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- Ricapar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+49Because I'm not running Windows?
- nreynolds, on 10/12/2007, -2/+37maybe some people use linux?
- stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22You didn't even read the title properly. It's HD DVDs. You know, that format that just came out?
- schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16With the upcoming Nero 3, burning of HD DVD in GNU/Linux will be possible as well. There will be feature parity wrt Windows.
- nailer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13Correction: VLC does not yet have the necessary support for the latest ffmpeg. Have updated doco too.
- loconet, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16Yah, it also took 5+ years for Vista to be written in order to accommodate DRM. You should really inform yourself about the subject before speaking nonsense. This is HD-DVD/BR, something which you can't even play (properly) in windows unless you use "selected" software using "selected" monitors through "selected" connections. The reason why it's harder to get working in Linux has nothing to do with Linux's ease of use.
- erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12You would have to have a USB HD-DVD drive as well.
- InfiniteNothing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10No: PS3 linux has crippled access to the video processor and there's no HD DVD drive on a PS3. It
- nailer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11Oops, I actually modded you up because I read that as 'declaring MS not the devil', since Microsoft supporting this ***** is the basis of people who use Linux, or even Windows with a standard DVI monitor, having to waste time with this *****.
HDMI has no technical improvement over DVI (in fact, it uses DVI signalling format), asides from the minor benefit of including audio (moot if, like most people, your display and amp are separate).
If you want to waste your cash on that, Cheez, that's fine. - nailer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Oops, the comment editor timed out while I was still typing. Rest of comment:
I think a great way to fight DRM is to show how easy it is to ignore it, and access the rights-restricted content anyway.
Look at EMI Music: they've learn consumers don't like DRM, and that it's not effective. So EMI have dropped DRM.
The film studios need to learn the same things. Piracy sucks, and I completely support punishing people who distribute other people's artistic works over the internet.
DRM, on the other hand, won't stop anything, and only harass consumers trying to play the films we paid for. - nailer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8You can already burn Blu-Ray with dvd+rw-tools
growisofs -Z /dev/scd0 -R -J /dir
Assuming your Blu-Ray drive is scd0.
If there's not Gnome Toaster support or K3B support now, there will be soon.
See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/#tutorial - EnderTheThird, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7While I think this is great, I wish they could break the encryption on digital cable instead. I'd ditch my provider-supplied DVR in a second if the pcHDTV HD-5500 or any other HD tuner card could decode encrypted digital cable signals. I love the idea of using MythTV instead of shelling out $15/month for their crippled DVR with so little storage, but it's just not the greatest option for most people whose standard digital cable channels are encrypted.
Nevertheless, if I didn't have the HD-DVD add-on hooked up to my 360 & HDTV, I'd be all over something like this! - trogdoor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@Drisler For the same reason that it is hard to play HDDVD's in Windows without HDMI, it's technically illegal ( though it shouldn't be ) and requires reverse engineering the encryption ( although not totally in the case of HDDVD ).
Have you even ever tried to play an HDDVD on a Windows machine? It isn't exactly a stroll in the park either, even with all the right DRM'd hardware. - loconet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7SVN = Subversion. The code version control system, basically where developers will put the latest version first (ie: chances are, ubuntu's repository version is older than SVN's for obvious reason)
- M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7@XVampireX
Did you even RTA?
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1. Install a UDF 2.5 filesystem driver. See [WWW] Linux UDF project.
2. Acquire cryptographic keys for the disc player. [WWW] BackupHDDVD C++ (not the regular BackupHDDVD, which only works on Windows) can perform the decryption necessary to play HD DVD and Blu-Ray discs (a separate player app is also needed, see below). This app uses title keys available in an XML file format distributed at various online sources. This will output .evo files containing your disc's video and audio content. Ensure these files are saved to a filesystem supporting files larger than 4.2GB (ie,. not FAT32 or older Ext2).
3. Play the decoded .EVO video and audio files. The current [WWW] subversion release of MPlayer includes and works with the latest ffmpeg, which includes support for the VC-1 video decoder and H.264 audio. Support for E-AC3 audio format is coming soon.
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The software doesn't magically appear on your system, you have to download it. - nailer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7I think you misread my post.
Unless MSDN provided you with an HDMI monitor, in which case, I should probably renew that old subscription. :^)
Seriously though, I think a greto the at way to fight DRM is to show how easy it is to ignore it, and access the rights-restricted content anyway. - nailer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Please add screenshots to the wiki (log in, click 'More Actions' -> 'Attach').
Thanks! - DaNKBuDZ, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Finally got it to work...
- joflow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3basically, you have to grab source and compile yourself.
- Ricapar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4And for the record, playing HD-DVDs on Windows isn't exactly a stroll through the park either.
- orb9220, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3svn repositories are the latest builds with the newest features and possible breakage.
search ubuntu forums on adding svn
Ubuntu are older stable packages that maybe anywhere from 1week to 6mos old depending on the development cycle and popularity of the package. - koyaani, on 12/24/2008, -0/+2What does it mean by "this requires a very recent SVN version of mplayer..."? I've got the latest version of mplayer from the Ubuntu repositories, but I still can't play any EVO files. What does it mean by SVN?
- Combat247, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@stalefries
Ignore the fanboy/troll, hes completely ignorant.
Ontopic: Great, another reason why i should fix that ubuntu install on my spare drive. if only my hardware didn't fail. - xJVz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Here's a quick run-down of how to compile the latest SVN of MPlayer in Ubuntu; make sure you have the source repositories enabled as well [0].
[0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu
Open a terminal, and run these commands (each line is a command):
cd
sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer
sudo aptitude install subversion
svn co svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/mplayer/trunk mplayer-svn
cd mplayer-svn
./configure --enable-gui
make
sudo make install
If you want to install the win32 codecs (assuming you are using the normal x86 version of Ubuntu and not the 64-bit):
cd
wget http://www3.mplayerhq.hu/MPlayer/releases/codecs/essential-20061022.tar.bz2
cd /usr/local/lib
sudo tar -vxjf ~/essential-20061022.tar.bz2
sudo mv essential-20061022 codecs
For completeness (i.e. optional step that may come in use some day):
echo "/usr/local/lib" | sudo tee -a /etc/ld.so.conf
Explanation of what you just did:
In the first section, we changed our current directory (aka folder) back to our home. Then we installed all the programs necessary to compile MPlayer from source. Then we installed Subversion, the program used to get the latest version of MPlayer. After moving inside the directory with the MPlayer source, we ran a script inside it called "configure" which gets a source ready for compilation. We then run "make", a program that does all the source compiling into executable code (this is the longest step). Afterwards, we ran "sudo make install", another make script that installs the resulting files for use on our system.
The other steps were just downloading a file with the win32 codecs, extracting them, and putting the files in /usr/local/lib/codecs/, the directory where MPlayer (and other programs) look for win32 codecs.
The optional step adds /usr/local/lib/ to the list of directories that the linker (ld) will look for on dynamically-linked programs (judging by my confusing explanation, you can probably see why this is optional).
If you wish to keep up to date with MPlayer, do this:
cd ~/mplayer-svn
make distclean
svn up
./configure
make
sudo make install - M4tt3r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3To clarify- to play back HD-DVD at full res. you don't need to have HDMI, you need a DVI HDCP compliant monitor and video card. sigh. (in Windows)
- raid517, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Is this the appropriate place to point and laugh at the douches declaring MS the devil for "including DRM"?"
No, that is over in the MS weenies thread.
I'm sure you will find a more appreciative audience there. - nailer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm not sure if HD DVD is dying, but yes it does indeed seem like dual disc / Blu Ray is winning the war (at least to the extent DVD+RW won over minus). However, Blu Ray uses the the same content protection, and BackupHDDVD C++ may also support Blu-Ray.
- stmiller, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3"LMFAO @ A tutorial on how to play a DVD ahahahhaahahah
Linux just pwned themselves."
At least Linux users can read. - SharkyTech, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Is it just me, or does including the word 'backup' in an application name seem to scream "please don't sue me"
- joebob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"But posting anti-MS fodder on the internet while purchasing products which support DRM seems even sillier."
It's only silly if there is any alternative to obtaining an equivalent without DRM. Aside from obvious torrent sources, there is generally no mainstream distribution. You can blame consumers all you want (they deserve a share in continually supporting these kinds of backward ideas), however that doesn't resolve the issue any faster.
Companies that drive end user platforms have the ability to stand up for change, they just choose to play it safe more often and knuckle under to silly demands. Microsoft chose to ignore the best interests of it's customers, a trend that has been increasing the last few years. And I think it's a way of thinking that will be shown to have cost them over the next few years. As for DRM, the first domino in the chain looks to have finally fallen with the EMI deal. Here's hoping sanity spreads through both government and the consumer base at large to get the rest dismantled. - JoeSlingo, on 11/10/2007, -1/+1As far as I'm concerned, the RIAA/MPAA can have their movies/music back. They've made it impossible to enjoy the simplicity in it. I'd rather just mail them the cost of a movie ticket each month to get them to stfu about vista, hd and drm.
- justnick, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Joebob -- MS had no choice. Contrary to the belief here on digg, the heavy majority of home users do not use their machine as a media server. They do not even watch DVDs on their computers. If MS decided to not support HD DVD playback because of the DRM, the MPAA would have said fine, don't support it. Not even MS has the pull to make the MPAA drop their DRM schemes. Even if MS decided not to support regular DVD playback because of the encryption the MPAA would be fine with it. Even for the people who do watch DVDs on their computers, if their computers stopped playing them all of a sudden, they would take the DVD and walk over to their TV and pop it in their stand alone DVD player. If their computer doesn't play HD DVDs then they will buy a stand alone player. The computer is not a big enough player in the media watching arena to make the MPAA drop DRM.
- javaroast, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@reed311 Why bring up installing malware. We know you can do that in a couple of mouse clicks. Really it's just not a feature we want in linux
- nailer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1sirreal1,
The article was written by me, by contributing to the wiki like anyone can. While it's indeed true that we're discussing similar things, and it's also true that circumventing is only illegal in some parts of the world (the moderator is wrong is saying it is flatly illegal), I suspect the difference is what you're intending.
Your post was about playing a ripped HD DVDs. You didn't mention that you had ripped it yourself, which implies someone else copied their own DVD, posted it to the internet, and you pirated it.
This article was about how to play your own HD DVD in Linux.
Yes, the technology used is similar. But there's no mention of personal use, or fair use, in your original post that set the direction of the thread. The intent makes the difference.
Just speculating, that's all. - samnetwork, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1No, actually it screams "Nothing illegal over here, nope, nothing here."
- philz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just because Windows is not pwned by animated cursors.. oh wait.. lemme rephrase that: Just because there are no articles How move an icon on Windows oh wait..
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289587 - duggmania, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The ability to play the disks in Linux may well be new, but I've been playing HDDVD rips for ages! There are loads available via bittorrent (eg. http://www.flixflux.co.uk/search.php?search=HD ). Simply download and play with mplayer! Couldn't be easier!
- sir1real, on 11/10/2007, -2/+1This is interesting. Last week I started a thread in the Official Ubuntu Forums titled "Play a ripped HD-DVD" asking the question: I've got a ripped HD-DVD on my hard drive. Is there a codec and/or media player that can play this in Ubuntu/Linux yet?
My post post was promptly moved to "The Jail" by forum administrator KiwiNZ. The Jail is where they quarantine spam/"illegal discussions"/offensive material.
The following is the discussion I have had with him so far regarding this issue.
For your amusement:
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Hi sir_real,
The following thread that you created has been moved
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Thread: Play a ripped HD-DVD
Original Forum: Multimedia & Video
New Forum: The Jail
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KiwiNZ:
This is an automated message, please don't hesitate to reply if you have any questions.
Regards,
The Forum Management
Sir_Real:
Problem? :Confused
KiwiNZ:
This was illegal activity
Sir_Real:
How so? I am aware of no law that prevents one from playing DVD content from one's hard drive.
I have read the Official Ubuntu Code of Conduct: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct . There is no mention of this.
I have searched the Ubuntu forums and found multiple discussions, both past and current, regarding ripping, copying, playing, and burning DVDs.
Furthermore, I am sure that other forum members would appreciate a discussion of the ins and outs of HD-DVD on Linux/Ubuntu.
Please reconsider.
KiwiNZ:
HD-DVD like any other DVD format is copy protected. If you have "ripped" it fron the original disc you have circumvented the protection . That is illegal.
If you have downloaded it or copied from another source that is illegal
Sir_Real:
Lots of assumptions, my upside-down friend.:) (just kidding!)
In fact, HD-DVD ,like any other DVD format, may OR MAY NOT be copy protected.
Let's cut to the chase, though. I want to have a discussion about HD-DVD playback, along the same line as standard DVD discussions already present in the forums.
Please advise.
Sir_Real:
Hi,
You never responded to my last message. So far you have made me out to be a criminal, AS IF I have done something that hasn't already been discussed in these forums. I thought I made some rather astute points and deserved a response.
NOW, I find a link on DIGG (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Re...BluRayAndHDDVD) to a recently posted "User Documentation" article on the Ubuntu website describing the possibility of defeating copyright/DRM restrictions on HD-DVD and BluRay. In other words, ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.
So what's going on here? Did I change your mind? Am I free to now discuss all HD-DVD playback issues on the Ubuntu forums or is this still a verboten subject?
Please tell me how to proceed or remain silent and I will post whatever questions I feel like asking on these forums.
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This last response made just now. - nailer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1FYI, the readme.txt from hddvd_cpp_20070129_bin.rar
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How, what and why
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I ported muslix64's BackupHDVD to C++ just for fun and to gain a better understanding of how AACS works. Could have just read the specs, but hey, where's the fun in that ;)
By now I got the taste of it and started on the ACA decrypter. Again just for fun, but then it appeared that the decrypted data was very usefull in getting the menu's to work. And that's were we are now :)
Also I'm normally a Linux user and would love to play HD DVD under Linux. Unfortunately this is not as easy compared to Windows. So by coding sharing this I'm hoping support for non-M$ OS's will improve. Besides that there's so much I and others have gotten from similair decrypting projects (e.g. DRM, DVD), so I'm hoping this will just contribute a little bit in return.
Tools
^^^^^
ACA Decrypter
The ACA decrypter takes the .aca files from the ADV_OBJ folder and removes the AACS encryption. This should allow you to use the menu's. It outputs a log file (aca_decrypter.log) which can be usefull in locating any problems.
BackupHDDVD
This is a C++ port of Muslix64's Java application. Should be familiar how this works. When working from HD, just mind the 'V' in HVDVD_TS folder naming. Only tested with small files, so should be considered experimental.
cfg2xml
A tool for converting the original keydb.cfg to the XML format supported by the above mentioned tools. It was quickly made, but it works. It doesn't ident though, but that doesn't affect the working of the tools. Output is valid MSXML. Place keydb.cfg in the same directory. The XML is generated in the same directory.
Usage
^^^^^
aca_decrypter sourceDrive destinationFolder
backuphddvd sourceDrive destinationFolder
cfg2xml
Problems
^^^^^^^^
All tools are running stable as far as I can test, under Windows XP as well as Linux (Debian). If however you still experience problems, contact me and include the log if available. Please mention your OS aswell.
Compiling
^^^^^^^^^
The source is plain C++ and uses the STL. There's code for the ACA decrypter as well as BackupHDDVD. It's tested using WinGW under Windows and GCC under Linux.
To compile all apps:
make
Compile backuphddvd
make backuphddvd
Compile arf_extracter
make aca_decrypter
Compile cfg2xml
make cfg2xml - nailer, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Perhaps. Blu Ray uses the same DRM as HD DVD, but I've read reports that the hypervisor used to load Linux may have some degree of rights prevention built in.
- a7knight, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3hmmm ... the question is ... could I do this on my PS3's version of linux? That would give me both BluRay and HDDVD!
- erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -8/+4I don't see why not. If there are no processor dependencies in the software, then you should be able to compile and use it. As long as you are using the correct kernel, then I would expect it to work. The issue is though, is the PS3 fast enough? If the software is not written to take advantage of the SPE's than it may not be.
- CheezIt9109, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5I think DRM is quite silly. But posting anti-MS fodder on the internet while purchasing products which support DRM seems even sillier.
Sure, MS could have stood up to the industry, and it's quite arguable that they *should* have. But seriously, how many people do you think are out there that genuinely avoid DRM products (100% pirates not included)? The consumer is the problem.
Oh, btw, I don't waste my cash, thanks to a free MSDN account with the versions I require :-) Linux will be quite tempting once it ends in a few years, but... It's good for now. - Cherubim, on 11/10/2007, -10/+4HD DVD is dying. Why bother supporting it ?
- Jimmyinnz, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1This article has reinforced my belief that Windows is not that bad after all. It's got problems sure but I can actually do stuff.
- reed311, on 11/10/2007, -18/+5Ok, now can we stop with all the articles claiming that "everything works right out of the box" with Linux? We have to have 5 or 6 tutorials a day for things that you can do with a few mouse clicks in Windows.
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -16/+3The article says that we don't need to download any software to play those movies :)
- CheezIt9109, on 10/12/2007, -29/+13Is this the appropriate place to point and laugh at the douches declaring MS the devil for "including DRM"?
- spyderfreek2k, on 10/12/2007, -39/+4Because I AM Running windows.
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