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- inactive, on 09/25/2008, -11/+64WTF are you idiots talking about? Ogg is kicking ass. They went from 4 users to 7. That's nearly double!
- doctordbx, on 09/25/2008, -6/+412009 will be the year of the Ogg Desktop!
- kd420, on 09/24/2008, -1/+36The first step in promoting Ogg (or other free formats) is informing people what they actually are. There are some people who think that only mp3 exists, I even hear people speaking about their music player as "their mp3". Until people feel the impact of proprietary formats, they won't change. And since, iirc, Apple doesn't support Ogg on iPods, there will not be a huge change anytime soon.
- bourneagain, on 09/25/2008, -11/+45Oh wait . . . its actually NOT on the rise.
It would be great if it WAS on the rise, but in reality everybody is just going to continue to use MP3 and other proprietary codecs, because that's just how its always been, and almost nobody knows any better, or cares. - YodaJones, on 09/24/2008, -6/+40This is great news! Ogg Theora and Vorbis rock!
- Yasumoto, on 09/24/2008, -1/+30One of the reasons some people need to be extreme like this is to help balance out the push from those people who want total control of everything. Without initiatives like the FSF, the EFF, and DefectiveByDesign, we'd have no one bringing up these important issues.
See Spore http://www.amazon.com/Spore-Mac/dp/B000FKBCX4 for what happens when a company gets too ridiculous for its own good. - najdorf, on 09/25/2008, -1/+22Ogg, the format used exclusively by game developers.
- TylerFlick, on 09/25/2008, -4/+25Sounds nice, but asking the Recoding Industry to support and open source format is like asking College/University Departments to accept Wikipedia.
- Psygnosis, on 09/25/2008, -1/+17Ogg was great on my iriver H120, It was part of the reason I bought it. I ripped all my music to ogg, it was practically transparent at Q5 and the file sizes where about equal to an mp3 at 160kbs. Five years later my Blackberry, Zune and iPod touch don't play ogg, I have to convert or rerip those all those songs :(
- ckasprzak, on 09/25/2008, -1/+14Keep it open, and keep it coming!
- HarryRag, on 09/25/2008, -1/+14You bring up an interesting point. It may sound silly, but MP3 has a nice ring to it. Those Ogg guys should consider renaming it to something that's a little more marketable.
In fact, I think it should be a priority. - spyd3rweb, on 09/25/2008, -0/+12Heres a tip for encoding with ogg, can't get any easier than this. Perfect quality every time.
http://rarewares.org/ogg-oggdropxpd.php - roebeet, on 09/25/2008, -0/+11You mean like that silly GIF problem, back in the 1990's?
- motang, on 09/25/2008, -2/+12Sweet, and with Firefox 3.1 supporting HTML 5 this will be even better as more and more sites implement it.
- joshuagay, on 09/24/2008, -0/+10I think that http://playogg.org does a good job of informing people what free media formats are and what Ogg is in particular. However, if you feel that something is lacking, It would be great if you emailed campaigns@fsf.org so that they can improve the site.
- HarryRag, on 09/25/2008, -2/+12Give up what? It's important to have alternatives to audio codecs like MP3, especially since Ogg is an open, unrestricted format, unlike MP3.
"Vorbis has different uses for consumer products. Many video game titles such as 18 Wheels of Steel, Halo, Unreal Tournament, Mafia: The City of Lost Heaven, Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, and Guitar Hero: On Tour store in-game audio as Vorbis."
I guess this is all a bad thing, huh? Guess they need to give it up. Seriously. /s - bourneagain, on 09/25/2008, -2/+11I've got a class that specifically lists Wikipedia as a valid source.
- clickwir, on 09/25/2008, -1/+10Bring it up to MP3's quality/size? This is exactly why we need better OGG education. OGG Vorbis can be better quality, smaller file than MP3.
http://www.xciv.org/~meta/audio-shootout/ - David513, on 09/25/2008, -4/+13Anybody who thinks that, "Ogg is on the rise," is just plain delusional. Nobody outside of geek circles even has a clue what it is. Even among that group, only a tiny group uses it. You can keep talking about Ogg growing (or "this year being the year of desktop Linux"), but you just look foolish for saying things that are provably false.
- bourneagain, on 09/25/2008, -3/+12I'm not saying there's no support for it. I'm saying nobody is going to USE it. As in consumers.
Just because your device plays it doesn't mean people are encoding with it.
And even if they were, what's iRiver's marketshare again? 0.00001%?
Unless iPod's support ogg WITHOUT rockbox, it wont matter. - michaelz92, on 09/25/2008, -6/+15If it doesn't work on my iPod, what's the point? This won't see any surge until Apple does this, but in order for Apple to do this, they will need to see a surge in popularity. So, in my opinion, Apple will probably never offer this because theres little demand. Why would I want 2 copies of the same file on my hard disk, all for the sake of open-source? It seems like a rather pointless cause, because at the end of the day, its just an audio format. Ogg really feels more proprietary than MP3. MP3 works on all digital audio players, while ogg works on only a select few.
- ombudsman100, on 09/25/2008, -6/+14LOL, Ogg. So right now on a certain private Bittorrent music site there are over 4,000 people seeding various rips of Dark Side of the Moon. There is an Ogg torrent but no seeders. There are over 2,000 people seeding Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band. No Ogg torrent. Prefer some new music? There are over 12,000 people seeding the latest Coldplay. There is one person seeding Ogg and 2 leechers.
(There are a lot of FLACs which theoretically fall under Ogg but if I ever see a FLAC in an Ogg container without going looking for it, I'll ***** bricks) - BlakeEM, on 09/25/2008, -2/+10I'd choose high bit rate Ogg over mp3 any day. Mp3 can't compete at higher qualities.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -0/+8FLAC serves a completely different purpose (in contrast to Ogg Vorbis). And thanks, but I'm pretty sure we all know where to get FLAC from.
- benologist, on 09/25/2008, -1/+9People don't care about the format. All they care about is when they press play their music plays.
- SuperJimmyJimbo, on 09/25/2008, -3/+10gym doesn't count
- gilbert2048, on 09/25/2008, -1/+7FLAC....beats the living ***** out of mp3 or AAC but its lossless...
MP3's sound quality isn't really that great... - Fergy, on 09/25/2008, -0/+6Apple will never support Ogg because they hate freedom and choice. Ease of use and looks are much more important to Apple. If Apple could remove mp3 support without losing 90% of their customers they would love to.
Every brand of mp3 player supports ogg except Apple and Creative. Look to Cowon, iRiver and Samsung for great mp3 players that support almost any format available. - Shoogle, on 09/25/2008, -1/+7You've OBviously never tinkered with this format and listened to a real comparison. A 96kbps .ogg sounds so close to a 160kbps .mp3 that it takes several close listens to tell the difference. AND the file is just over half as big, saving a bundle of room.
- ers35, on 09/25/2008, -0/+6You're thinking of RockBox.
- elfprince13, on 09/25/2008, -1/+7the thing is myself, and I think most people, would prefer to use ffmpeg, vlc, or whatever shareware converter crap google brings up to make the music in a format their iPod can read rather than installing a new operating system on their iPod
- RobotBuddha, on 09/25/2008, -1/+7I can see support for the video and audio tags increasing ogg use when it appears in more browsers.
- shanesemler, on 09/25/2008, -0/+5Why do many FOSS website still have such ugly websites, especially ones from the FSF? Is this supposed to appeal to people with eyes? They should take a few notes from the Firefox website.
- noseeme, on 09/25/2008, -1/+6Vorbis is awesome. I became a believer after checking out a comparison page. But Theora sucks really badly. In comparison to other formats like DivX, H.264, and WMV, it's horrid.
- beers, on 09/25/2008, -1/+6the problem is that mp3 is just that, the licensing & patents. ofcourse i found that out after i encoded a lot of stuff to mp3. while i agree with you that mp3 is widespread and very compatible and troublefree, i hope that ogg will become more mainstream.
you can debate the patents with fraunhofer over this simple technology. - elfprince13, on 09/25/2008, -0/+5why is he being dug down? the man speaks truth.
- knowitman, on 09/25/2008, -0/+5Hardware requirements? It's software. Ipods can be hacked to play Ogg. They just don't do it natively because Apple doesn't want them to.
- Ford_Prefect2nd, on 09/25/2008, -0/+5Perfect counter, nothing could be a more apt choice. History FTW.
- Dumbledorito, on 09/25/2008, -1/+6My old record player supports 78 rpm and 33 1/3 rpm. Guess which one I used more?
- Flamekebab, on 09/25/2008, -5/+10I publish all the video podcasts I upload in flash, Xvid and Ogg Theora. Whilst I know Ogg-based formats aren't enormously popular, I consider it important to support free formats with more than just words.
- fuhrysteve, on 09/25/2008, -0/+4um, actually it will. firefox 3.1 is including stuff to play Ogg format with the new HTML 5 spec.
- dhughes, on 09/25/2008, -1/+5 Everyone was going nuts over Hulu yesterday, a restricted to the US streaming video service website, and now everyone is praising Open Source / non-restricted formats. Even if if Hulu used ogg theora it wouldn't be in the spirtit of Open Source.
You can't have it both ways. - clickwir, on 09/25/2008, -2/+6Maybe so in your house. I'm slowly going through my collection and removing (deleting) mp3's in favor of OGG's. The quality is very noticeable and I've already saved 2.4GB of space.
- Netik09, on 09/25/2008, -6/+10Open source FTW.
- clickwir, on 09/25/2008, -1/+5I'm using Rockbox on my Sansa so I can get OGG playback. Ogg Vorbis is great.
- noseeme, on 09/25/2008, -0/+3Apples and oranges, dude.
- fireashes, on 09/25/2008, -1/+4Dear Sir, TylerFlick, I think you don't know the meaning of saving a song in OGG.
There is a difference between comparing wiki/books with mp3/Ogg. If the industry can save the music files in the formats mp3/Acc/WMA/WAV then its not hard to save them in ogg format. Wikipedia is not a valid source of information but ogg is a valid place to save songs in a digital format.
Love Open source software. - ArthurSucks, on 09/25/2008, -2/+5In listening tests a 128k vorbis sound better than most mp3s at 192k. Mp3 is old and out dated.
- inactive, on 09/25/2008, -0/+3A for effort on that metaphor but Wikipedia and Ogg formats aren't directly comparable. Wikipedia is rejected - quite rightly - by Academia due to issues of authenticity and verification, while Ogg is a technology proven to be technically and financially superior to mp3,
- harlequinade, on 09/25/2008, -0/+3The main reason people are supposed to love OGG [and FLAC] is because you
have to 'pay' to use MP3....But until some Geek with an iPod actually gets a bill,
nothing will change! -
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