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- Loonacy, on 08/09/2008, -2/+29Linux Torvalds, developer of the Linus kernel, duh.
- Katana314, on 08/09/2008, -3/+26I am so annoyed that EVERY. SINGLE. IT. JOB. on monster.com has "Requires 1 or more years of experience in this field."
There's a hole in the bucket! - Soldierboi, on 08/09/2008, -0/+20True, it may not pay the bills. However, one can get involved in an Open Source project while going to school to gain much needed experience to enter the job market after graduation. + Some of the bigger projects look pretty damn good on a resume...
- UberNick, on 08/09/2008, -3/+19Linux Torvalds?
- claybird, on 08/09/2008, -1/+11.... way to go admitting you lied on your resume "Royall Spence". Good move.
- niradg, on 08/08/2008, -0/+10Cool. It's good to see a Drupal/SOC story on Digg.
- paradexes, on 08/09/2008, -1/+11I am just hungry for a sandwich.
Companies like Google hire people with FOSS knowledge, VMware, Novell, IBM, RedHat and a ton of companies. So who says you would make chump change? At that point it would be your own knowledge (or lack of it) that will deter you or propel you to success. - coreyb, on 08/09/2008, -3/+13You obviously don't understand open source organizations then...
- NOFXY, on 08/09/2008, -1/+8Ya no *****. No one wants to give you _A_ chance, they all want experience. You got to start somewhere. I got my associates in computer science at 17. My resume been on monster _SINCE THEN_. That was 11 years ago, been flipping burgers _SINCE_.
If that's how your resume reads I wouldn't hire you either. damn. - NOFXY, on 08/09/2008, -1/+8_YOU'RE_ all a bunch of turds. Nothing more constructive to say than _PICKING_ on _MY_ grammar, spelling, slang and sentence structure etc. I'm not applying for digg you asses. It's a ***** comment, not an essay, not a novel, and not a resume, get over your ***** selves.
- Outdoor83, on 08/09/2008, -1/+7Ha! If that's your hiring philosophy, I can promise you that your organization isn't fun and, therefore, said employee won't work for you. He'll work for the company with less *****.
Good luck with that ol' business there. - natmaster, on 08/09/2008, -0/+6Why do companies recruit at colleges if there are no "entry level positions"?
- Oea420, on 08/09/2008, -0/+6You aren't trying hard enough or your resume is terrible if you can't land a better job than flipping burgers with an AS in Comp Sci. Experience is easy to *****, as long as you know the material...
- kiegh, on 08/09/2008, -1/+7Sadly, if your resume reads anything like your post here, there is good reason behind that situation.
- akkuma, on 08/09/2008, -0/+5As someone who started my first official full time last year in June and someone who helps recruit for my company, you are the kind of person who no one should hire.
How about you guys do what myself and nearly any other competent person does, get a summer co-op/internship or even go to a college like I did that has co-op has a requirement to graduate. You do realize you can make some pretty good money doing that, correct? Much better than you can probably make doing anything else. Oh and guess what, that is real world work experience that you can put on your resume and impress people with. No matter what school work still isn't nearly as impressive as real experience.
I had 0 issues trying to find a job and had plenty of offers to choose from. - mizike, on 08/09/2008, -0/+4If you cut through all the rah rah open source is the best thing evar *****, the article actually offers decent advice that I could summarize in 5 words: Can't get a job? volunteer!. Most companies care about 1000x more about relevant work experience than any thing you've learned in school. If you can intern for credit great, if you can't (as most internships worth doing are highly competitive) consider working for free, even something small like 5 hours a week looks great on a resume. Also don't be afraid to set up your own internship somewhere, I know quite a few people that got to work (for credit) at kickass places because they had the wherewithal to set it up on their own.
- powatom, on 08/09/2008, -0/+4I'm a graduate with a first class honours degree in Software Development. Can't get a job because everyone wants 2 years experience in a related field - so I spend my time on the bread-line doing freelance IT support and web development and hoping something comes along. Can't get a job stacking shelves because everybody thinks I'm going to just quit as soon as something better comes along (which is true). I have tons of friends in this position, and it's horrible.
Over-qualified and under-experienced seems to be the norm for IT / Development graduates these days :/ - Barackalypse, on 08/09/2008, -1/+5Really, where I went to school we had a solution to graduating with no experience and it didn't even require you to work for free; we called it co-op or an internship wherein you took a semester or two starting in sophmore or junior years and worked at a company in place of attending school. As a side benefit a decent number of co-ops ended up in job offers at that company upon graduation.
Alternatively, you might wish to avoid careers where you can't get hired straight out of college, this is a sure sign of lack of sufficient demand. - AriaStar, on 08/09/2008, -0/+4My catch is I have experience, but no degree. It's hard as ***** finding a new job (laid off when my e-mail security job was outsourced to Russia - irony?) when damned near every job out there wants a degree AND experience. It's a ***** field right now.
- synystar, on 08/09/2008, -2/+6You wouldn't work for chump change. You would work for free. Obviously you wouldn't be suitable anyway. The Open Source community needs talented people who actually care.
- whatdotcolor, on 08/09/2008, -0/+310 is too few. For my first internship, I applied to 50 and ended up at ATI.
- bagboyrebel, on 08/09/2008, -0/+3no, you didn't.
- sirhomer, on 08/09/2008, -2/+5I wouldn't say that, a company like Google or Microsoft is specifically looking for an excellent background in theoretical knowledge. You can't do anything sufficiently complex (like the work the major software companies do) in software engineering without a strong background in algorithms, complexity theory, computational probability and graph theory. You can certainly lead a job as a code monkey writing business apps though, but you probably wouldn't be any good at that either.
You should really read up on the interviews in these companies before you say such inaccuracies. - iamcool, on 08/09/2008, -0/+3It's not just your first job, it's any job. Even with a degree and experience it can be near impossible. Employers want multi-year experience in the software they are currently using. So even though you've installed databases and performed SQL from command line for the last several years, it's unlikely you'll get that job simple because your last job didn't use the software they are using.
- whatdotcolor, on 08/09/2008, -0/+3Maybe its because you spelled since as sense
- phlamingtoad, on 08/09/2008, -1/+4I just graduated in May and when i put up my resume on monster I received a call almost every day about it...I had no problem finding a position, and I by no means came from a prestigious school. Try harder?
after reading the past 20 comments, you're all going to pissed off after reading this :- - ExRe, on 08/09/2008, -0/+3Actually, there is in Support.
Also, you _can_ charge for open source software. I write OSS myself and have a couple "premium" applications which are only given to donors (but it is only $5 to have access to all of the premium applications and basic support). - ray4389, on 08/09/2008, -1/+4That's why I'm computer science where I've been offered jobs and I'm only a sophomore in college
FTW = CS > IT - atruevoice, on 08/09/2008, -0/+3If you live in the US right now you did :) hehe
- whatdotcolor, on 08/09/2008, -2/+5This is completely *****. Summer internships in the IT sector are very easy to come by. I'm currently a Junior and I've already worked at NVIDIA, Google, Morgan Stanley, and turned down an offer from Microsoft.
If you're good, top notch companies will hire you and pay you regardless of experience. And if you're not, you should consider switching out of IT, because any job you get can and will be outsourced. - ExRe, on 08/09/2008, -0/+3That's too bad. Most of the stuff you learned probably could have been self taught through working with OSS for those 4 years. After that you'd have something much more valuable than a degree, 4 years of experience programming, possibly on projects used by tens or hundreds of thousands of people. And it costs you a grand total of $0 to get that, you can even do it in your free time whenever you feel like it, and you can even have a full time job at the same time!
- Barackalypse, on 08/09/2008, -3/+5You obviously don't understand the point of a job for most people. The point of you having a job isn't to accomplish work, its to get paid.
- nesagwa, on 08/09/2008, -1/+3Boy, I cant believe you bought all the ***** lies they fed you about finding a good 50k+ a year job right out of college.
- Barackalypse, on 08/09/2008, -7/+9When I see open source experience I get excited because I think to myself "if this guy will work for free, I've simply got to convince him work at my organization is fun and greatly benefits society and then maybe I can low ball him into working 60 hours a week for $40k a year"
- diemunkiesdie, on 08/09/2008, -3/+5Enlighten him/us how open source companies make money!
- mikesown, on 08/09/2008, -2/+4This is a very stupid way to get a job after college - a VERY stupid way. If you want a real job right out of college, just get internships during the year - you earn some scratch($4000-$6000 for the summer and you get free housing) and gain a ton of work experience in a real company. So if you've completed an internship after your Freshman, Sophomore and Junior years, you'll have the equivalent of 3/4 of a year of work experience(and better still, with multiple companies). You'll also gain a ton of contacts. There's very little money in open source programming and while it may be good to strengthen yourself as a programmer and to keep sharp, it's a horrible way to impress employers considering the alternatives.
- mizike, on 08/09/2008, -1/+3Wow a whole 10+ companies? I sent out like 250 resumes before I got a job I was happy with after I graduated.
- inactive, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2I started out in my company at a different position and slowly worked my way in to the IT department by volunteering to help out on my own time. Old school. My boss recognized my passion for the industry and worked his ass off to get me transferred. The first thing he did once I was in his department was give me a huge raise so that I made a decent wage.
- Daiken, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2Yeah, getting that first job is a real pain in the neck. I don't think I could have even gotten an internship without getting hooked up for my first job from a friend.
- Outdoor83, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2Actually, turns out that you did. If you have a 4-year degree with mediocre grades / recommendations and no experience, you're not getting hired any place good. Sure, you can get a crap job that you'll wish you could quit every day of your life, but who wants that?
- Aurabolt, on 08/09/2008, -2/+4Well I'm working at a local fast food place this summer.. I applied to 10+ companies and I got ignored by them all, but I've only completed 2 years of IT so far... Hopefully I'll have better luck finding an entry-level co-op somewhere soon...
- aserer511, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2" There is no such thing as an entry-level position anymore,"
Can someone elaborate on this? - BradMajors, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2The root of the problem is IT is not a growth industry. There isn't enough new positions being created that the job pool needs to be increased by adding new (unexperienced) workers.
- beaunewcomb, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2but is it the industry's fault, or your fault that you've gotten ignored?
The biggest mistake many job seekers make is that they just shotgun their resume to more than one company... managers notice that right from the get-go. Every resume you send out needs to be tailored to that job... you have to know what their buttons are, and push them in your resume. - Eezyville, on 08/09/2008, -0/+2I understand how you feel because I'll be in a similar position when I graduate but you gotta get some experience somehow. Just make sure you have enough money to live OK and do some side jobs.
- fabkebab, on 08/09/2008, -0/+1I think if you are young, and have a desire to be a programmer, you should seriously consider trying it on your own before joining a corporation - If I were starting again in IT, back as a 22 year old, I would be putting my time into MY OWN BUSINESS not working for someone else- 90% of the software that gets me inspired has its roots in the efforts of an individual or a small team.
- stuffradio, on 08/09/2008, -1/+2I'm pissed!
- prammy, on 08/09/2008, -3/+4So you got your associates at 17 which you said was 11 years ago and your resume has been on monster.com since.
That would mean that you have had your resume on Monster from 1991. Which is obviously a load of crap since Monster came out in 1999.
Here are the reasons you can't get an IT job.
1. Your spelling, grammar and conversational skills are atrocious. (based on your responses)
2. You are obviously a liar.
3. You are not a good liar. - Outdoor83, on 08/09/2008, -0/+1You speak the truth, and I'm sure it scares the medicore people without experience :)
- Outdoor83, on 08/09/2008, -1/+2You have to apply to like 5, work hard on those applications (tailor them to the position, call a bunch, etc). When one goes dry, pick up another. Do as many as you possibly can until you spend most of your day on this.
Working fast food is a tragedy: that's a summer you could be getting real experience. Seriously, immediately keep applying. -
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