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- hockey, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20The 'K' is both silent and invisible.
- eean, on 10/11/2007, -0/+12You mean like how plasma has a K in it?
- schestowitz, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13These are some terrific screenshots and features!
- troyunrau, on 10/11/2007, -2/+10Your concerns are valid, however I think you misinterpret the function of plasma. It is not to replace existing applications, but rather to replace the desktop and panel. Think of it as something like OS X dashboard widgets (or superkaramba, for that matter) crossed with the existing panel. Imagine dragging the clock off of the panel, and it turning into a clock that sits on your desktop. That sort of thing. Don't worry too much about full fledged applications becoming part of plasma.
- FarcicalFart, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8http://plasma.kde.org
- culturalsub, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7While you're at it, you might as well check the discussion about this week's Commit Digest at the "Dot", the KDE news site:
http://dot.kde.org/1180367202/
(There's quite a few threads dedicated to the latest developments in Plasma).
Btw, Plasma development is getting more visibility these days, and though there's still a long time to go before the estimated release date of KDE 4.0 (end of October), the results are already quite impressive. If you're not familiar with all the cool stuff coming your way with KDE4, check out the "Dot" for a very interesting series of articles by Troy Unrau, named "The Road to KDE 4":
http://dot.kde.org/
At last, to those of you still holding out on Windows or Mac OS X, be sure to check out a Linux distro once KDE 4.0 begins to be rolled out: you will be blown way and won't look back! - troyunrau, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7tehkain: there is no plasma save-as dialog box, at least there isn't one that has been coded. Plasma exists only on the desktop. When required, plasma applets can pop up standard qt/kde objects such as the standard save-as box.
Perhaps you are confusing plasma with some of the other KDE work going on such as Oxygen, or the new widget styles, etc... - NedSlider, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Nice screen shots. I'm looking forward to KDE4 filtering down into my distro of choice once it's released.
- polyGone, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6I have a question. I used to use Suse 10.1 before I had to upgrade to XP Pro and it crashed everything. (XP not Suse...Some partition issues) I ran the live cd first, to see which one 'looked' better. (Gnome or KDE) I went with KDE because it seemed more visually appealing. What do you mean by 'eye' candy? Beryl? Compiz? or the likes? Can you not use those with KDE? I just never got the differences between the two.
- Satertek, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Well Stardock's DesktopX was out long before Apple's implementation, so did Apple copy them?
Truthfully, it doesn't matter. The concept of having objects placed on a desk(top), is hardly original. - eean, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Pretty sure he meant distro.
- patpi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4"As an Apple user, there are alot of features Linux has, that I wish Apple had. I am however tied to Apple for the software I need is only Apple based, otherwise I would be all over Linux for a desktop."
just try to use OpenStandards on your Mac. OggVorbis, ODF, Adium, etc
So in 2 years you will be free and you could try every platform. Don't allow Apple to lock you in!
And remember, KDE apps will be native on Mac, Windows and Linux :-)
http://dot.kde.org/1168899755/
http://commit-digest.org/issues/2007-01-14/ - AstralSin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4no, we said the vista desktop is copying the competition. you could put a desktop clock in kde (or gnome) long before this and long before vista. christ, get your head out of your ass.
- funkyou, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Well, you should notice that plasma in in pre-alpha-somewhat stage and just trust the developers, they have a pretty awesome vision for plasma and i (for example) am fully confident in them...
Really, this is barely the beginning of plasma and as soon people get the first sight on pre-alpha stuff, they start bitchin around for no reason... This is just negative... You should be glad that they are such open and informative about their developments...
Btw, the backend programming just dont happened for plasma alone. The whole kdebase and kdelibs (for example) have been ported to QT4 and cleaned up, and without this base work (which had to be finished first) there would not be plasma.
Sorry for my englisch and keep in mind: Dont complain - contribute! - digmc, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8I wasn't aware of this project, then again I don't follow KDE very closely. Still this is an interesting development and I'll have to check it out when it becomes more mature.
G++ - bigtomrodney, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Sorry about that. Continue felching, felch.
- Kaosu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3From Wikipedia:
Plasma will be the new desktop and panel user interface tool for KDE 4, the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. This will combine the KDE panel, the desktop, and SuperKaramba into one application, providing an API for developers to write widgets and mini-applications called plasmoids, to place on the desktop and panel. - HerbertScrunge, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3It's a "step forward" from the void that was the KDE4 desktop background a couple of weeks ago, yes, albeit a very, very small one. Think of these demos as a "Hello, World" for the KDE4.0 desktop :)
- SimonGray, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4The commit statistic is pretty cool and interesting. Didn't know Indians were so involved in the KDE development.
- bigtomrodney, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3No. Superkaramba was around a long time before Vista. Plasma is a new desktop project that is bringing Superkaramba into its architecture.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4 I was and Ive been waiting---And waiting for it to bear fruit, I mean plasma.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4and less than 1% of the people are female :-(
- ElbridgeGerry, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4*****....
That's nice looking! - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3I imagine the community will have so many skins that you can theme them any way you want. I'm not worried about inconsistancies.
- morphie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"Dont complain - contribute!"
I contributed. Believe me. Just as some more people on kde-artists I contributed by creating concepts and mockups for the plasma desktop. This was summer 2005. None of them are a reality these days.
So safe your "Dont complain - contribute!" for people who actually do not contribute. - AstralSin, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2this looks pretty nice, actually. i'm not normally a fan of KDE due to the menu structure (in the old menu, kbfx is nice) and default look of the applications but this looks nice and slick and clean. if the final version of kde 4 turns out looking like this, i might just have to switch.
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"I ran the live cd first, to see which one 'looked' better. (Gnome or KDE) I went with KDE because it seemed more visually appealing. What do you mean by 'eye' candy? Beryl? Compiz? or the likes? Can you not use those with KDE? I just never got the differences between the two."
Eye-candy is in the eye of the beholder - I'm a huge KDE fan (check the avatar :)) but I always do a double-take when someone mentioned that KDE looks better than GNOME - I find KDE to be extremely ugly, and have seen very few attractive KDE desktops (although I love the Oxygen icon theme :))
Both Beryl and Compiz work with KDE, although I gather that there is some problem with integration between KDE's pager applet and these two WM's. For KDE4, kwin (KDE's native window manager) will have compositing support and some basic effects - you can see a sneak preview here:
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2787
and, if Rivo re-hosts the clips, here:
http://rivolaks.blogspot.com/2007/05/kwin-effects-config-another-video.html - manitoba98xp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@Rhino2
Nothing. It's "K Desktop Environment" when fully expanded.
From Wikipedia:
"The name KDE was intended as a word play on the existing Common Desktop Environment available for Unix systems. The K was originally suggested to stand for "Kool", but it was quickly decided that the K should stand for nothing in particular." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE) - crazybrit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Looks cool. I'm looking forward to the Kicker replacement; hopefully it's as pretty as the dock, only not a POS as far as usability goes.
- SVPirate, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It looks good for an early dev. It *does* need work visually (it'll possibly be themeable when done anyway?), and doubtless could do with a lot of optimisation, it does look like a good UI. As long as it and all the other improvements they are making to KDE rescue it from being the bloated, cluttered, overcooked POS that KDE 3 is currently, all is well. I might even go back to it after using GNOME and WindowMaker for the past few years.
- eean, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I only know of one Indian KDE dev personally. Those commits are probably related to localization.
- KentDiego, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Klasma?
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Most of the "new breed" of core KDE technologies/ apps don't begin with a "K" (or they sneak the "K" into the remainder of the word somewhere ;)) - Plasma, Strigi+Nepomuk (which will likely combine to form Tenor), Solid, Phonon, Dolphin, akonadi, Mailody, okular, gwenview, basKet, Decibel, Houston etc. There are even instances of people changing an existing project's name e.g. "KDissert" recently became "Semantik". But of course, there are still hundreds of third-party developers out there who keep on using the "K" naming scheme and the KDE team has limited control over them, if they even wish to exercise any control at all.
- inkubux, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4I was a KDE user before and Switched to gnome foe the "eye" candy and the usability. I have big hopes that kde4 will make me a KDE user again :)
- Jugalator, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Gadgets, because every desktop needs them. :-p
- jawbreaker4fs, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1@Rhino2
You've really never questioned one of these acronyms before?
What's the G in GNU for?! GNU's Not Unix
What's the W in WINE for?! Wine Is Not an Emulator
The FOSS community does this all the time. It's a self-referential recursive acronym in which the first letter doesn't mean anything. It's a reference to the acronym itself. - inkubux, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Plasmoids is just a view that implements plasma::Appelet, so I'm sure a lot of apps will still have the normal "KDE view" as well that's why the MVC architecture is important ;)
- Kaosu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Well, although Plasma doesnt have a K in it, it is not a standalone app. Its more of framework tool for the interface.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Yes. And Apple will say that KDE ripped off their ideas.
- grexeo, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I hope the plasmoids resizing using a typed value is just for development purposes and in the final release we'll be able to resize them using a mouse.
- Rhino2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2color me stupid, but what exactly is Plasma? A widget/docking API?
btw, love the KDE ... can't wait till 4.1!! - Rhino2, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1"SuperKaramba" ??
btw, what does the K stand for in KDE? K_____ Desktop Environment. - xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3A KDE project that doesn't begin with 'K'??? Though this does look great.
- tehkain, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1toryanaru: Well have you seen the Save As plasma box? They are moving plasma into functions such as that. Dashboard clocks are fine and stuff like that but they have and will move over into small but important apps like file pickers(save box), information windows, and other small but essential apps.
I am not refuting that there will always be the standard qt counter part but I would rather have plasma app if they follow some standards. - inactive, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3Looks great but they need to fix the clunky controls and window borders.
- jav1231, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Okay, I must have missed something. Opening multiple versions of a clock, dragging it around, and resizing them is a step forward?
- morphie, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2Plasma is vaporware. Just like longhorn a lot of concepts were made (around 2005) and yet, none of them are a reality this very moment. The plasmoid is nice and all, but come on, this is what we get out of -more than a year- of backend programming? I think you should rethink your methods and design KDE.
- tehkain, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4Plasma is very cool but I have my concerns with a widget rich/based WM.
The only issue I have with plasma is that it will be full of inconsistencies between apps. After a while I see kde adopting plasma(which as an idea is great) fully for many functions but none of those will have a shred of consistency. So in the end you will have tons of KDE core apps that are plasmed out with different themes, colors, button placement, scrollbar placement, and every other issue imaginable.
Gnomes HIG is vital for that reason and maybe KDE should develop a HIG of its own just for plasma. - apache2, on 10/11/2007, -7/+1you mean platform?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1So everyone who ragged on Vista because they said the desktop clock was stupid now loves desktop clocks? Does this also mean that KDE 'copied' Apple widgets?
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