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- custangro, on 04/20/2009, -10/+261I think I preferred IBM buying them...
- readme, on 04/21/2009, -0/+194MySQL doomed? Fork that!
- matthekc, on 04/20/2009, -4/+117I'm more worried about open office the project is forked to hell and very unhealthy. The end product doesn't suck but if Oracle ignores it for long I worry that it may lose precious ground to Microsoft Office.
- inactive, on 04/21/2009, -1/+84WTF does Linux have to do with this? Perhaps title should say Solaris?
- SwabTheDeck, on 04/21/2009, -3/+70I don't understand why the submitter decided to change the word "Solaris" in the author's headline to "Linux". They're not at all the same. Sun does have its own Linux distro, but Solaris is a completely separate OS. I've never heard of anyone actually using Sun's Linux anyway. Worst case scenario: we lose one obscure Linux distro in an ocean of hundreds. Solaris, on the other hand, has been struggling to keep market share because of all the other Linux distros stealing its customers. Solaris has some interesting features like ZFS, but not a whole lot else that makes it stand out.
- ramilehti, on 04/21/2009, -7/+65Here's my take on what will happen:
MySQL will be a niche product for Oracle. Forks will become victorious.
Solaris will die. Opensolaris will live on. It will not be GPL'd.
Java will live on and will not be any more open than it already is.
Openoffice will hang in there. It's already good enough. It has all the features normal users need. What it needs is a little pruning.
Which IDM will be chosen is a tough question. I'd say Sun's IDM is superior technically. Whether it is chosen will be a policy issue.
Oracle will focus on selling appliances, which will hurt overall server sales.
Disclosure: I work for Sun. But I don't have any authority about any of this stuff. This is just my personal opinion on what will probably happen. None of this is based on any insider information. - Firethorne, on 04/21/2009, -1/+58Why the hell did you change the title from Solaris to Linux? Solaris is not Linux!
- mysql101, on 04/21/2009, -0/+57Thanks for sticking up for me.
- henhouse0, on 04/21/2009, -2/+52MySQL all the way, nothing better happen to it.
- restive, on 04/21/2009, -2/+51Oracle tried to buy MySQL before, but Sun ended up buying it instead. Looks like Oracle got their wish.
No matter how little Oracle has said about MySQL in this acquisition, they wanted it before, and they're glad to get it. Probably to take it out of open source. Oracle gives NOTHING back to the community; they only take. - JosedeNoche, on 04/20/2009, -1/+42Netbeans IDE integrated with Eclipse IDE??...will see about that...
just don't mess with OpenOffice - inactive, on 04/21/2009, -1/+39You can't take it out of open source... once it has a GPL on it, that's it. Done. No going back. And if they do because of some random loophole, it can be forked and maintained by everyone who worked on it before without any legal consequence.
That's the whole point of the GPL. - hongkongjapie, on 04/20/2009, -1/+35I believe Oracle is one of the major and earliest supporters of Java, so I don't think that's not something to really worry about. I would have preferred if SUN ended up in IBM's bedroom instead, but time will tell how Oracle will handle the open source projects. My biggest fear is adding layers of bureaucracy will result in departure of key developers (MySQL anyone?).
- armo, on 04/21/2009, -0/+33I've been hoping for a change in management for open office for quite some time. It really does need a lot of improvement to properly compete with MS Office, particularly in calc. Whether Oracle can bring the big improvements needed remains to be seen though.
- SwabTheDeck, on 04/21/2009, -3/+34Mystery solved. The submitter CommanderKern is almost certainly the actual author of the article (Sean Michael Kerner) who describes himself in his bio as "a student of the Klingon language" (check out his icon). After I cleaned up my own vomit from reading that, I came to the conclusion that "Solaris" isn't nearly as buzzwordy as "Linux" so he just changed it to drive traffic. Nice moves.
- Stonekeeper, on 04/21/2009, -1/+31If this isn't a good advert for open source licences such as the GPL then I don't know what is. The fact that these technologies can be forked at this juncture means that we can continue trusting in their availability, unlike proprietary software.
- NoDitchDigging, on 04/21/2009, -2/+30There's a LOT of ground to cover to get OpenOffice up to Office 2007.
- RaulMuadDib, on 04/21/2009, -0/+24IBM should buy Oracle
- billizm, on 04/21/2009, -1/+24I fear Oracle's response to questions about MySQL will be something like, "My what?".
- portis, on 04/21/2009, -3/+25postgreSQL to the rescue!
- tcaduto, on 04/21/2009, -6/+28Well, now is the time to start moving MySQL projects to PostgreSQL, which is a better database anyway :-)
http://www.postgresql.org - mysql101, on 04/21/2009, -0/+21No, but even better than XML databases are flat files. You should look into it.
- dvinnen, on 04/21/2009, -0/+18MySQL isn't doomed, Oracle's database and MySQL don't compete in the same fields. What they will do is keep MySQL free and drop their free database version. They'll sale support to the small/medium business that use it and then provide a natural upgrade path to 10g (or whatever it is called) when they are ready to move to a 'real' database
- Tarantulus, on 04/21/2009, -3/+20Solaris != Linux
- moog, on 04/21/2009, -0/+17OpenOffice isn't meant to compete 1-1 with MSO, it's meant to fulfill the needs of an average user, home user or SOHO user. (not power users)
- sparton, on 04/21/2009, -2/+16For all the Sun employees out there this is quoted directly from Oracles press release.
"Until the deal closes, each company will continue to operate independently, and it is business as usual."
Were all fired. - muniak, on 04/21/2009, -10/+23Lame, IBM should have offered .10 more per share... ***** Oracle.
- smartassCanuck, on 04/21/2009, -0/+13Do what yourself?
Write repetitive code?
Manually re-factor changes?
Navigate a code repository of thousands of classes?
I'm not trying to be a douche, but what exactly do you find so horrible about using an IDE?
What you're saying sounds uninformed. I've been professionally coding Java for 8 years now (writing it for over 10) and when interviewing new developers I often ask what their IDE of choice is and why.
Personally I use intelliJ Idea (it's not free, but IMO it's one of the best), not because I'm a horrible coder, but because of the productivity boost of powerful re-factoring, bullet proof SVN integration, auto importing, and code generation. (if you hand code getters and setters you're borderline retarded) - elementop, on 04/21/2009, -0/+12Call me old fashioned, but I'm just not too crazy about the cloud computing hype. I'd rather have the app running on my local machine than in Google's data center. What happens when you have no network connectivity? What happens if Google's data center goes belly up for a while? (It's rare, but it happens.)
No thanks...I'd rather be able to still have access to my data and still get work done, even when I don't have an Internet connection. - mysql101, on 04/21/2009, -1/+13The reasoning is that if Oracle owns Solaris, they might drop Linux support.
- jivatmanx, on 04/21/2009, -2/+13Exactly, Moog. OO.o may only have 80-90% percent of the features, but it costs zero dollars, and Office costs $300.00. Extreme power users who absolutely need the cutting edge on Excel, are always going to buy M.S.
- welshie, on 04/21/2009, -1/+12You are wrong. MySQL and Oracle are entirely different beasts. About the only thing they have in common are that they use some sort of SQL, and are relational databases. The implementations are entirely different. You can't take PL/SQL code and run it in MySQL, for instance.
- elementop, on 04/21/2009, -0/+11I don't think that Oracle buying MySQL will doom MySQL. Think about it: if Oracle gets too heavy handed, MySQL can be forked because it's licensed under the GPL as well as under a commercial license. That's one of the things that makes FOSS software great -- if enough talented developers want to keep a project alive, they *can*, no matter who owns the original product.
The only catch is that there needs to be sufficiently talented people working to keep the project alive, but I'm optimistic about that, as well. After all, the guy who started MySQL left Sun before Oracle bought them, anyway... - srg13, on 04/21/2009, -1/+11"Not nice. Very dishonest."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm - sjaskow, on 04/21/2009, -0/+10@kollross - You'll probably want to define "high end server market", after all, there are probably people on here who think a quad-proc Dell is a "high-end" server. If it doesn't have more that 16 CPUs, 128GB of memory and access to 5 or 6 TB of storage, it's not high-end.
- jivatmanx, on 04/21/2009, -0/+10"That's the whole point of the GPL"
In fact, I'd agree. That fact that anyone can contribute to FOSS is a secondary benefit. The primary benefit is that FOSS can't be bought out by a corporation and subsequently killed.
Worst case, Oracle puts Java, OO.o, Mysql in limbo for a while until a fork emerges. - rmxz, on 04/21/2009, -0/+10Oracle's a decent open source contributor - note that Btrfs (Linux's most likely candidate for a next generation file system) came from Oracle a couple years back, and that Oracle employs a number of notable Linux hackers.
Personally I think it's good to have more large companies with a vested interest in open source, rather than IBM being the center of commercial open source offerings. - johndavidjack, on 04/21/2009, -1/+11Why would Solaris die?
ps, I know all about Oracle Unbeakable linux.
Explain to me why the OS that runs the most Oracle instances, and is the most trusted platform to run it on is going to be phased out.
Oracle wants a vertical scheme, just like IBM. Oracle now owns the hardware, the software, the OS, and the support for all 3. - wilhoitm, on 04/21/2009, -1/+10What are you smoking! Oracle will make MySQL so that you need a $200 an hour dba just to keep it running.
- mooninite, on 04/21/2009, -0/+9ZFS is already old news. Btrfs is the future - and written by Oracle!
- ravage86, on 04/21/2009, -1/+10dug for the first part
buried for the next
Do you actually think calling people a "dumbass" helps you make your point?
***** - nismerf, on 04/21/2009, -1/+10Ahh nothing like using fear and rhetoric to get on the first page of digg. Linux will be fine. MySql is open sourced, at least part of it, so it will never die, the only thing I could fear for is openoffice, oh wait, ALSO open source, it will be picked up moved changed the name but it will go on.
- johndavidjack, on 04/21/2009, -0/+9Actual since Oracle has their own distro based off of Redhat, and since Solaris is arguably the most used OS to run Oracle, Oracle might drop or slowly fade out linux support, deployments, and recommendations.
Also, since Oracle now owns the rights to Solaris, it will probably move it's developers off of linux platforms, and back onto Solaris. - Creeture, on 04/21/2009, -2/+11I'm not a fan of Oracle's database (it ceased to be a database a long time ago and is now nearly its own operating system), but their OSS contributions aren't inconsequential. http://oss.oracle.com/
MySQL won't die, it will become another product offering from Oracle. They have their big daddy database, but have started to realize that the web application framework that developers are comfortable using uses the light, fast, EASY MySQL. They'd like to have a piece of that pie as well.
Solaris is a tough call. We're a big Solaris shop, big Sun server shop. It's not the prettiest OS on the planet, but some of the things they have done lately (ZFS, SMF) are truly excellent. Their biggest downfall seems to be in their insistence that EVERYTHING remains backward compatible absolutely forever and a stubborn approach to delivering the GNU enhanced tools that people use every day (recursive grep, recent net-snmp).
I think this purchase is a very synergistic move, but I guess we'll see. - Filter, on 04/21/2009, -0/+8If Oracle knows what's good for them they will continue to contribute to the Sun open source software collection. Something tells me that MySQL, OpenOffice.org, NetBeans, and others aren't going anywhere soon. In fact I'm almost they are the secondary reason that Oracle bought Sun, Java being the primary reason. Besides, how many database/system admins do you know that are open source advocates and would refuse to use Oracle in anything new if they attempted to destroy the open source world?
I guess time will tell. - sl123000, on 04/21/2009, -0/+8I have no idea what any of that means, but it sounds like a lot. Dugg.
- Altotus, on 04/21/2009, -0/+8You wouldn't know it by using Oracle products, though. They ship, what, Java 1.1.8 with their products? FTW?
- MattBD, on 04/21/2009, -2/+10I reckon if Oracle keep their Linux distro going alongside Solaris then we could well see ZFS being relicensed under the GPL, as they would no doubt want to be able to offer this great filesystem on all their OS products. But I'm not too sure whether they'd want to offer more than one Unix-like OS.
On the other hand, even if they ditched their Linux distro and went with Solaris, there could well be good reasons for them to relicense part of that under the GPL. A GPL'd OpenSolaris could benefit both the Linux and Solaris ecosystems - doesn't OpenSolaris lack in terms of hardware support because as the CDDL isn't compatible with the GP they can't just port Linux drivers across? - creamboat, on 04/21/2009, -1/+9Hahah, what does this have to do with Linux? Honestly?
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