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- SnowCrashv5, on 05/28/2008, -15/+34nice work on the player, too bad it requires mono.
- Sammi84, on 05/28/2008, -8/+26Yes Banshee uses MONO, which is a free software implementation of .NET, which Microsoft developed and made patents for, but please read up and stop the MONO FUD.
Most of .NET was submitted to ECMA for standardization, and so Microsoft has no rights over it any longer. They cannot sue for patent infringement anymore.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mono_(software)#Licen ... - stoanhart, on 05/28/2008, -3/+19@mazza
Nope. MS submitted the core components of .Net as an international standard. Anyone is free to implement it.
They have build their own products on top of .Net, like ASP.Net and Windows.Forms, but Banshee doesn't use any of those. While Mono is implementing Windows.Forms (which could land them in hot water), the worst case scenario is a cease and decist on the Forms component. The rest will live on. - zwaldowski, on 05/28/2008, -0/+15Unless you're crazy enough to want a library.
- geoken, on 05/28/2008, -2/+15Read up on the standard. It allows microsoft to retain claims to the patents associated with it under RAND. Under the terms of RAND, microsoft can at any time demand royalties for implementations of a standard which fall under patents which RAND allows them to maintain ownership of.
- Sammi84, on 05/28/2008, -3/+13Legally impossible. MS released their rights on .net. It's anybody's game now.
- goldfenix, on 05/28/2008, -1/+11My own assessment:
Previously I used Amarok, which I found to have some awesome features, but the program seriously locked up on me all the time.
Banshee I find to be much, much simpler. Less preferences, less options, etc etc. BUT, I also have found that it still does precisely what I need it to do. Play music reliably. It's handling of the library is pretty good too, and it has a very nice integration with the Last.fm radio station system. Plus, no more freezes and it's ram usage is WAAAAY below Amarok's.
All things considered, if you have previously found Amarok to be either a system hog or simply not reliable, or even if you want something more streamlined, I'd say switch over. - d03boy, on 05/28/2008, -0/+9So you can port C# programs to Lunix
- mazza558, on 05/28/2008, -1/+10What's the difference between a pirated/genuine file, if their tags are identical?
- watcht, on 05/28/2008, -0/+8I've downloaded it, and hell it's much faster than the previous builds, my only problem is the lack of gapless playback, but it's still a sweet media manager.
- tiftof, on 05/28/2008, -0/+8I'm willing to try another music player than Amarok. Banshee might be a good alternative since I am using gnome. But there some things that keep me from switching to Banshee: no folder list (only a library), no mysql database (might be able to live without it: Banshee seems pretty fast at handling my library) and no .cue support ...
- TheWindBlows, on 05/28/2008, -1/+8A disease.
- geoken, on 05/28/2008, -5/+12That is completely incorrect. The ECMA standards body does in fact allow standards to be passed that are encumbered by patents. The ECMA only specifies that patents required to use the standard are made available under the terms of RAND. RAND basically says Microsoft is allowed to keep all patents, and they're even allowed to force people to pay for using said patents but the fee must be reasonable and non-discriminatory.
Basically, the fact that it's an ECMA standard says nothing about the patent situation. - Avian00, on 05/28/2008, -8/+15Why is that such a bad thing?
- gabaug, on 05/28/2008, -1/+7Except Microsoft has gone ahead and granted anyone the right to implement the ECMA part for free and without restriction. I suggest reading: http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing
- EricSOzone, on 05/28/2008, -1/+6because you can set up a library with this?
Generally most people don't want to browse through all of their folders to play a song - when it could take a second to search for it through a media library. - Burn, on 05/28/2008, -0/+5It already exists, it's called Audacious.
- madwaxer, on 05/28/2008, -0/+5just glad it lets me stream from the server. i get mad when podcasts fill up my HD while i am listening to some of them. especially the video ones which i am beginning to just get audio streams of instead and checking out only the interesting software i hear about. though it would be nice to watch all of them. this might change that too.
- inactive, on 05/28/2008, -0/+4i'm still using rythmbox because of the ability to see by categories.. ie Genre, Artist, Album.. if it adds this and gives BETTER iPod support.. i'll move... until then... its just pretty
- Ademan, on 05/28/2008, -0/+4I'm really not in favor of the decision to support video as well as music. Unless it ends up being very tightly integrated, not just tacked on as an afterthought (which i can't help but think it is... considering how late in the game it's being added... although it *is* open source, and it's pretty young for an open source project)
- gabaug, on 05/28/2008, -2/+6I recommend reading http://www.mono-project.com/FAQ:_Licensing
- Ademan, on 05/28/2008, -0/+4http://audacious-media-player.org/index.php?title= ...
here's a link to the software Burn mentioned "Audacious", it can even use winamp skins... I personally hate the interface of winamp and all of its ilk, but to each his own... - SuicideMouse, on 05/28/2008, -0/+4I've never found a better music player then Amarok. I know others will disagree, rightly so as it's opinion based, but for my massive collection of music, the speed, simplicity, compatibility and wide array of functions that don't clutter up the GUI make it my favorite.
- sandyarmstrong, on 05/28/2008, -0/+4Banshee uses a sqlite database to manage all the library data (minus the actual music files), which is one reason it's so wicked fast.
If you were disappointed with the speed of older versions of Banshee, try the 1.0 betas...it's like an entirely new application. - trivialmaggot, on 05/28/2008, -2/+5what is mono?
- SnowCrashv5, on 05/28/2008, -1/+4stuff it, shill
- Dohko_Xar, on 05/28/2008, -1/+4What is wrong with Amarok?
- amrhassan, on 05/28/2008, -3/+6if it has better last.fm integration than amarok 1.4, i'm switching right away..
- jay019, on 05/28/2008, -0/+3I also like the little things in Amarok. Like the volume fading out when you exit. Very nice.
- PatrickBrown, on 05/28/2008, -4/+7Thus illustrating why .Net is crippled on systems not being licensed by Microsoft.
Also, being a standard does not relinquish patents from Microsoft. Microsoft still has the freedom to demand reasonable licensing fees for certain core patents if they wish. - Zodiachus, on 05/28/2008, -0/+3I've used Banshee for some time now and I am very happy with the progress they've made. It integrates nicely with the rest of my desktop, it's efficient, purposeful and unassuming.
I don't see why people are getting so hung up on Mono. Mono is not an important factor. The skill of the programmer using it is way, way more important than Mono. I'll take a good programmer over a good framework any day, and the Banshee team appear to know what they are doing.
I invite you to try Banshee before you make comments on its supposed performance. - gabaug, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3The proper place to get .debs for Ubuntu is from the Ubuntu Banshee team:
https://edge.launchpad.net/~banshee-team/+archive - inactive, on 05/28/2008, -4/+7Your face is wrong.
- Hellothere123, on 05/28/2008, -0/+3So much hatred.
- ptFoe, on 05/28/2008, -0/+3IT would be good if it can monitor certain folders for video files.
Like the Bit Torrent folder you download movies & TV eps too. - shoeberto, on 05/28/2008, -2/+5I really love using Gnome for my desktop environment, but I usually can't stand most GTK apps because of the whole "keep it incredibly, annoyingly, insultingly stimple, stupid" design methodology. Last time I used Banshee it seemed basically like Rhythmbox with a different icon.
Amarok, on the other hand, is still hands-down the best music player I've ever used. - SuicideMouse, on 05/28/2008, -1/+3Some people would find that an insanely annoying thing to do when they have GBs of music even in properly organized folders.
I also don't just use play lists, I like quick fast access to any song I have.
I would have to the browse for that song and that's not something I'm willing to do. - Ademan, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2Well, it sounds like you're using Ubuntu. Historically ubuntu doesn't give a ***** about KDE and all of it's applications. In fact, my experience with KDE on ubuntu was so horrible I've never tried it since... but i've *heard* that it's better on other distros, so this could be just another case of ubuntu not paying any attention to the KDE side of things.
- widgetmaker, on 05/28/2008, -1/+3music library != new file system.
- SnowCrashv5, on 05/28/2008, -2/+4you seem to misunderstand, MS wants you to use windows.forms, mono, moonlight and the whole lot of it so they can have you, and linux users by the balls later.
- Killerah, on 05/28/2008, -1/+3Yeah, plus you can't have any autoplaylist features and searching takes way longer in a file browser than it does in a media player. VLC is not a good alternative to a full blown media manager. VLC is great for video, but not practical for playing music.
- UKsHaDoW, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2ITunes has something similar.
32 Hz To 16 Khz
Doubling from 32 hz each time.
But it doesn't say Hz - priegog, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2I honestly don't know why you're getting dugg down. But yeah my first guess would be the same reason there's no itunes for linux: Nobody wants it in the other OS. MacOS fans particullarly won't use anything other than itunes even when shown the awesomeness that is amarok. That said, MacOS users is simply not the targeted audience. The fact that it has a BSD background is at this point in OS history, just a matter of luck.
- geoken, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2Yeah, a link to a statement made by a single developer on a mailing list which has since been deleted and is now only available in the internet archive. If that's not binding I don't know what is.
If a single link, an archived link at that, to a comment made by a developer on a mailing is the best Novell can do to rebut any patent claims then I'd be inclined to believe there is a significant danger.
On a side note, the inventor listed on the patent has no power and can easily be overuled by the sponsor (usually his/her employer) - SuicideMouse, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2I've never had Amarok crash for me, are you using a the new beta?
I'm not saying it doesn't crash for anyone but I'm just wondering. - lemur, on 05/28/2008, -6/+8I'm sorry but Mono is awesome.
- NTolerance, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2Seriously. How does video support get added before gapless audio playback? Playing music is such an afterthought these days with PC and portable media players.
- sn0wmis3r, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2i just tried it out, amazing last.fm integration, better than any other player so far
- KhaaL, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2I'd give it a try, but there's one fact that makes me stick with amarok: Its support for labels. even if I'd find another player that supports labels, I wouldn't want to re-label all my music...
- PainToad, on 05/28/2008, -0/+2huh? why?
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