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- teckjunkie, on 10/27/2007, -9/+70*the sound of hundreds of coders prepping to attempt to port OSX to the PS3*
- prototypeangel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+49Whoever said linux gaming sucked.
It frigging runs the ps3. - thesauce, on 10/12/2007, -1/+38Wow, I am genuinely impressed by the PS3 now. I used to mod systems (xbox/gc/ps2) for a living and the PS3 looks like it may be the sexiest (and the soonest "hacked") offering yet.
- Aanidaani, on 10/12/2007, -5/+30W00t! Now the PS3 actually has a purpose -- I can use it to host a server for Unreal Tournament. Nice!
- inkubux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24I can see a nice distro with mythtv preconfigured on it :D
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21PS3 could make a real comeback with the geeks that were won over by the original Xbox for its home-brew. I hope Sony can pull it off!
- chris86wm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+21I think people will continue to code for PPC. Its not like the linux community to drop hardware just because its old.
- jues, on 10/27/2007, -3/+23I think he's refering to haxing OSX PPC to run on the PS3. (Buy a 2nd hand mac on ebay?!)
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17chris9902:
Really?
PS1 had NetYaroze
PS2 had PS2Linux
PS3 supports multiple "homebrew" OSes.
Looks to me like Sony likes letting people have a hack at their consoles, as long as they can't pirate games or undercut their license fees. What's wrong with that? - diggapleaze, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18I 100% agree. Choice is never a good thing. It just gets in the way.
- johnhummel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17A most interesting question, because then things like:
MythTV
SNES9x
Genesis emulators
All of these things would be worthwhile. Oh, and it plays PSOne, PS2, and PS3 games. I'm wondering if they didn't learn something form the PSP, and are going to let the PS3 be a little bit more open, because that would drive purchases (at least from the geek crowd), which might be enough to dispel the negativity over the last year or so.
Nah - probably not, but a guy can hope. - teckjunkie, on 10/27/2007, -2/+17Sorry porting was the wrong terminology I guess. Hacking the kernel would be better wording. (kinda like how osx86 was hacked for all x86 builds, except hack the OSX PPC build to run on all PPC hardware)
- jron, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15Linux kernel can access some devices directly (e.g. USB host controller). Other devices are virtualized by hypervisor and device service is provided via hypervisor call. For example, storage service hypervisor calls are available.
The bad news:
PS3 has a powerful graphic processing unit with high speed host connection. The GPU is connected to both HDMI and AV multi interface. Although the GPU is connected directly to CBE, no direct access by guest OSes to the GPU is allowed currently. Video mode/format setting is also the role of AV setting driver. PS3 Linux fb driver calls AV setting driver to setup video modes.
Currently X server uses virtual frame buffer to render its image. No hardware acceleration is supported under Linux.
info taken from the newly released docs. - anphanax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PS3#Linux
"Originally Sony stated that they were going to pre-install Linux on the PS3's hard drive, but current units shipping don't include Linux preinstalled. Instead, Sony has made an option in the XMB menu to install other operating systems."
Linux doesn't run the PS3. The PS3 can run Linux though. - HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1299.999% of the code in a Linux distro is processor-independent. You just compile it for the target architecture.
It just takes a few dedicated people to keep the PPC kernel working. If Sony sells the number of units they think they will over the next couple years, there will be enough interested people who keep this working. - gaanagaa, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14The very reason why Microsoft is paying a lot to Linux(on x86) these days. The Cell processor + Linux scares Microsoft.
- mingistech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Thats exactly what I was thinking.
my XBMC chokes when playing HD content.
i'm sure the PSMC (if made) could hack it. :) - l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12And now, PLEASE, somebody port XBMC to the PS3!
- LRoy12, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12looks like my next PC will be a ps3 running ubuntu!
- fusioned, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Woo sounds awesome!
- drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12What?
- colincornaby, on 10/27/2007, -1/+10"the main core of the CBEA is a PPC core, and the only part of the cell that linux has access to, so basicly to the OS it's just a PPC computer with 256MB of ram and a ~7900(gt, gtx, ?) GPU with 256MB of vram
it could be done, how much work it would take to getting running, and will it be worth it is another question, I don't know how well the latest versions of OSX does with 256MB of ram"
OS X really needs 512 megs of RAM or higher and needs multicore/DP to really run well. The PS3 has neither of these things. Also guest OS's can't touch the GPU, absolutely destroying any chance of OS X running well. No Quartz Extreme. No Core Image. - erkokite, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9direct link to Power Developer site:
http://www.powerdeveloper.org/playstation.php - ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Really? You'd use a $250 computer as a UT Server?
Mail or ftp server maybe, but not a game server!
But yeah for about $500 the PS3 doesn't sound that bad as a game server, or perhaps as a stand alone computer in itself. Definitely worth considering. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think people will start developing PPC distros for the PS3 kindof like an XBMC OS but for the PS3, thats if everything goes to plan and linux works well.
- davidmackey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10All the hardware is available for use except for two SPEs. One SPE is disabled,so that leaves 7. Then another one is used solely for the PS3OS and the security layer than runs between the hardware and the third party OS. That basically means you have access to the Cell PPE and 6 SPEs and the rest of the PS3 hardware.
- UKsHaDoW, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8emm open source, most of the time you can just re-compile for it.
- bob7, on 10/27/2007, -1/+8@Jron, OS X IS (partially) open-source. As far as I know, the kernel is completely OSS (thus, the OpenDarwin project). This means it CAN be ported to the cell.
- drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You can still get Debian for the 68k architecture. PPC's extinction is still quite far away.
- bob7, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8@jron, then what the heck is this?
http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/
BTW, the source for 10.4.8 is posted above, which came out after the article you referenced. - vinbob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@foolfromhell
Are you assuming that the PPC Macs are the only platform to use PPC architecture?
How about IBM's current Bladecenter, System i & System p server platforms and their Intellistation workstations all with a choice of AIX or Linux operating systems running on PPC.
Don't forget also that both the XBox 360 and the Wii both use PPC based processors. - hobbla, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Make a living, as he had said earlier.
- ZaNkY, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7In related news:
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_Support_Patches_and_Documentation_for_PS3_Released
I'm not posting this with the intent of advertisement, but rather as a similar article that is also worth considering. - forgiste, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9Well, OSX PPC runs on a unix core, so it shouldn't be too hard to get on the PS3
- mingistech, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Yes, it's feasible that you could do that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10I rest my case. :P
- RobynG7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Gazm, I'm sorry to break it to you bud, but this is an article about the PS3.
- Sniper, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5USB tuner :|
- mikedoth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5So is it feasible that I could purchase one of these as my next desktop / gaming system?
- meatbites, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Sarcasm normally has some vague degree of relevance to the topic. Also, it's generally bad form to point out your own sarcasm.
I.e.: Your comment was on-topic, thought-provoking, and made complete sense to everyone. - drbroccoli, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6CBEA is based on the POWER4 architecture. Its essentially the same thing as a G5, plus coprocessors.
- hcl40u, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Dual boot into either Linux or the normal PS3 XMB. I think it depends on how you press the power button. I think its partly a shot at Microsoft and their Media Center stuff and Apple too.
- toucci, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3At least I can grind through the gentoo install in the relative comfort of my living room, now :)
- nhnFreespirit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Nope. AFAIK WINE is X86 only.
- raid517, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Well that's odd, because I distinctly remember seeing a video of a Linux desktop on a PS3 running PS3 games in the background.
OH - and BTW - even if it does take some hacking, the work should be pretty minimal - since nothing at all needs to be emulated. - Lobster, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Good luck to Yellow Dog
Even the smallest dog is willing to port their software to Sony hardware
http://puppylinux.org/wikka/HardwareTesting
We recently went over to the T2 compiling system, so this would ease the transition. Sony might decide to support Open Source after some of the recent adverse publicity . . .
The more people can hack, mod and play with hardware, the more they will buy into a product. Open Source hardware. Embrace it now. - raynevandunem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3@pozzoe
Nope. Just like on x86: just because you can run Gentoo on x86 doesn't mean that you can run Windows apps natively in Gentoo (unless WINE comes into play).
Unless someone can create an open-source PS3 API compatibility layer for the PPC-compatible GNU/Linux distros such as Yellow Dog, we won't be seeing any PS3 games running on these distros at any point.
So no, no PS3 games on Linux. Just Linux apps on PS3. - Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I'm a little unclear as to how much support Sony is throwing behind this. Is this the sort of thing where Sony will keep releasing patches every two weeks that require one to give up custom Linux support in order to play games? For many, the PSP has essentially become a portable video player/NES/SNES/N64 that doesn't actually play PSP games. I know there are hardware mods to get around that but it seems that the PSP mod community has had to put up with a lot more hassle than it's worth.
- shade88, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Umm, he probably modded the GC to play illegal copies of games; a gamecube modchip eventually became available toward the end of it's life. Also dumb things like dvd playback. GC was probably the worst modable system since, well, N64...
- raid517, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Rumour has it that Sony were getting ready to enable OS X to be installed on the PS3, until Apple switched over to X86.
Anyway doesn't Apple still maintain two versions of OS X? Both PPC and X86? -
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