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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Regarding Ubuntu: "Cons: The business model doesn't seem to be viable."
Huh? Since when does a linux distro have to have a 'viable business model'? Is this supposed to be humorous or what? - lagerbottom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10@kdb1 - Amusing, you're logged into a linux server running apache, yet it's *****. Interesting.
- FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10incase it gets dugg
http://www.linuxforums.org.nyud.net:8080/reviews/overview_of_the_ten_major_linux_distributions.html - cogent, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Is it me or does this review seem strikingly similar to distrowatch's "Major Distributions" page? ( http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=major )
- kilps, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8The article feels more like a history of each distro more than anything else and doesn't deal with the core isues such as hardware (read winmodems, sorry but that is something which get's to me) compatibility etc.
Still interesting though - I might go back and try some of those distros ... - SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9defsmac: You are on in very long line of Linux users who believe the OS is easy to use because you already know the names of every command and the names of every program you wish to use. Most users don't even know what a shell is, let alone how to use BASH, let alone how to run their package manager. God forbid they're running Slackware.
"Those users should not be using Linux then."
So they should use something easier to use? What would that be? What other OS might people use? Gee, I wonder.
Contrary to your obvious belief, the computer is a tool that everyone needs to be able to use, not just elitist pricks trapped in a mindset of brand loyalty. - drizek, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10lol, its an interesting story. It shows up on the linux section, linux users digg it and then it makes the front page.
- triplep, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5you mean this list? it's the same one linked at the top of this page....
http://www.linuxforums.org/reviews/overview_of_the_ten_major_linux_distributions.html
It's between Knoppix and Suse.
Really, who needs to read articles anyhow? - linshots, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4MEPIS should not be on that list.
- tulinius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Gentoo - unstable? wtf.? what did the journalist smoke/eat? even tried Gentoo?
we got several branches dude, of course stable is stable.. do'h. - Mambo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Ya, its exactly the same just minus details and minus freebsd.
Must find the undigg button.
Shame shame shame. - egorgry, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Exactly what I was thinking. Is debian's business model viable? Outside of Redhat and Suse I'm not sure any one distor has aviable business model.
- DEFSMAC, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10what do you mean until they make it as easy as windows? if you can't type apt-get install whatever or emerge whatever into a bash prompt then you shouldn't be allowed to even use a computer.
- Gdjrptryjg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3top 10 Page Hit Ranking from http://distrowatch.com/
1 Ubuntu
2 SUSE
3 Mandriva
4 Fedora
5 MEPIS
6 Damn Small
7 Debian
8 KNOPPIX
9 Gentoo
10 Slackware - SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's Anaconda, fool. It always looks like that. All that pretty in Fedora and so forth is just an overlay for Anaconda. You really think the Windows 2003 installer looks a whole lot different that 2000? Or NT 4? Or 98?
And yes, wireless support sucks.
As far as OS X being the OS that "Just Works When You Turn It On (tm)", I should hope so. They only have to support about 10 different hardware configurations, and the hardware and software manuacturers are the same. It would be pretty sad if you had to configure a Mac any more than you have to configure a cell phone. - cfizzo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5linux is great if you have a pc, but for a mac you already have most of the same tools thanks to it being based on unix
- Kobalt13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I must agree, although MEPIS is a fiarly good live cd and mediocre install distro, its not really a major distro
- zoomie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If you're gonna try a distro, try ubuntu cuz they'll send you a free CD. Downloading an iso file will take a couple weeks on that winmodem of yours :p LOL
- slack31337, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3SlackWare personally I think is the best. I have been using linux for about 4 years and I have tried many distros SuSe debian redhat fedora and i keep coming back to Slack i started slack and I will always come back to it THANKS PATRICK if he reads digg :)
- SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Ubuntu *is* on the list. Reading comprehension for the win.
Linspire isn't on the list because it isn't very popular, even if it is easy to use. Slackware, Gentoo, and Debian aren't entirely user-friendly, either. Linspire is not "major", even if it is "for new Linux converts". - brownb2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2No mention of CentOS - you'd think a major player that is essentially RHEL and has been widely in the news recently would be covered - sheeeesh.
- SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Distros are all different because each component is programmed by different people in very disparate groups. The kernel is one group, the UI is another, the programs are each their own. Imagine if the people who wrote every component of Windows worked for different companies. The fact that all these different programs work together *at all* is the reason that the open source movement is so powerful and unique in the software world. It shows the power of standards that we take for granted elsewhere (other IEEE and ISO standards).
If you're moving from Windows, it's a lot like coming form a place Henry Ford's marketing for the Model T is all you see, ("You can have any color you like as along as it's black.") and wandering onto a modern day car sales lot. You are overwhelmed by choices you didn't think you had, and you're just a little confused why anybody would really *want* a red or a blue car. - mattd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree a list like this must be made, but it should be unbiased. This was far from a biased opinion. For example look at the difference between the pro's and con's of Suse & Ubuntu. Can you guess which distro the author uses?
- SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If you're picking Gentoo to insall binary packages, you're an idiot. Other distros do binaries better than gentoo, since Gentoo is a roll-your-own-from source distro. That's what it's for.
As far as stability, yes it is less stable. Why? Because you pick all the compiler options. That means you're pretty much guaranteed to have binary incompatibility with most other distros. If you compile a library with i686, SSE3, et al, and you run into software that needs your library but doesn't work with such optimizations enabled, you're *screwed*.
Even worse, if you end up needing drivers that you can't get the source for (ATI anyone?) or needing to use some other closed-source app (such as nearly every commerical game that runs on Linux), you are similarly screwed if the software is unable to communicate.
If you want stable, you pick Debian, *BSD, or official Red Hat. Gentoo is on the other side of the spectrum, since it chooses to sacrifice stability for performance. That's it's attraction.
Now, is it as bad as, say, Windows 4? Of course not. Doesn't mean that there aren't more stable things out there. - rideagain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Please, never again dig anything that has the infamous "intelliTXT" "Let's add random double underlines everywhere and have annoying images pop up if your mouse is anywhere near the text".
Thank you. - leszek, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yes and gentoo has binary packages too.
- davidmonaghan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's your opinion, not sure what that's based on though...
- joesnow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i doubt 'unbiased' will ever be a reality in an article about the difference between linux distros &/or OS's in general ;-p
- AtomB, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7I think that until they make installing software as easy as it is in mac and windows. Linux will never catch on for desktop users.
- bullium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The guy who posted that could have at least gave credit/link to the magazine that review actually came from, Tux Magazine! Here's the actually issue that has the story, http://www.tuxmagazine.com/node/1000189
- Jomwilli, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I just started using Fedora Core 5 to learn Linux, but after I learn some basics I'm going to bite the bullet and switch to Slackware. Hopefully after the the second Generation of the Macbook Pro's come around I hope to "Triple Boot" with Linux/MAC OS X/Windows for the simple ability to run all programs that are out there that I love.
- colin7151, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Id tend to agree. CentOS is, in my head by far the best distro to learn your way around a SERVER. Whys that you ask? Well RHEL seems to have by far the most docs, and RPMs out there, and while they usually work with other distros, the small differences in syntax and location can be a big issue when you are first learning. Same goes for rolling your own RPMs or compiling from scr. Once you know what you are doing you can use your advanced knowledge to either opt to customize CentOS to you needs or move to a more "flexable" distro. I usually do the ladder since where I work is a red hat shop, so i try and keep my boxes similar.
- davidmonaghan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Crappy review of distributions if you ask me but he's right about one thing; If you are wondering which distribution of Linux is right for you, the answer is "It depends." Obviously this isn't even the right question for all people to be asking themselves, the appropriate question to ask yourself is "What operating system should I use?" The answer to this question is the same, and depends on what you intend to do with the computer, which determines the software you will need, which determines the hardware you will need, which all add up to which operating systems are available to accomplish this; Most often there is only one choice, and that is what we all use to this day until a few changes are made (if they ever are).
- Daiver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Where the hell is PCLOS? No Digg.
- SuperSloth, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Um, it's not a top ten list as in "what are the top ten distros". Because, yeah, if you want to know the top ten, you just go to distrowatch. This is an article that differentiates between the existing known top distros -- that is, *why* you might pick one over the others. That's something that distrowatch doesn't do at all.
- Chozabu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"linux is great if you have a pc, but for a mac you already have most of the same tools thanks to it being based on unix"
yep, that makes sense - except: how on earth is a mac "not a pc" is it not a computer? is it not personal? I mean, you could say its not personal in the same way (modern)windows and linux are not personal (multi user support), but i dont get the whole "i dont have a pc, i have a mac" mentality, its not really a problem, it just kinda gets on my nerves!
as for easy installiation, imo its easiest in linux(ubuntu atleast, and probably lots of other distros too)
no command line, just click "add applications" or synaptic(package manager), and check it out!
also, many programs do come with an installer (think loki installer)
in kubuntu dapper, if i download a deb, i can also just right click, then press install
seriously, in windows my mum always tried to read the EULAs and wonder if "c:/program files/*" was defenitly the right place to install, because if it was, why ask?
i could go on quite a bit more, but i think ive alredy said enough... - miaow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't understand why linspire isn't more popular. Its supposed to be a Windows alternative, including paying for it. The consumer can try it out on CD.
Most surfers baulk at all the options in linux. The thought of paying for the OS as well as thinking they will get company support should be enough to wedge them away from microsoft. The fact that linspire is cheaper would boost their wounded ego at being so naive in Windows alternatives, although it has to be said linspire isn't much cheaper than a Windows OEM.
to summarise ; linspire shouldn't be popular amongst non-novices, but in marketing terms it should be among the disorientated masses. - MrSupplier, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I found this overview useless, sorry. Its too basic, gives very little relevant information :(
- Drizzit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How did Ubuntu and Linspire not make this list..
Ubuntu at least but Xandros is nowhere near where Linspire is in desktop usability for novice users. - miaow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0when I say non-novices, I mean soccermom families and the like. easily-duped marketing targets. Linspire is really a bit of a scam.
- systemtrash, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0for SuperSloth -- on the 'car' analogy
The analogy goes I guess, but you forget to mention that for the majority of people, the only thing they know about using the cars is that if you turn the wheel, the car turns in that direction. I believe they should be making 'cars' where it's easy to figur out how to also use the direction pointers and how to switch gears. In plain english. The UI of all these distro's is still clinging to close to the Windows way of doing things. And let's face it. For a lot of people it's just to complicated. Sure... they know how Word works (kinda, a bit, just enough) but that's it. I keep bashing on this in the podcast, hoping that one day, some linux group comes out with this great 'different' UI. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Who keeps on undigging this? Are people really that retarded?
- Rassa, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I don't understand all the distros. Why can't all the people behind them put their egos aside and work on one distro? I have always felt the vast number of distros is one of the bigger things to hurt linux's development and popularity. "I don't like how this is done! I'm going to just start my own distro!"
When I first tried to get into linux just the number of different flavors was overwhelming. So I installed a few. Learned that most of them are very similar. Just small things they like to do differently. - nugget, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2There is one thing I have to disagree with. Ubuntu is an extremly poplular distro and should have made the list.
- scots, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1
Ironically I was playing around with installing Ubuntu on my laptop this morning.
When it got to the disk partitioner, I found myself thinking.. "This text based installer looks like RedHat did 8 years ago. This ***** is still not ready for prime time."
.. oh, bonus: laptop wireless card not supported. Have fun compiling and fcuking with NDIS for two hours, buddy.
-> Took CD out
-> Reloaded Windows
-->Posted from OS X machine that Just Works When You Turn It On (tm) - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1It goes on and on and on
- Justice101, on 10/12/2007, -7/+0Well what else is new I bought a 360 and a memory card. Ha!!! The memory card wasn't even enough for my game saves much less pictures, demos, trailers, or even ARCADE GAMES!!! So your already forced into purchasing a hard drive, because there is basically no way to live without one.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2More gay ass *****! This is ***** insane.
- FlyingLlama, on 10/12/2007, -24/+532 diggs and on front page pretty impressive... did digg update their algorithm during the mainenance yesterday?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -21/+1"they are a flaming homosexual with no life"
everyone already knows that most diggers like the ghey buttsecks. I think there was a survey on it.
/april fools? -
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