSmb does this by being a graphical wrapper around Samba's smbclient program. Using this program you can easily access different workgroups, hosts, and shares on it, mount this shares.
B+B Samba Admin Tool
This is a graphical config tool created by HP to go along with their port of Samba to MPE/iX. The tool is freely available.
ChangePassword
This is a web-based tool that allows users to change their unix,samba and squid password using a web-based interface. Freely available here.
smbc - Simple Samba Commander
Simple Samba Commander is a text mode SMB network commander. With SMBC, you can browse your local network or use the search function to find files in a share. You can also download/upload files and directories or create them both locally and remotely. SMBC features the resume capability and UTF-8 encoding support.
SMB Web Client
SMB Web Client is a single PHP script to access Windows Networks similar to Windows Network Environment. It requires smbclient, PHP 4.1.x+, and a web server.
Davenport WebDAV-SMB Gateway
Davenport is a servlet that makes it possible to access samba-shares via webdav through a servlet-container. It allows access to samba-shares through a firewall/proxy without the need to open the smb-related ports and without a VPN-client. See http://davenport.sourceforge.net/ for more info.
QtSmbstatus
QtSmbstatus is a GUI for smbstatus. It is meant to provide the possibility of administering remote machines. QtSmbstatus was designed as a client/server system (with SSL). Possibilities include: view connections, disconnect a user, or send a message (with smbclient -M). For more info see, http://qtsmbstatus.free.fr/.
Samba Console
Samba Console is the first console developped for IMC (IDEALX Management Console). It offers a simple and ergonomic interface for managing a Samba domain controler. The goal is to give a better experience to the new Linux administrators that need to manage a production Samba server from anywhere using a simple web browser.
LDAP Admin
Ldap Admin is a free Win32 application for managing LDAP directories. This tool lets you browse, search, modify, create and delete objects on an LDAP server.
SMBNetFS
SMBNetFS is a Linux filesystem that allow you to use samba/microsoft network in the same manner as the network neighborhood in Microsoft Windows. The program uses fuse() and libsmbclient. Currently SMBNetFs work on Linux 2.4/2.6, but should work also on FreeBSD 6.0.
IntegraTUM WebDisk
IntegraTUM WebDisk is a free web application which gives you direct access to a file server. It is written using Java Servlets and the jCIFS library. Supported file servers are Samba, MS Windows and NetApp OnTAP and those based on the CIFS-protocol. - ScornForSega, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I'll give you that, but wtf is up with the RHCP link?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9Some distros come with a samba configuration tool. Redhat has a nice one and SuSE can do it through YaST.
I've really only used those two distros, but I'm sure some other distros have them too.
And command line configuration isn't a downside its an advantage. IMO. I can ssh into my linux box and make some configuration changes to my web server force apache to restart and poof its done without ever having to use the graphical environment to do it. - Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9"mount -t smbfs"......is all I need. That was easy.
- rhettnyedotorg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8i'm not going to digg your comment up or down though i think your 'sour grapes' comment is ignorant.
you either support FLOSS or you support Microsoft.
what good is blurring the line between free, libre, and expensive, proprietary?
I say hooray to the samba team for this comment, i hope the JPEG, MPEG, SSH, and all the other OS standards-based groups do the same.
digg that up or down. - jacobmp92, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8QUIT
POSTING
LYRIC
LINKS - geronimo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7It's because they lost so much money on Suse the suits at Novell decided to recoup their loss. What is in it for microsoft is continuing the FUD after SCO went down in flames as you allude to. Now people think that open source software suffers from patent issues, which is what Microsoft wants people to think. If you believe Microsoft wants to improve Samba and help linux then you are flat out wrong. Microsoft was behind SCO and they're behind this FUD. People talk about Microsoft improving Samba or developing a better samba for linux. Given the past, I don't believe it - actions speak louder than words. MS will keep promising they'll play nice until the cows come home, until they actually do play nice, you'll have to forgive me for not believing microsoft.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5That's not it at all. The fear is the potential for seeing impure code in OSS that's only legal under this sort of program. Personally I'd have no problem with Novell selling proprietary add-ons given that they are completely seperate to any GPL'd code. That way they could continue to use and support OSS while offering binary blob solutions to those afraid of lawsuits while we stick with and improve current solutions. The fear is Novell will blur the lines between the two.
Essentially anything that Novell gives out under the GPL has to be fully redistributable. If they can only legally provide it under patent indemnification then it isn't redistributable and thus violates the GPL. As a result they should not offer patent indemnification for any GPL'd code in their distribution and should instead use aforementioned, non-redistributable, binary blobs. - angus454, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I admire the Samba team for their stance and wish them the very best of luck in the real world of profit, marketshare and microsoft.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5The GPL can be easily modified to lock out Novell of any new code base. I am no expert on the GPL but I happen to remember GPL 3 was going in this direction. Something to the effect if you use GPL code you cannot enforce your patents against it. It will be a real pain if this has to be done just to shut down Novell, it would have been better if this remained a non-issue.
Isn't the timing of this incredible ... just as SCO is going down for the final flush this pops up? And the deal is for about what Novell paid of SUSE to begin with. Hummmm...I smell a rat. - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3This is just about Novel serving Novel's own interests. It may seem to make busness sense to them - but they forget too quickly where their 'poroduct' originally came from - and exactly who they owe their current buiness model to.
What Novel is doing flies in the face of everything the free software model was enviaged to be. (And not just because it's Microsoft either).
The OSS movement should turn their backs on them - even if it means some short term suffering for both parties. - cmdrNacho, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I think all Microsoft is doing is trying to fork the linux community more than it already is. I mean the differences between distros is bad enough without Microsoft interfering. If Suse moves to more patented software and such and MS software you can only use with SUSE then this is bad for the community.
Why hasn't Linus Torvald's say anything about this, I would really like to know what his whole take on this is !!!
Up next Suse certifications, you can get in a week, so we will have admins with certifications and are proclaimed experts, but won't know a damn thing, thus causing a lashback at linux in the enterprise sector. Then moving to microsoft servers. I can see it now. - misteral, on 10/12/2007, -4/+720 years ago (give or take) you had to use edlin in dos to configure everything.
Give linux some time, it'll get there - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Novell is sleeping with the enemy, and therefore myself, and many others are automatically suspicious of anything they do now. If nothing bad comes of it, thats great, but MS doesn't exactly have a history of playing nice with competition, so you'd be a fool to think they've suddenly changed their ways.
- Loonacy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Under GNOME/Nautilus:
Right click folder, choose Share Folder. Select Windows Share.
Voila. - blusteel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think the Microsoft-Novell deal will end up being a great thing for the free software community. Nothing unifies better then a common enemy, and now that we have one clearly breathing down our collective necks, it should clear things up for people who who don't like GPL version 3. Now, when people say “Why do we need version 3 anyway?” we can say “Here is why. We need this update because people are finding new ways to make the GPL irrelevant.” and point the the Novell deal. It may even turn the heads of a few Linux kernel developers.
- Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Jonathan Schwartz touched on this in his blog today while talking about Java being GPL'd;-
http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/fueling_the_network_effect
"And in closing, I want to put one nagging item to rest.
By admitting that one of the strongest motivations to select the GPL was the announcement made last week by Novell and Microsoft, suggesting that free and open source software wasn't safe unless a royalty was being paid. As an executive from one of those companies said, "free has to have a price."
That's nonsense.
Free software can be free of royalties, and free of impediments to broadscale, global adoption and deployment. Witness what we've done with Solaris, and now, what we've done with Java. Developers are free to pick up the code, and create derivatives. Without royalty or obligation.
Those that say open source software can't be safe for customers - or that commercially indemnified software can't foster community - are merely advancing their own agenda. Without any basis in fact.
They're also fighting a rising tide. " - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My favorite quote from the article:
"[T]he GPL makes it clear that all distributors of GPL'd software must stand together in the fight against software patents. Only by standing together do we stand a chance of defending against the peril represented by software patents. With this agreement Novell is attempting to destroy that unified defense, exchanging the long term interests of the entire Free Software community for a short term advantage for Novell over their competitors." - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Eh, I don't think it means a hill of beans. Red Hat is still the dominating player in the corporate world, and many people seem to think Novell's marketshare claims are GROSSLY overstated (given that they count Netware as part of their Linux solutions).
This is just the last grasps at straws by Novell before MS eats them alive. They're no longer relevant in the corporate world unfortunately. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@Phocion55:
Also mount -t cifs ... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@vandread:
See, this is where the idea of "Linux on the Desktop" fetches up against "Linux on the Server".
Command line configuration is not necessarily a downside. It is when there is ONLY command line configuration that it becomes a down side.
If you are comfortable using the command line, everything is great. Most admins are comfortable with CLI. Joe Homeuser generally isn't. MS and Apple have done everything in GUI for so long that the vast majority of users have never had to do anything on the command line. The average home user doesn't want to use CLI. He wants a GUI, and he wants it for everything. Even BIOS uses the mouse and as much GUI as can be had. - logic7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@cmost
Most of those tools are for browsing windows shares on other computers. From what i see there still isn't a good solution for managing shared directories on my own computer. Using SWAT is quite possible but why should anyone have to use HTTP in a web browser to configure Samba shares? Also, I just tried the KDE plugin mentioned on that page. which is a nice little app but far from being complete or usable. For example, the workgroup name could not be changed there and it was impossible for me to set up a share with access for anyone, so I ended up editing smb.conf as before. The original poster got a valid point there, although I disagree on the importance of windows-shares for the average user to accept linux. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"It's finally making Linux an industry-acceptable alternative."
While I agree a lot with what you have said I have a slightly different take on this move by Novell. Linux has been an "industry-acceptable alternative" (most often the formidable candidate) for quite some time in the server market. Mono will see a brief surge in use serving as the interim development platform for applications needing presence in both the Windows and Linux world. In the long run mono and windows API et. al. will wane in the Linux realm replaced by fully functional Linux versions of the application as vendors increasingly move to support Linux. In this game, Linux wins by default, because Microsoft has already changed its stance on Linux from segregation to integration within only a few short years. Linux will ultimately win the end-user market as the developer base grows, corporate interest rises (pouring millions of dollars into various and sundry projects), and ease of use, stability, and the average consumer becomes more aware of its availability. - stevensj2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"20 years ago (give or take) you had to use edlin in dos to configure everything.
Give linux some time, it'll get there"
Comparing modern Linux in 2006 to what DOS was roughly 20 years ago doesn't make a strong argument in Linux's favor.
Fanboy bias or not, Linux is _not_ easily configurable for most computer users (notice - "most computer users" != "most linux users")
People have a (well deserved) right to be reluctant to support it. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"digg thisI don't get it. Novell took the "free" software, made a non GPL violating deal with it, that garnered HUGE $$$ and now everyone in the F/OSS community is complaining? "
They have entered into a deal which recognises the validity of, and ascribes monetary value to software patents, something which threatens us as developers, the solvency of us and our families, our values, our communities and the software we make.
They do this whilst continuing to take patches we write and apply it to their product, their product which is pretty much entirely composed of OSS developers work - work that could be threatened by patents, done by people who could be threatened by patents.
It's like the fattest turkey on the farm forging 300 votes for Christmas so it will be allowed to live, and arguing "yeah, but think how much better life's going to be for ME".
"This exact scenario will be the end of Linux in time. As soon as businesses learn how to circumvent GPL and make real money off of others efforts, then Linux will wither and die, as nobody will want to develop for it."
Yeah, because development of Open Source software has always hinged on whether or not companies are exploiting it.
BTW, the GPL is already being circumvented by lots of companies to do just what you say, through the server-client loophole, and through Tivoization.
I don't see the walls of the Open Source world crashing down.
- mtcook01, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I have used linux servers user for more than 10 years now. I love the OS but really have no issue with Novell working with MS. I think that GPL is great but not every software package can be open source nor free. Its just not practical... People have to eat and pay mortgages.. A partnership with MS is a good thing and helps to validate Linux for the enterprise and possibly event he SMB market. Samba is a great tool, but again its a hack. It would be very nice to have a non-hacked file sharing protocol that was supported by MS. I only see good things coming from this... Anyways that's my take on this.
- cronot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@troydoogle7:
You happened to just look to a sort of man page. Most of the time you will never need to know any of the info on that page. On most distros, specially the server-centric ones, Swat usually gets installed when you install Samba (Swat is a part Samba, though not required).
If it isn't installed, you just have to use the package manager of your distro (Yast, apt-get, yum, etc.) to install the "swat" package - that should do all the part of installing and making the basic configuration of the service for you. So all you have to do is fire up a web browser, type http://localhost:901 (or use the name of the host of the server in place of 'localhost', if you're accessing the server remotely), and there you go. All you have to do is fill up some text boxes with the apropriate information, select a few options, and that's it. If you can't figure out what to fill the text boxes with or what the fields are meant for, then you just aren't fit to setup / manage a fileserver properly in the first place. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2People have accepted there is a need to defend against software patents. What is disliked is the TiVo clause. Some of us hold that its the code that is important to the community, TiVo may DRM lock their own product but we are still free to demand the source code to build our own TiVolike box as many do now.
It's not the ability to modify and run on a particular hardware item that's important. It's the ability to take the code and develop your own solution elsewhere. The best way to deal with TiVo is simply via consumer action. Take the source code and build a non DRM box and support it on the market and advocate its use. Point out how a now DRM box will be able to do the things that broadcasters bully TiVo out of doing. - cmdrNacho, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Fork the linux community more than it already is? You are joking right?"
Exactly I think you just proved my point, unless you were being sarcastic.
Yes linus can't do anything about it, but myself and other linux users and advocates would probably like to know what the main man has to say - raid517, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The SAMBA team could write their own licence - fully compatable with the GPL, but expressly forbidding it''s use for companies who ecourage or tolerate the use of software patents.
- Stonekeeper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Legal(ish) question: Could the Samba team legally disallow novel from shipping their product? I seem to recall a similar situation with SCO?
- bretticus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh btw, it's super easy to connect to a Windows file share in Ubuntu with a GUI right out of the box (for you whining morons who can't use a command line.)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3@cmost:
And not one of them comes bundled with SAMBA. Most of them aren't admin/server tools, but are rather client/user tools. Many of the server tools require an installed web server. - LabThug, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"'mount -t smbfs'......is all I need. That was easy."
Umm, this is the wrong way to fix the parent's complaint. He wants to "easily" offer a share *other Windows user's* can mount (map). I don't think the proposed mount command would work to well on an XP box.
Edit: Dangit, I could have sworn I pressed the "reply" link... It should be in the "troydoogle7" thread as a response to Phocion55. - cuzican, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I do agree with this article in a lot of ways and I know history has taught us a lot about these type of scenarios. Maybe I am not as clairvoyant as others, but I do feel that we have not seen enough current actions on this agreement to pass judgment. Can no good come from this? Time will tell..
- zupzupper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@DaveV
Just answering the question presented, if you're really curious about how to do all that you'll need to read up a bit more on Samba, personally I'd set Samba up as a Domain Controller and use group/user permissions to control the access to those various shares.
As for limiting access to the music share it's accomplished easily through smb.conf
Quit trolling.......jerk - cwcentral, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't see why you can't have a FOSS openSUSE and a Novell SLED. As long as openSUSE is always ahead of the development cycle, you got progress and yeah Novell can add proprietary stuff to SLED, but it doesn't effect openSUSE and you still get the latest and greatest in FOSS.
The Eclipse IDE comes to mind in this scenario. - bbtrev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Look at this from an administrative point of view though people! Most users can't even muster the 3 clicks and \servershare line in Windows to map an SMB share. We've essentially got a generation of baby boomers to deal with until the idea of mapping via a command line can even be considered reasonable for the average user.
- zupzupper, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Here's my smb.conf file, just get samba installed and adjust this to make your share available to other users. This file makes a users home folder available to them when they connect in addition to a share called music that is available to everyone connected regardless of user name.
netbios name is the name you want to call the server, everything else should be self-explanatory
## smb.conf ##
[global]
workgroup = COMCON
netbios name = JUKEBOX
dns proxy = no
[homes]
browseable = no
guest ok = no
read only = no
[music]
path = /usr/share/music
comment = Music Share
read only = no
## end smb.conf ## - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2As Novell is not violating the GPL, Novell can not be prevented from shipping SAMBA because of the GPL.
- JacksonEMG, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3$ sudo mount -t smbfs -o username=username,password=password //ipaddress/sharedfolder /mnt/win
That's the command I use to mount a Window's XP folder in Linux..
easy enough, if you know what you're doing... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Damn it, DoctaStooge! I am an admin, not a developer!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3@JacksonEMG:
Unfortunately, you are not solving the problem presented.
The problem presented is "How do you offer a share easily from the command line?"
You are answering "How do I attach to a share easily from the command line?"
Please answer the question asked.
Grade: F - yaosio, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Novell's reply: Then make a better product.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1@zupzupper:
That is all well and good, but what if you want to share /opt/accounting with just the people in accounting, /opt/designs with the designers, and /opt/plans with the designers and fabricators?
What if the Accounting dept has 9 people, 5 get access to /opt/accounting/AR, 4 get access to /opt/account/AP, and 2 get access to /opt/accounting/payroll, and then you want to add a 10 person?
What if you don't want everyone to have access to the music? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1What happened to the GPL being about "free as in speech" freedom?
Or, does that not apply to using that freedom in a way you don't like? -
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