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- jvincent08, on 11/23/2008, -3/+52Who cares? Linux is Linux as far as I'm concerned. If you use Fedora, good on ya. If you use Ubuntu, great! If Slackware is your thing, wonderful. When push comes to shove, they're all the same operating system. That's all I care about. Whats with all the competitiveness? You'd think they're trying to sell you something.
/rant - lemur, on 11/23/2008, -5/+53Well this is happy news for me! The first Linux system I had ever ran was Red Hat (ran, not tried). This was back during a time when Red Hat was clearly the best distro there was (I kid you not).
A few years later, Red Hat earned my hatred as it slowly became too heavy to run on my machines at a reasonable speed. At that point, I defected and went into the FreeBSD closet for several years. The closet was dark, but warm.
No distro tempted me to come back into the light of Linux, although I had a keen eye for journalism and was quite impressed by the development of the 2.6 kernel (those of you who remember 2.4 know what I'm talking about).
Then one day I saw Fedora Core running on some workstations at school (during the ICPC, in fact). As bitter as I was against Red Hat, Fedora Core was just too tempting and delicious to ignore any longer; I ran home and downloaded the latest version to install on my desktop. I adored it.
Before trying Fedora Core, I had a brief stint with Debian. Debian failed to impress me the way that Fedora Core had, but I conceded that apt/dpkg was superior to yum/rpm.
Naturally, when Ubuntu hit big time I was eager to give it a shot. Even my colleagues were loving it, and they were diehard sysadmins that scoffed at "desktop friendly" distros. Ubuntu had a way to satisfy power users, administrators, and newbies all at once, making everybody happy and putting it slightly ahead of Fedora Core in the game (in my opinion Fedora catered to administrators first and newbies last).
Being an administrator, however, I saw Fedora's edge. In my hands, both distros were equally valuable and had their unique perks. As such, I alternated between running Ubuntu and Fedora on my home desktop, depending on which release was the newest.
This was quite alright for a good couple of years, but things began to change slowly. Fedora gradually improved, and one-too-many mishaps with later releases of Ubuntu had me generally put off. Fedora got so snug on all of my machines that I no longer gave other distros a second thought; even this last release of Ubuntu recently has failed to garner much of my attention.
Admittedly, I view Ubuntu as a top quality system and have absolutely no objection to it, but Fedora is truly awesome (the benefits of it are too numerous to mention here), and I challenge anybody who uses Linux to try it out and give it a serious look. Take the Fedora challenge--you may be surprised. - Nephersir7, on 11/23/2008, -1/+45Fedora has the NASA. Ubuntu has Wikipedia.
- inactive, on 11/23/2008, -5/+32Why do you sound like an infomercial?
- dirTdogE, on 11/23/2008, -0/+20There is no "IP check." As another digger has noted, every Web site or online service you use sees your IP address. They don't need permission, and it isn't personally identifiable information.
If you are concerned, stop using the Internet. - AlericB, on 11/23/2008, -0/+19Oh no! They're counting unique IP addresses! Guess what? Every website you've ever visited does the exact same thing.
- smotpoker, on 11/23/2008, -1/+19But Fedora has CERN, iirc :
- sagar1986, on 11/23/2008, -4/+22Bad logic, It is like claiming microsoft is leader of operating systems.
Anyways, Archlinux (love) - superjamie, on 11/23/2008, -1/+17RHEL is the distro of choice in a commercially-supported service provider environment. Their paid-for support is amazing, with a second-to-none response time, and quick, sensible escalation process.
Ubuntu may have the desktop, but Red Hat does indeed have the datacenter. - superjamie, on 11/23/2008, -0/+16Commercial Lunix distros make money off their support. They ARE trying to sell you something, infact they're trying to sell you the only way they can make money off giving an OS away for free.
So the competitiveness is pretty important. - hopecon, on 11/23/2008, -1/+16IMO Red Hat is the leader because all great innovation come from them lately. kernel work, plymouth, akmod, libvirt, packagekit, policykit, soon devicekit and the list goes on...
- secrity, on 11/23/2008, -0/+11Yum and up2date works pretty good on Red Hat
- schotty, on 11/23/2008, -0/+11Actually over the last 2 or 3 releases of Fedora the yum backend has gotten much much much better. As a long time Red Hat user, I know, because now I think its like comparing an 8080 to the new i7s :P
- bytor4232, on 11/23/2008, -1/+12Um, so if Fedora has 9 million users, and Ubuntu has 8 million, that makes 17 mil between the two. Thats not counting Debian, Slackware, Mint, and other popular offerings. Now, last time I heard, Apple had 22 million ( http://tinyurl.com/6y7xqj ) in 2007. Since most of us Linux users are hiding in shacks in montana, and would never stand up and be counted, does this mean that Linux is close to equaling, if not rivaling, the number of macos users?
- MacParrot, on 11/23/2008, -2/+13Is this some kind of weird "rock, paper, scissors" game?
- Youssif, on 11/23/2008, -1/+11I enjoyed reading this, and I want to thank you for the time you spent to share such experience.
- daftman, on 11/23/2008, -0/+10Leader in what? Sales? Innovation? Scalability? Security? Marketing?
Microsoft might have the majority on the desktop but I am very doubtful when it comes to cellphones, supercomputers, embedded devices, etc. - secrity, on 11/23/2008, -0/+9Various NASA labs use various Linux distros, including RHEL and Fedora.
- RandaII, on 11/23/2008, -3/+12well that's because noobs like you have to google everything for ubuntu. for example how do i install ubuntu or can i use Ubuntu on my toilet. The fact you posted this like just shows bow arrogant you are. Personally i find the ubuntu crowed arrogant, rude and obsessed. It's a Linux distro that's it get over it
- tomjowitt, on 11/23/2008, -0/+9CentOS, RHEL and Fedora are the 3 that I use for web and file servers.
They've all been solid so I've never had to go and try things like Ubuntu Server. - TheKitchenSinkX, on 11/23/2008, -0/+9It is. Being the best doesn't necessarily mean you're the leader.
- clarious, on 11/23/2008, -0/+8For desktop experience, they are almost the same as both of them use GNOME. But doing something other than that can be quite different. The last version of Fedora I used is Fedora Core 4, which is quite old so I can't really say about them now.
Oh, and KDE in Fedora is much better than Kubuntu, so if you like KDE, you should try Fedora Core :) - init100, on 11/23/2008, -0/+8Microsoft has 90% of the *desktop market*. The server market, which Wikipedia is a part of, has quite different market share numbers.
- Spr0k3t, on 11/22/2008, -2/+9In both distros, the opt-in is not in a location a new user would know about. It's something that people would have to hunt for to find the first time.
- tardpicard, on 11/23/2008, -0/+7CentOS/RHEL are probably top of the heap in the server world, at least in the US. I work on them all day. They do tend to keep things sensible. However, that should not take away from Debian or perhaps a more streamlined, custom-tailored OS like Gentoo. The available packages and repos for the latter pretty much dwarf that of the yum/rpm world
Generally speaking CentOS/RHEL are really easy to work with if you just need the basics from your server (http, smtp, smb/nfs). If you're going to to be needing some more obscure packages, I'd go with a Debian, or Debian based distro just for the available repos.
If you're fine with building everything from source every time an upgrade/patch comes out, then it really doesn't matter, do what you're most comfortable on.
One other point, if this is going to be production, I can't recommend doing fedora, especially a recent release. - secrity, on 11/23/2008, -1/+8As Fedora is essentially the development version of RHEL, it is very important to Red Hat..
- Kabloink, on 11/23/2008, -2/+8Of course the higher amount of Ubuntu searches could mean that a higher percentage of Ubuntu users are having problems and searching for solutions.
- MrViklund, on 11/23/2008, -7/+13Ubuntu - It's all about the hype.
- d0nkeym0nkey, on 11/23/2008, -1/+7Quite similar to Ubuntu actually.
- anylo, on 11/23/2008, -1/+7Yup. And some of us even play WoW with Ubuntu.
- secrity, on 11/23/2008, -2/+8I use Kubuntu at home and on my workstation at work; but the enterprise level servers all run RHEL. I doubt that I would run Ubuntu/Kubuntu on an enterprise level server.
- Culyt, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5I don't think its enabled by default though.
Realistically they could do the same thing just by checking the repo logs.
☢ - Otto, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5"Without permission"? Are you serious? They're counting the number of users hitting their update servers. Get oer yourself.
- stockblogger, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5Have anyone tried fedora? If yes, what's your user experience?
- TheMandibleClaw, on 11/24/2008, -0/+5WoW ... you're ignorant
- jvincent08, on 11/23/2008, -2/+7Okay, but Fedora isn't a commercial distro.
- Eezyville, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5So does the Air Force fyi
- tomjowitt, on 11/23/2008, -0/+5I love Fedora. I use it on my work machines (Fedora 9 and for the last few weeks the release version of Fedora 10). Like any Linux desktop, it's not perfect and you'll always need to set some things up manually but it's got great repos and it's a very smooth ride.
As someone who's not a fan of spending days setting up an OS but likes the freedom to get into the guts of the system when needed, it's perfect for me.
Yum and YumExtender are excellent utilities aswell. - tnoy, on 11/23/2008, -2/+7I vaguely remember the opt-in being shown during the installation of Ubuntu--in the alternative install CD, at least.
- 4DFX, on 11/23/2008, -1/+5The spikes are from the releases.
- ibrahimcesar, on 11/23/2008, -2/+6Another variant is "rock, paper, scissors, lizards and Spock".
- Frostek, on 11/23/2008, -2/+6I myself wouldn't quote these values as if they were carven in stone. Canonical for their own reasons seem to be erring to the cautious side and picking the lowest value of the likely distribution figures (I suppose this way they can't be accused of inflating their popularity). It wouldn't surprise me at all if the actual figures are quite a bit higher. Of course, there could be a similar pattern amongst other distributions.
- stockblogger, on 11/23/2008, -0/+4Which Linux distribution is best for the server? What's your opinion?
- lilSears, on 11/23/2008, -2/+6I would, but I don't know how to live without Synaptic PM.
- embryoinbloom, on 11/23/2008, -5/+9Wait, more people play World of Warcraft than run Ubuntu?
- derbestemann, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3i had a lot of trouble with ubuntu (with my nvidia graphics card, flash, sound, and whathaveyou). switched to fedora a month ago and all works fine now. other than that it's really similar (for non-power users like me that is)
- Waterrat, on 11/23/2008, -1/+4 The downloader for Fedora is just as easy.
- infamousjeff, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3Is there really much difference between the two(Fedora and Ubuntu) if you compile your own software? Is it yum vs apt-get?
I'm referring to the desktop space not server, just to be clear.
- stockblogger, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3Yeah, they're innovative and their support as well.
- Innuendo24, on 11/23/2008, -0/+3/envious of father
He is Director or support for N and S America over at Red Hat. What a kick ass job. -
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