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- kajoob, on 10/11/2007, -18/+159This truly is the year of ReactOS
- MusicalGenius, on 10/11/2007, -75/+152I know that I will get sunk for this, but I don't care whether you love apple or Linux and hate MS to your death bed. Stealing the whole entire LOOK of windows and practically copying everything about it to act just like it is still stealing. Cause though this is all popular on Digg and everything... if it was doing it to OSX (NOT the osx86 project) but actually doing this same thing. it would piss people off into one of the longest digg comment sections of debate.
But I guess it has to be okay if it is anti-Microsoft.
Sarcasm. - Philluminati, on 10/11/2007, -5/+74Binary compatibility = good
Copying XP to pixel = bad
By the time this is out of alpha into beta, vista will be really well established and people will be like "this is new? it looks so old". - atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -6/+60Oh, and I'm sure they will be killed by patent suits if they ever get big enough for Microsoft to pay attention.
- asdfff, on 10/11/2007, -7/+59Why are you all being so negative? I'm disappointed in you guys. Isn't this what everyone's been clamoring for? All the best aspects of open-source, with the compatibility and usability issues solved in one fell swoop by using the windoes architecture and UI. I for one will check on this project regularly until it becomes useable, then switch to it from XP.
- SupaNeo, on 10/11/2007, -7/+57History doesn't agree with you MusicalGenius. What do you think Linux is? If you say Unix you are incorrect. There's no Unix code in Linux. It was basically reverse engineered Unix, hence making Linux act just like Unix and that was NOT stealing. Unix was sold for lots of money, Linux was given away for free. Windows is sold for lots of money, ReactOS is being given away for free.
Shall I continue to point out the holes in your argument? - Waterrat, on 10/11/2007, -3/+53 Here is their home page...
A lot of progress has been made with it since the last time I looked.
http://www.reactos.org/en/index.html - dsn0wman, on 10/11/2007, -21/+64"ReactOS is a free and open-sourced operating system based on the Windows architecture"
That is just messed up. It's like saying we started a new car company, and are going to base everything on the Yugo platform. - subxero37, on 10/11/2007, -3/+40Honestly, to be compatible with Windows on any level, and yet to implement their own types of security that Microsoft left out, is an amazing feat, so I doubt that their code is even remotely close to anything Windows has. As for the ideas/concepts, most of the ideas/concepts they're utilizing are pretty standard. Even the theme: Redmond for GTK2 looks almost exactly the same as the Windows theme, but no lawsuit has followed there.
I have great support for this project -- not every free OS out there has to be UNIX/Linux based; this gives us a little variety, and a great way to see how Windows works/should work (since they're aiming for binary compatibility...) - atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -0/+30What interests me is their collaboration with WINE project...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -3/+32Logged in, just to digg you up for making me spit my coffee onto my keyboard.
- tomwhughes, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27dugg cause they didn't just use *** killer in title
- martinnn, on 10/11/2007, -3/+26I think that the ReactOS people should focus on working out their cooperation issues with the Wine-team (and v.v.). It's annoying to run into a Wine-problem, seeing that the problem has been solved in ReactOS, and after pointing out the relevant ReactOS-source code to the Wine-developers, see the response
"Wine does not accept _any_ code from ROS. Period and of story. This is not open for negotiation. If you do not agree - fork Wine and do whatever you pleased to do with it." - Chandon, on 10/11/2007, -2/+24That's like putting a giant spoiler and racing stripes on a beat up old tractor.
- Siliticx, on 10/11/2007, -13/+33Big question is...how good is this for a platform compared to let's say....ubuntu?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+24nice icon lmao
- ontheheap, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20To all of the idiots whining about how buggy it is please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_software. Alpha level software can be considered approximately 35% complete, and typically includes temporary material and multiple product-breaking issues." I really don't understand why there are so many negative comments! Personally, I think ReactOS is very impressive even at this point, and has a hell of a lot of potential.
- stauken, on 10/11/2007, -7/+26Reverse engineering = Legal. Decompiling and stealing code, no. Pirating or reusing code that you are not licensed to do so? Nope. ReactOS -- Legal as a *****. :)
- Caemyr, on 10/11/2007, -1/+18ReactOS is using some of the WINE dll`s, we are also collaborating with WINE on DirectX research.
- fireball74, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20Oh come on guys, give them a break will ya? It's in alpha right now. It's a little early still to gripe about bugs and broken live CDs and call it crap at this point. It'll be moot in a year or so, so why sweat it?
I think it's worth exploring to see if they can do Windows better than MS Windows. In time, this could be the Windows killer for those of us who have Win apps we can't live without but still hate MS with the fiery passion of a thousand Suns. - agrabob, on 10/11/2007, -3/+20I'll take it the second they get stable DirectX support.
and yes, I know it's in alpha stage. - WoollyMittens, on 10/11/2007, -4/+20OSX is allready based on BSD, what is your point?
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/11/2007, -3/+18Its been rewritten from scratch, and starting about a year ago, they have taken rigorous steps to ensure that is the case. This makes it have a chance of being "the documentation" for how Windows works. For example, no one knows the exact specifications for most things in Windows, but by having a full clone of Windows that you knew worked(at least, mostly), you could use that as a reference in your coding design, without bringing on the wrath of MS Legal. This would be good for both Linux/Unix developers looking to increase compatibility with Windows clients/servers, and also Windows developers just trying to figure out more about what they were coding for.
It would also be a nice way for especially Mid Size Buiness to finally free themselves of the chains of "that app we wrote 7 years ago for Windows that we can't afford to part with" which is probably the leading cause of Windows insanely high market share. - atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -8/+23it's supposed to be a Windows clone so you can imagine...
- tekrat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15Actually Microsoft approached them when the whole 'Windows Source Code was Released' fiasco happened a few months ago. In response the project was put on hold for about 3 months while they run a full code audit. I think it was around 12 code segments were found to be *possibly* original Windows source. They were quickly removed them and replaced them with WINE code and MS got off their collective backs.
- jhurliman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+16They didn't steal any themes, ReactOS makes a WIN32 compatible kernel, API, windowing system, etc that can run WIN32 software.
- cyberoidx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+14WOW, thanks for the pic, i've NEVER seen a better resolution before! http://www.reactos.org/media/screenshots/2007/ros_031_cpuz.jpg
- sicapitan, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17It looks ***** awful but good luck to them anyway
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+14Is porking your own mother legal now?
- FTLJohnson, on 10/11/2007, -2/+15Yes, it would be exactly like that... If over 90% of people drove Yugos. Good analogy.
- rotten777, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12hahaha that was freakin' awesome. my laugh got the cubes next to me to ask what was so funny....i'm smart enough not to explain but still. freaking hilarious!
- KibibyteBrain, on 10/11/2007, -8/+20So you'd prefer they use the Fisher Price look? No thanks. Or maybe the really cool Vista Aero Glass! Yeah, I think thats what the developers should direct their efforts toward when they are still struggling to get the nuts and bolts functionality working right!
- cawpin, on 10/11/2007, -1/+13Fine, it's a "GO" button. Happy?
- mr.hostility, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Well you can re-implement interfaces without necessarily having it look anything like the original platform technically.
A lot of ReactOS comes from the Wine project. The source code is entirely different to what Windows is.
A better analogy really is saying that your designing a new train to run on the same tracks as another train. - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11Developers still targeted Win 98 until recently. What makes you think this generation will be any different.
The majority of people will still be running XP 2/3 years from now like it was with 98. 6 years from now XP will still have a sizeable user base. Any application that does not work on XP in the next 6 years will basically be committing suicide.
Why do you think historical trends will be broken for the OS that offers the smallest incremental improvement MS have ever made. - FranTaylor, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12You mean like how Windows stole from Lisa, Plato, Xerox Parc, and VMS?
- GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13How long do you think it will take to change a theme? It's not like we have to reverse engineer it.
- skroll, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16Because Windows isn't free.
- gnuyen, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12Windows XP was a still target for 5 years.Vista is out but honestly because of the hardware requirements, developers and hardware manufactures will be targeting the XP base for another 5 years. Thats a long time to catch up. The Wine projects and derivatives are doing fairly well these days.
- jm9206755, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10As long as they haven't actually seen Microsoft's code or disassembled Windows in any way it is considered a 'clean room design' and is perfectly legal. The best example was back when Compaq(?) reverse engineered the IBM BIOS in the early PC days. The troubles they could have are with possible patent violations.
- Unclekoolaid, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8But if I made a bbq grill thats shaped like a prius, looks like a prius, but just doesnt have the Toyota logo on it, Toyota might have something to say
- ZenMasterJG, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8The project hass been going on almost a decade now... There have been threats, thats why they've just done a complete code audit to make sure everything had been implemented cleanly from documentation, and not reverse engineered.
So... um... No. - GMorgan, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9It's not about 'the new big thing' it's about one thing, market share. XP has the market share, Vista doesn't.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+13Um, actually they bought DOS fair and square. Do some research before spouting off crap you know nothing about.
- vertinox, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9@"Stealing the whole entire LOOK of windows and practically copying everything about it to act just like it is still stealing. "
Like Apple and Microsoft stole Xerox's interface? - damndj, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8All of which can be easily disabled.
- smacksaw, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Hacktastic
- sqrt7744, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8Dearest Lord, I would never use this.
- Caemyr, on 10/11/2007, -0/+71. This is still ALPHA stage
2. Most of newcomers use 0.3.1 release, which was released during the massive kernel rewrite, done by Alex. We will soon be branching v0.3.3 which is much better. -
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