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- Garfunkel, on 07/28/2008, -0/+44Long live AIGLX.
- Kcaj, on 07/28/2008, -4/+31Will this have any effect on Compiz-Fusion development? I'm really REALLY enjoying the 0.7.6 stuff, and the (as of yet) unsupported plug-ins.
- 3MM3, on 07/28/2008, -0/+27Don't you mean 'DIGG == NERDS'?
- stoolpigeon, on 07/28/2008, -1/+25Just wait until this gets posted to slashdot - later today or tomorrow - and then you can read an informed discussion on just what this means. Until then enjoy *pours 40 on curb* and such.
- lyzz, on 07/28/2008, -0/+24AIGLX was the correct way to solve this problem. Xgl was a "get it going quick" solution. Glad to see that AIGLX is supported enough to allow this to happen.
- audleylibrary, on 07/28/2008, -3/+25*pours 40 on curb*
- shadowman99, on 07/28/2008, -0/+18From Wiki:
"Xgl is an X server architecture designed to take advantage of modern graphics cards via their OpenGL drivers, layered on top of OpenGL via glitz. It supports hardware acceleration of all X, OpenGL and XVideo applications and graphical effects by a compositing window manager such as Compiz or Beryl. The project was started by David Reveman of Novell and first released on January 2, 2006. It was finally removed [1] from the X server in favor of AIGLX on June 12, 2008."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xgl
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I'm not a developer, but it looks to me as if it shouldn't be a major impact. Is this correct? - Loonacy, on 07/28/2008, -0/+18No, he was making an assignment, obviously.
- harisund, on 07/28/2008, -4/+18So does this mean this is no longer the year of the Linux desktop?
- mooninite, on 07/28/2008, -0/+14The XGL server was widely thought of as the wrong way of implementing a 3D layer in the X server. Most people in the X.org community wanted to integrate something into the already existing X server, which is known as AIGLX today. The reason XGL existed was that AIGLX required vendor driver support to work, while the XGL server could work with existing drivers.
Now that most, if not all, drivers support AIGLX or another method of 3D, XGL is unnecessary and no one in the community wishes to support it. - horsepie, on 07/28/2008, -1/+14Why do people digg down for asking perfectly reasonable questions?
- webzyne, on 07/28/2008, -1/+13No he means:
if ($Digg == "nerds") { echo "Shut the hell up"; } - Tochi, on 07/28/2008, -0/+11For my ninjas...
- jsully, on 07/28/2008, -1/+11Of course not. Every year is the year of the Linux desktop.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -0/+9rest in PAIN!!!
XGL gave me nothing but headaches - DteK, on 07/28/2008, -1/+9more like good riddance.
- sn0wmis3r, on 07/28/2008, -1/+8no
- snek, on 07/28/2008, -1/+8Since when is your computer in your pants?
- rompom7, on 07/28/2008, -1/+8Holy *****, look everybody, an internet tuff guy!
- ArthurSucks, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6Did you even read the article?
- trotskyist, on 07/28/2008, -0/+6Why?
- sweetumssama, on 07/28/2008, -1/+6I get lonely.
- bradleyland, on 07/28/2008, -0/+5Compiz-Fusion works with AIGLX, which is supported on both nVidia and ATI cards at this point, so it's not a problem.
- Mejogid, on 07/28/2008, -0/+5Nope - that will still work fine through AIGLX. XGL was a way to compensate for lacking driver support by running everything through an aditional layer of abstraction, with the disadvantage of losing 3D acceleration. This is simply a case of an obsolete technology being superceeded by a new one which has come of age.
- sweetumssama, on 07/28/2008, -4/+8Thank you, Xgl, for letting my computer become a glowing, pink monstrosity.
- Origin415, on 07/28/2008, -0/+4XGL is just the compositing layer, compiz uses it to do its fancy effects.
Beryl was forked from compiz, then the new beryl things were brought back for compiz fusion.
I've had mixed luck with VNC and compiz, so I only run it on my laptop, where I won't be VNCing into... - Checkerd, on 07/28/2008, -3/+7Spill some out for one's homies.
- PurpleSfinx, on 07/28/2008, -0/+3Your point?
- klitzbtc, on 07/28/2008, -1/+4Good riddance to bad rubbish.
- 1773nium, on 07/28/2008, -2/+5Dont forget to take one for yourself first!
- trogdoor, on 07/28/2008, -0/+2You are correct. Anyone that is still using XGL is most likely doing so by mistake ( either theirs or their distribution's ).
- billessig, on 07/28/2008, -1/+3Not gone, just the underlying tech got swapped for something faster.
- dewey, on 07/29/2008, -0/+2I actually never had an issue with XGL, I kinda liked it.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1no 3d cube for my i740 or tnt2ulta anymore :~(
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1T.I.D.
- inactive, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1reggin plz
- Vadi0, on 07/28/2008, -0/+1*****
- fragglet, on 07/29/2008, -0/+1To anyone who doesn't understand: there were two projects aiming to add hardware acceleration to the X server: AIGLX (by Redhat) and Xgl (by Novell). They came out around the same time. However, the community has settled on AIGLX and there are several technical reasons why it's the better choice. Xgl is being removed because it hasn't been maintained and nobody is really using it any more.
So yes, the spinning cubes remain, as does Compiz and hardware-accelerated X. - Kcaj, on 07/28/2008, -1/+2I think really it is only going to effect some older cards. Mostly nobody really uses it any more any way (at least for the more interesting applications it has), and AIGLX as far as I understand, is a more than worthy replacement. The more obscure and ancient your video card is, the harder you will probably be hit by this announcement...
Either way, besides slight speed over AIGLX (which is arguable), there were not too many reasons really to use XGL in the first place, as it was rather buggy and not entirely well maintained in a rather long time. - b0le, on 08/01/2008, -0/+03d acceleration wasn't lost by using xgl, only direct rendering.
- snek, on 07/28/2008, -2/+2It's not gonna work if you use single parentheses, you have to use doubles! ;p
Anyway, us NERDS run your world Dan11023.. - johni, on 07/28/2008, -1/+0Maybe I am the only one sad to see it go.
I have an nvidia 8600gt card, and Nvidia's drivers are so craptastic that regular 2D desktop stuff is too slow. See the heated discussion here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1 ...
I use XGL so that my regular desktop (without effects) is nice and smooth on this card. It turns an almost unusable KDE 4.1 into the snappy smooth desktop it should be.
I will mourn XGL until/unless nvidia fixes its drivers for it's 8xxx/9xxx cards! - alperea, on 07/28/2008, -7/+2so no more leet rotating cube desktops on youtube?
- snek, on 07/28/2008, -7/+1Ok.. So we first started with Compiz.. Then it split into Compiz & XGL.. Then it merged again into Compiz Fusion.. And now it's all gone? Or am I missing something..
Anyways, it's just eyecandy we don't really need. Personally I only tried various versions for testing but would never run it non-stop. Try VNC-ing into a machine running a bunch of 3d fx ;) - Petes256, on 07/28/2008, -14/+0RIP dev.compiz-fusion.org
- mrblue182, on 07/28/2008, -18/+2So now they are going to depend upon the graphics driver only for 3D? That sucks, especially since not even Envyng can install the driver...
- Dan11023, on 07/28/2008, -39/+4DIGG = NERDS
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