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- vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11a vanilla firefox and vanilla konqueror are probably /very/ similar
and konqueror is a lot more than a web browser - atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12From what I know Safary code is based on Konqeror.
Best Konqueror feature is the split window that is very convenient way to browse (not to mention that it helps when you move files from one folder to another or from FTP to desktop).
Biggest problem for me is lack of automatic session saver, that's why I continue to use Opera, session saving is very clumsy in Konqueror so much so that few people know that's there. - mindtrick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Extensions made me addicted to Firefox, I feel naked with other browsers.
- Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The mplayer plugin works fine in Konqueror, as does the kde player parts.
- ThatGeek, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12When i go into linux, i always use Firefox
i dont really like konq, its just not familiar to me - Dog_Paddle, on 10/12/2007, -7/+14Konq feels like Internet Explorer for Linux.
It just feels so ugly, I don't know why. - mozzep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Yea, I always used Firefox and Rox-Filer. Rox-Filer was just so small and neat and Firefox so compatible with extensions.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Forgot this, I also miss "undo close page" in Konq (or maybe I didn't discovered it yet) that's one Opera feature that I can't live without.
- vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6please explain how, even though they have had no problems whatsoever with the kioslaves, the fact that they do it loses them points in the browser war?
there is nothing stopping anyone from creating a firefox-like browser and using the KHTML rendering engine.
what does everyone have against konqueror? is it because you think of it as a web browser first and a filebrowser second? try thinking of it the other way around
web developer constantly needing to access an ftp? no need to find some other client and struggle to get it to look like your file manager. browse and ftp and it will be just like you are browsing your hard drive. editing native files is a breeze
network transparency. it's beautiful
need to backup a cd? put it in. open it in konqueror. the audiocd kioslave will fetch the info from freedb and you will be able to drag one of the various folders (mp3, ogg and flac) to your hard drive and your cd will be backed up, along with the files properly tagged and named according to your settings
and as for the browser, I have no complaints. the khtml engine is one of my favorites (opera, khtml, gecko). not to mention the integration KDE gives. - Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Konqueror isn't embeded into the OS/filesystem. Oh and firefox can access the local filesystem, just like Konqueror and IE, so is firefox also 'embeded' into the OS/filesystem? Or do you mean that Konqueror shouldn't be packaged with the OS? It's simple to remove Konqueror from your system using most distro's package managers if they packaged KDE the right way (if not, you could always just delete the binary).
- Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Konqueror uses the same session saving as the rest of KDE. The default setup in KDE is that the session will be saved on logout, but there is an option to change it to manually saving the session. Though currently there isn't a way to *just* save Konquerors session, though I think there are plans to implement that as a feature for KDE/Konqueror 4.
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I last used Konq 3.3 and liked it a lot but have since moved on to Opera for the most part(with good ol' Moz 1.7.8 as backup). I'm such an Opera junkie now but this article is VERY interesting, feel another project coming....Big Digg (smile).
- metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Dude more people use IE then any other browser.
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I always felt the design of Konq was way different from IE. In IE everything is 'dumbed-down' in typical Microsoft fasion. Konq, however, has so many options, bells and whistles it hard to know where to start to configure anything. I don't consider this a good thing (yes, I am praising IE, OMFG!), but at least the options are accessible. Hopefully they'll work on simplifying the interface in the future.
- barius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4For me, the best setup is FF for Internet and Konq for file management.
Konq has incredible support for different types of protocols: http(s), ftp, sftp, ftps, ssh, smb, etc. I don't use Smb4k anymore because I can just create links in Konq that are faster and easier to manage. Also, if you think it's cool that WinXP can read ZIP files, you're seriously living in the stone-ages. - Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Other than using it through CygWin (which would be combersome and an out of date version), there currently isn't a Windows version. It's possible that with KDE4 that one of the applications that will be made available for Windows will be Konqueror.
- daggerhart, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Is there a windows install of Konqueror? I loved it for the few weeks I used KDE.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The problem with Konqueror is that it tries to do everything. When I am using a Filebrowser I don't want it to open the file, eg. if its a HTML page I dont want the File Manager to start connecting to external servers to download images in it to provide a meaningless thumbnail.
This is the same reason I hate using Windows Explorer. But Konqueror takes this to another level. - MeneerR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Amarok is way older than iTunes. You're full of ..
Besides. Everyone uses ideas from all over the place and it's a good thing. No one is copying each other. Just because two different cheffs use eggs in their recipe doesn't mean you'll get the same meal. Nor does it make any of the two cheff cooks thieves of each other.
I mean seriously. 99% of all technology ideas arise long before any one is capable of implementing it.
Nothing anybody does is original. And it's a good thing. It's an evolution of ideas, where some ideas die, some merge with other ideas and some ideas evolve into other ideas. It's not about us.
I never thought anything nobody else has thought. And neither did you.
And until you've checked with everyone on this planet, you can't prove me wrong either.
Even this argument has problely been brought before by some one else.
Dumbass self-ish egocentric f*cked up population. Whenever there's a good idea, they are not gonna think about how to make it even better: they are gonna discuss how _owns_ the idea. Me, me, the world evolves around me.
And when it comes to user interface its even _more_ silly. It's not what works best: it is about what people expect. I talk english here, because every one here will understand me. If i would create an operation system, i would just windows, menus and a taskbar. Because every one will understand it.
I am what I am because of what WE ARE, and so are YOU.
(is the literal defintion of ubuntu btw) - greyfade, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3there is a full KDE port in the works for Windows, and a cygwin port exists, tho i can't attest to its completeness. ( http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ ) rumor has it that the core KDE team is planning a windows port for KDE4 now that QT will have a full cross-platform GPL release for version 4.
- burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I used to think I'd never be able to separate myself from the crack that is Firefox extensions, but Opera finally won me over. Other than the lack of extensions and the non-open-sourceness, I think it's a much better browser.
- CptnObvious, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3It's a good idea, Microsoft just implemented it wrong. I don't see any reason not to embed them together. Why are you saying Konqueror can't compete in the browser space because it can also be used as a file browser? If you don't use it as a file browser then just don't use it as one, it can still be used as just a web browser.
- vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I like how them being combined is touted as a feature in linux, and as a detriment in Windows."
because in windows, explorer is tied into the operating system. so when an exploit is found in i/explorer it is MUCH easier to infect the user's whole system. and new bugs are found all the time and microsoft take their time to patch them
kde is only a desktop environment. it is not tied into the operating system. when an exploit is found (which is very, very rare) it is very hard to infect the user's whole system.
the two features being combined and done right can be touted as a feature easily. which can be done easily for konqueror, but the same cannot be said for windows
also, dolphin ( http://enzosworld.gmxhome.de/ ) is another alternative to konqueror - jonnyeh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Considering open-source software is free, it's incredible what it can accomplish. I think emacs and vim are innovative. I think KDE is innovative in its customizability (a word?). I think amarok is a very good example of a desktop app that is trying new things. It's a copy of itunes, but it has a few cool features that itunes doesn't, like displaying the wikipedia article of the band you're listening to.
- MeneerR, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2All this talk about Explorer being unsafe because it's also Internet Explorer and such.
You're definately not programmers.
If both programs have the same access to the resources on the machine the security is the same. Explorer is not tied into the system either. That's just bullcr*p. Trust me, it does not speak with the kernel directly. It'll be using the same win32 api that internet explorer uses, and that firefox uses. And all browser allow to access local files.
So just because Firefox can't display directory contents so you can open certain files, it is supposed to be safer.
Internet Explorer was unsafe for a very different reason. Explorer (nor any other part of windows upto Vista) was never designed with security in mind. They had no clue internet was going to be such a hit and the implications it would have on security.
So what you have is a program never meant to execute possible-hostile-code which was transformed into an internet browser.
The idea to combine filebrowser/viewer/webbrowser is good. The only problem is Microsoft should have started from scratch. Instead of hacking up Explorer to also deal with internet..
People that come up with the security argument: please put a sticker on your head spelling NOOB. Al you do is parrot some dumb ass idea you heard somewhere else. Please sit back and think about it. And if you're not a programmer: just shut up about things you can't possible understand anyway.
Besides the first internet explorer had no turing capable parts anyway. (so it was _safe_ .. just did not allow for any 'dynamic' content of any kind) - Dog_Paddle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Woah, I have no idea why I'm being dugg down. Why waste resources on two apps, when one can do both things easily?
- Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@i440,
And what type of security problems could be created by that? The KHTML code base and the file management code base aren't lumped together. In fact, the KHTML code base is separate from the file management code base, which is also separate from the Konqueror code base, which is separate from the kio-slave framework. So please give one example of a security problem that could arise from this.
I guess you believe this also makes FireFox have security problems as well, since like I said before, it has local file views. - Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@edmicman,
Different people are the ones saying different things. The fact that IE and Explorer are the same thing is fine, the fact that IE is used for updating the system isn't though. The fact that having it opened as 'Explorer' and then trying to browse the web creates (or used to) an inconsistent interface isn't fine either. The claim that it would be 'impossible' to remove IE from Windows was also misleading and really just wrong. But Konqueror can go back and forworth between acting as a 'file manager' and 'web browser' without the UI having the wrong elements at the wrong times, and can easily be removed from the system. - vicaya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Even though I like KDE in general, I use firefox as my default web browser because of the extensions available (especially, noscript, firebug etc.) I use konqueror to browse local/network files (esp. media files) as it has superior preview capabilities. It all comes down to usability.
- regeya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Some people seem to think that because Internet Explorer being tied to the Windows OS is a security risk, that tying the browser into the filemanager on other systems is also a security risk.
There are good reasons why IE is a security risk, and while being tied into the system just makes it worse, it is not proof positive that tying a web browser and filemanager together is necessarily a bad thing. - i440, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1http://kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net/
It may be out of date, as the user above said - Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Removing Konqueror from KDE will not mess up KDE at all, in fact I could simply run 'emerge --unmerge konqueror' and konqueror would be uninstalled from my system and I would be able to use any other file manager I wanted (like rox-filer mentioned somewhere else in the comments).
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4They should be more original with it's design, right? It is a great browser otherwise, however — easily one of the best open source browsers that exist
- huiatuia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1run Konqueror as twin-panel filemanager (without quotes):
"konqueror -profile midnightcommander" - unclescary101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1this is about 6 years late
- Gman1223, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2no konqueror for windows yet, but theres a WebKit web browser for windows called Swift
site looks dead tho...
http://www.getswift.org/ - regeya, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The kicker is that Konqueror (okay, kfm, you've got me there) beat Windows to the punch. I remember reading an MS press release talking about how IE would be integrated into the next Windows Explorer...from KFM.
- Sutoka, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Konqueror is a universal file browser and viewer, and html documents are files, are they not? Should Konqueror be able to view all local and remote files, EXCEPT html documents, just because they are magical in nature? And if you say 'security', how does the existence of a KPart that allows you to manage files lower the security in a KPart that allows you to view html files? Oh and just so you know, Firefox has a local file view, its not very useful, but it has one. Does that lower firefox's security?
- CptnObvious, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Why not combine the two? both have location bars, both have back and forward buttons, both can reload, there's a bunch of reasons to combine them.
- edmicman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I like how them being combined is touted as a feature in linux, and as a detriment in Windows. Where's my rolling eyes emoticon when I need him? Personally I like my apps separate and focused on doing what they do well.
- 0v3rk1ll, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Konqueror is the Internet Explorer of the GNU/Linux world. File manager and web browser, why the hell combine the two? For file browsing I use Krusader (or Thunar if you prefer GTK+), and for surfing the web Firefox. Konqueror's just not for me. I'm glad that I have a choice though, unlike some other O.S.... :-/
- chess007, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Isn't integrating the web browser and the file manager the same security mistake Microsoft made with IE?
- Dog_Paddle, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Why not kill 2 birds with one stone?
- JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Not true. Konqueror is KDE's file manager, it IS embedded into KDE, and removing Konqueror will do the same as removing IE from a Windows machine. It's possible, but not something you exactly want to do.
- 0v3rk1ll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That's exactly what I mean. *I*, and feel free to disagree, prefer ONE app for ONE job. That's been the *nix mantra for so long and it's proven to be very successful. I don't see the need to change it.
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"Why not kill 2 birds with one stone?"
Security problems - metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1I like Konqueror. I would use it more if the mplayer plugin worked in it.
- cuzican, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4Konqueror should have learned as microsoft learned... not to embed their browser into the os/filesystem.. it's a great concept, but not if u want to compete in the browser space...
- joe7d6, on 10/12/2007, -12/+3gnome FTW!
- fani, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2Konqueror is ok. Its borrowed the feature of web browser, FS browser from Internet Explorer and I'm not happy about that. Linux OSS copies a lot from other OS's and always is on emulate/catch up mode. Why cannot it come out with totally new innovative things.
Now even the XGL is cool and all but I cannot but help get the feeling that its a Mac OS X copy
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