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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+61I think you're mistaking Digg for somewhere where people who don't know about Linux hang out.
- Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -1/+43Dude, Gentoo was the first distro you used? Very little chance you're going to be happy with it!
Try Mepis, Suse or Ubuntu. - hombrelobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21Yes, but Parallels costs 49 dollars. This is 100% free.
But thanks :) - shucklak, on 10/12/2007, -4/+24Gentoo is my distro of choice and all I can tell you is that it is not the distro for Linux beginners. Start out with Fedora, it offers a really nice installer and it will make you feel warm about your OS.
After you've managed that for a couple of months, then start reading the documentation for Gentoo and give it a shot. Once you get used to Gentoo you may never use any other OS again. - crilen007, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28So far my experience with Linux has been terrible. Perhaps it's the distro I tried
(someone told me to try Gentoo). But unless you know all the commands, you really can't do ANYTHING.
However, I am still trying to take the time to learn. Might change to another distro so I can learn after I get everything working. - spidermanspants, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15http://www.duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Running_any_Linux_in_Windows_without_a_CD-ROM_(for_free)/
mirrored - hombrelobo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17It would be funny to try to run a virtual machine of windows inside a virtual machine of Linux. Or the other way round. I will probably try it tonight ......
Absolutely useless, of course, but that is kind of the point .... - graywave, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14site down. mirror: http://www.duggmirror.com/linux_unix/Running_any_Linux_in_Windows_without_a_CD-ROM_(for_free)/
edit: whoa, spidey beat me to it ;-) - StealthTomato, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13And he only used his pants! Amazing!
- hombrelobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Well, not really. The VMWare player exists for Linux: http://www.vmware.com/download/player/, and the easyvmx.com site seems to accept also the creation of windows machines. I haven't tried it, but should work.
- fogbog293, on 02/10/2009, -5/+16Yes, Fedora is very receptive to beginners when they can't figure out why all their mp3's, wmv's, etc. won't play in ANY media player...
- rpdillon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Cygwin is not a Linux distro. It an Unix-like API for Windows that allows some GNU utilities to be executed in a win32 environment.
Translation: it gives some "unix like" programs to windows, but nothing more. It is not Linux - Linux is a kernel.
It is a great tool though. =) - kmonihen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I've done it using VMWare Server (which was free when I tried it a few months ago) and a Windows ISO... installation was pretty painless.
- garethevans, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Cygwin is not a linux distribution, you should read the wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygwin
- isolationism, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Most people know about VMWare but I didn't know about this utility to create a virtual machine dynamically online (for free). Very, very cool application -- I only hope it doesn't get shut down because of licencing issues. If it's legitimate, then all the cooler -- but somehow I doubt VMWare would endorse its use.
- wtrex, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9loginssuck... sorry to break it to ya, but as Digg becomes more popular, more articles geared towards the mainstream crowd will pop up.
Digg is no longer just for hardcore techies who dream in assembly code... you might as well stop complaining and get used to it. - computerjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7QEMU is an open-source VM engine. Fantastic.
- jabab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The fastest way to get linux running inside windows is damn small linux with QEMU. Get the latest 50MB dsl-embedded file from
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/damnsmall/current/ - Chozabu, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8@jart
in windows half my music (OGG and MOD) wont play by default, neither will most vids(ogm etc) (in any media player? WMP and sound recorder?)
in almost any OS you have to get codecs
however with ubuntu, for example, you can get "easy ubuntu" which installs codecs and morevery easily
several people i know have got crapware installed on their windows system from getting codecs...
still, switching to an os you havnt used before is gonna require quit alot of learning, whichever way your switching! (dont switch to windows!) - neko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6It's an understandable mistake..
Just picture cygwin on Windows being like wine on Linux. It's a translator that lets the apps speak their native language to the OS. - linnerd40, on 10/12/2007, -18/+24Using Parallels Workstation is much easier. But still, I dugg, people need to get exposed to Linux.
- Thorpe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Too many connections to the site. :(
- justice7, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Dugg
i'd digg this 3 times if i could... extremely cool site utility. This is absolutely amazing for web development, run a linux web server locally while you run DreamweaverMX to code in windows... ftp like you would on a webserver..
then when finished, no need to keep the server running just shut down your VM. - DanaG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Although QEMU is very cool, it is an emulator. So you do take a performance hit when running any software under it, unlike VMWare.
- nbx909, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I do the oposite of this i run linux and use vmware server beta to run windows 2000 for office and small apps.
- dukeinlondon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Futile to require the other way round I suppose ?
- r121, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"I use Microsoft VirtualPC. It costs $40 but at least I know it will work."
You know it will work simply because you paid money for it? I'm sorry but that just doesn't hold water. - Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Many (not all, granted) programs still require multiple package downloads and several terminal tweaks to get working". Those would be dependencies, and using a copy on the system rather than its own prevents the computer having several copies of packages. PCBSD (ok, not Linux, but a FOS Unix OS for desktop use) does away with such issues by including all required packages the installer for an app., but it isn't as efficient as several apps might all use the same package, and they each have their own copy.
The solution, imho, is to include packages required in the installer and install them if needed, solving both issues. - lyzz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4VMWare is an emulator. It emulates a computer's hardware (even the BOIS). There is still some performance loss under vmware, but it's no where near the loss with qemu.
- r00t3d0ut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4There's absolutely no reason why computer hobbyists cannot experiment with other operating systems such as Linux and BSD. I agree that Gentoo wasn't the place to start but (at least) an effort was put forth to try something new. My first distro I ever worked with was Red Hat 7.3 and after successfully installing this I got too excited and tried FreeBSD which scared the crap outta me. Now with distros such as PC-BSD, you can dive into the BSD world.
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yup, has been described ages ago, when VM Player became freely avaiable, see: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2005/11/07/vmware-player-ubuntu-installation.html
- Kupop, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2 My experience has been very disappointing with Linux. I tried to install Ubuntu and it crashed during installation. I got it working but the gnome GUI didn't feel right and wasn't as fast as I wanted it.
So lets try kubuntu. It installed right this time but problems occurred with the display not allowing me to see anything on the screen.
OK, Open Suse, maybe you can help me out. Open Suse worked well but I couldn't get over those random-ass dependencies when trying to install a rpm file and I was clueless where i could get some of these files as a google search didn't help nor did any of the newbie guides.
I would have given more time to learn but half life 2 episode 1 was calling me to put windows back on my hard drive.
I enjoy knoppix alot though, this might solve my problem with only having one OS on my hdd. - Deusiah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah I use it to fire up Windows so I can see how disfugured IE has made my design, then after hours of hacks later I can finally close down that pain (sorry for the pun) that is Windows and get on with my work.
- notfaded1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Without installing anything I like dsl otherwise known as Damn Small Linux It works great off usb:
DSL is a very versatile 50MB mini desktop oriented Linux distribution.
Damn Small is small enough and smart enough to do the following things:
* Boot from a business card CD as a live linux distribution (LiveCD)
* Boot from a USB pen drive
* Boot from within a host operating system (that's right, it can run *inside* Windows)
* Run very nicely from an IDE Compact Flash drive via a method we call "frugal install"
* Transform into a Debian OS with a traditional hard drive install
* Run light enough to power a 486DX with 16MB of Ram
* Run fully in RAM with as little as 128MB (you will be amazed at how fast your computer can be!)
* Modularly grow -- DSL is highly extendable without the need to customize
DSL is a very versatile 50MB mini desktop oriented Linux distribution.
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ - dignome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@DanaG
For an x86 host and guest qemu can also be a virtualizer. This has been true for some time for user code. Windows XP under qemu used to be a very slow beast until -kernel-kqemu was introduced to accelerate kernel code.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qemu - sinfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2You left off the smiley. ;)
- CorpT, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4It's not that it's more mainstream; it's that there are so many people who digg articles for no reason. This article is a perfect example. It's pointless. And still, people keep on digging it. Why?
These things go in spurts. For months anything that had AJAX in the title was practically auto-front paged. Then it was iPod. Then it was Linux tutorials. Etc...
There is good content on the internet (and bad content). The theory is that a group of people will be able to sort out the good from the bad. This assumes that crowds are more intelligent than individuals. Obviously, this is not the case. What we get are the same things repeated over and over until there is a revolt and people stop digging it and start digging the next fad. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. - streetblader, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Try http://www.cosmopod.com
Not great but if you really wana try linux it's another alternative. It runs over the internet and uses java to allow you to control your on virtual linux box on another server. Of course it's all free. I think it uses a small plugin but again, it's easier then downloading and installing a whole system. Of course for the usual linux user, this basic box running KDE can not scale up to SUSE or ubuntu, etc. - graywave, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1use the mirror...
- DanaG, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@lyzz
VMWare emulates the peripherals, but not the CPU. QEMU emulates peripherals and CPU. I guess it depends on your exact definition of "emulate". But you're right, QEMU is slower.
@dignome
The vanilla version that I used of QEMU at http://free.oszoo.org/download.php didn't include kqemu, which is only available seperately as a binary. And as you point out, bluescreens under windows anyway.
I haven't tried bochs ( http://bochs.sourceforge.net/ ) lately, which is closer to VMWare. Any comments on using that under windows? Are QEMU disk images compatable with it? - ACalcutt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've basically been doing this with SUSE 10.1 this week with VMware workstation. I wanted to check out a desktop version of linux to see how it was. I was really happy with the KDE interface and the OS in general.
The only real pain was the 4 hours i spent installing the latest version of gaim. i needed GTK+..so i installed the latest version...then it said v2.8.8 was reported but only v2.8.3 was found... not really knowing how to fix that i ended up just installing v2.8.3 and that let me install gaim. then i needed gnuTLS to get msn working (for SSL)..so again i installed the latest version of that...and gaim was still telling me i needed it... eventually i went into the packet manager and set it to update...even though the version didn't change that somehow made it work
the other think i wanted to do was update firefox....but i didn't know how to install it... it didn't seem to use
./configure
make
make install
...and the link they gave for documenttation was really no help...its seems to me you just run it from the folder...
other than installing(which is something that would geteasier with time)...i liked the OS... installings really not that bad from command line...it was the dependencies that was a pain :-)..and when things didn't work when the seemed to be installed (prob just some mistake i made since i didn't know what i was doing...lol) - hombrelobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Sorry, the server is down, too many visitors. I have changed it for a simple page where you can subscribe to the feeds and once it's up you will get it in your RSS reader.
- thenamestj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1site doesn't seem to work right now. anyhoo sounds like fun. im happy with my windows/fedora core 5 dual boot extravaganza!
- tlehman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I can digg it,
I am all about GNU/Linux and OS interoperability, I have used VMware in the past and It worked well for me, I will give this a try as I have just fetched the Kubuntu Dapper iso. I want to also try Xen virtualization, which sounds more useful than dual booting or VMware. - hombrelobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1My web site is working again !! :) The link should work now, finally .... what a night ....
- Haplo, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2http://johnbokma.com/vmware-player/create-virtual-machines.html :-)
- zerblat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1AFAICT, you'll only need the drivers needed for Linux to run inside VMware Player (i.e. drivers for VMware's virtual hardware). Even so, normally you should not have to install drivers manually if you're using a modern distro such as Ubuntu. As long as you're using supported hardware, everything should work out of the box.
Also, when you install software using apt/synaptic or yum etc, you don't need to worry about dependencies. Just select what you want to install and everything will be taken care of automatically. - hombrelobo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have prepared a mirror also here:
http://www.wagna.com/digital-geek/394/Running%20any%20Linux%20in%20Windows%20without%20a%20CD-Rom%20(for%20free)/ -
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