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- Balla79, on 08/20/2008, -1/+21Or just go to http://virtualbox.org , download the .deb for Ubuntu Hardy open and install. Voila.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -4/+24"Getting a working vmtools installation into a freshly upgraded Ubuntu 8.04 is a simple matter of rebuilding the right modules against the newer kernel and rolling them up into a tarball."
HELL YEAH! LINUX IS READY FOR MAINSTREAM USE! Look out, Windows. - scy1192, on 08/20/2008, -5/+20Seriously, that's what you call simple? Why should you need to rebuild and recompile? Why doesn't it work right when you install it? Usability is lacking.
- Avian00, on 08/20/2008, -2/+17"simple matter of rebuilding the right modules against the newer kernel and rolling them up into a tarball"
Seriously? It's this kind of crap that moved me to the Mac as my desktop of choice. I'm a Unix admin by day, so it's not that I CAN'T do it. It's that I don't WANT to do it. When I come home from work, I just want to use my computer, not compile kernel modules. - bsolidgold, on 08/19/2008, -2/+15This should come in handy.
- aussiebuddha, on 08/20/2008, -0/+8mate i completely agree with you. I had the exact same scenario myself being a unix admin
- Balla79, on 08/20/2008, -0/+8So you are saying that I as a software developer can't make it difficult for Windows users? I can't force you to have to compile the source code? Yes I can.
Could the Wmware team just create a double-clickable .deb package, just like Virtualbox does? Yes, they can.
The point is, it's not really about the OS, but the software vendors. If it was impossible to make it easy for WMware to make it easy for the Linux users, I would have understood your point. But it's not. - ilikedthecore, on 08/20/2008, -2/+9Wow, if that's simple I'd hate to see how you achieve something difficult.
- Balla79, on 08/20/2008, -0/+7Sigh. WTF is a .exe or .dmg? Some goofy ass Windows and Mac thing where instead of using standard PC terminology like "install.deb" some geeks made up some inside joke and codified it?
- sodade, on 08/20/2008, -2/+8I agree. I have been thinking of setting up my VMWare machine to run on Ubuntu instead of XP. I thought it would be easy until I read this: " simple matter of rebuilding the right modules against the newer kernel and rolling them up into a tarball."
WTF linux people? Haven't you ***** figured out setup.exe, next next finish?
Once again, I shelve my aspirations to move away from MS and wait for a better day. - srg13, on 08/20/2008, -2/+7Well, I find copy and pasting a few lines into the terminal simple... They are pretty straight forward instructions.
And as for the reason you have to do this - just because the project hasn't provided any binaries for it. And why would you need vmtools by default anyway? It's just a waste of space for the 99% of Linux users who aren't running it in VMware.. - moduc, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5Yes, VirtualBox. I run it for work OS every day. It is included by default on OpenSuse 11 disc. Just install it using the package manager. Very simple, works great.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+5Utterly ridiculous. Can you imagine if every electronic appliance worked like this? "Gee, I would like to watch a little television or maybe fire up the old gaming console, but I am not sure I want to spend the half hour recompiling software on my television." Meh.
- macewan, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3For what it's worth, full screen Ubuntu under vmware rocks on the MacBook Air.
- oobuntu, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2agreed - could at least add some value by explaining what vmware tools actually adds, and the article implies that this is only vmware fusion specific.
- neasteflorin, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Why is this trend of copy pasting someone else’s material on the rise? And not even a link to the original article. Just copy paste and submit to Digg then lay back and be rich… Not the way to do it.
Just do a google on ‘install vmware tools ubuntu’ and find LOTS of thorough guides on this topic. - insanebrain, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Had the same idea. .. I've been running XP in it for the last half year and I'm very happy with it. .. runs like a charm.
- PJBovoNox, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3Microsoft can't do anything about it either but you don't have to jump through hoops on Windows to get that working. Or OS X for that matter.
- deadbeatsaint, on 08/20/2008, -2/+3I understand the sentiment, but really, once the fundamentals are grasped, it actually is _REALLY_ easy. So easy in fact, that its painfully intuitive. Most "linux" people don't even bother looking at those instructions as they're the same thing as "Download setup.exe.zip", "Place in Folder C:Temp", "Unpack setup.exe.zip", "Double-click on setup_install_folder", "Double-click on setup.exe", "Hit Next", "Hit Next Again", "Choose Directory where Original_Program_Youre_Getting_To_Work_Resides", "Click Finish"
Do you bother reading those stupid windows instructions? Probably not unless you really aren't a "windows power user".
Do linux people get all "WTF Windows people?"
..maybe they do.. maybe they do... but I digress - sodade, on 08/20/2008, -3/+4setup.exe or STFU - why can't you geeks shield users from crap like compiling? It can't be that hard.
- reginaldino, on 08/20/2008, -2/+3why are people so afraid of the word "compile". It's not as if you are having to do anything
- inactive, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1copy/paste and shared folders are in VMware/Virtual PC for Windows right after the install. No extra work required.
- Culyt, on 08/20/2008, -1/+2XP runs like a charm?
Is it a virtualization solution or hard drugs? - flibblesan, on 08/20/2008, -1/+2Virtualbox is not VMWare, so you made a mistake.
- Rocketmac, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1To note, it works well for RedHat-based Distros. There is only so many tools packages that can be put into the installer and tested by a QA group at one time.
- Icetype, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1I always have mouse problems with vmware. VirtualBox FTW for me.
- agentlame, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1What? Now people are arguing file extensions?
By your logic, Office 2008 is a "codified inside joke." Whatever the ***** that means.
Why would ANYONE care if they double click on setup.deb or setup.exe, so long as it installs the damned software?
Also, *.exe is not a 'standard', NOR is it something people look for/expect, considering Windows doesn't show known file extension, and hasn't for eight years. - IceHunter, on 01/16/2009, -0/+1""simple matter of rebuilding the right modules against the newer kernel and rolling them up into a tarball""
Whatever that means in english. - HeavyMetaler, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1All of those stating that this sort of practice is ridiculous are idiots. You are failing to realize that if you were to install Linux on your computer they way it's intended to be installed this has no relevance. This only applies to those running newer Linux kernels in VMware. If you are arguing usability compare apples to apples not apples to oranges. Yes I can see some would prefer to "try" Linux through VMware but this is only a matter of VMware releasing newer vmware tools builds to support the newer Kernels. This is a case of the rapid change in the Linux kernel vs. the Windows kernel. This is comparable to an XP->Vista upgrade where compatibility issues exist in the different OS's preventing a kernel module(Windows Driver) from loading. The nice part of this scenario is that you actually have a "choice" to compile the module from source against your new kernel as opposed to waiting for the software/hardware vendor to release a pre-built module that works on your kernel. It's all about freedoms. Ie: A piece of your hardware does not work on Windows Vista and you have to wait for the hardware vendor to release a new driver. Let's say the hardware vendor provided you with the source code to build the driver yourself. I will have to say that this would be a much greater challenge under Windows than doing the equivalent task on Linux. It is mostly that you don't understand what this article is even talking about.
- sancho, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1"And as for the reason you have to do this - just because the project hasn't provided any binaries for it."
It's not just this. Linux doesn't have a stable ABI, even for minor kernel versions. Any kernel module will need to be recompiled if you update your kernel. For modules which come with the kernel (the vast majority of them) this is transparent--you're compiling the modules at the same time as the kernel. For anything else, it requires an extra step.
This makes binary kernel modules a pain to work with in Linux. On the one hand, it's an incentive to GPL your drivers, and for users to avoid binary-only modules. On the other, it reduces flexibility. - Eezyville, on 08/20/2008, -1/+2Can I use my video card on a virtual machine instead of a virtual video card? No. Then I don't care.
- moduc, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1Can't beat the open source VirtualBox.
1) Included with the OpenSuse 11, so no download needed
2) Open source, so it's free and open
3) Simple to use, graphical
4) Very stable
5) Fast virtual machine
6) Can create snapshot
7) Re-sizable guest desktop (resize at any resolution you want)
8) Share folders and clipboard - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1Virtal PC 2007 in most windows platform is only a few minutes to download and installs in udner 5 minutes. You can install a host OS rather easily. You can probably have that done before those "simple" Linux steps.
I'm just saying... - reqage, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1When I installed virtualbox, it nuked my graphics and wireless settings. When compiz fusion would load, I would get the famous "white screen". As for the wireless, the only connection available after the install was wired. After looking at forums/wiki pages for about 2 hours and not finding the solution, I decided to just reinstall. Besides, VMware Server is free, you just need to register to have keys sent to your email.
- sodade, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1The problem with your well stated argument is that the way things are done in Windows has been a PC computing standard for 20 years. *nix might have been around longer, but have never had the market penetration. If Linux wants market penetration, devs need to make this ***** easy for the masses that all know how to install an app in Windows.
And I will admit that while the back-end part of app installation in Windows sucks hard, they have the front end down. - agentlame, on 08/21/2008, -1/+1Because if pisses all over the point of package-management.
Aversion != fear. - computershack, on 08/20/2008, -3/+2OK, lets assume you don't have internet access but need to achieve this. How would you have found out how to do it?
- Skinnytroll, on 08/20/2008, -3/+2Awesome. This could be very useful.
- cflong, on 08/20/2008, -1/+0Keep in mind that these steps aren't required to get the guest os up and running. This to get the vmware-tools package working correctly with newer linux guests. It adds advanced functionality like copying and pasting between VM's and connecting to shared folders on the host system.
An at least as functional as virtual PC guest Linux install is still quick and painless with VMware. Also, VirtualBox is a pretty nice cross-platform alternative. - daftman, on 08/20/2008, -2/+1why are you running vmware or virtual box at home again?
If you're lazy, stick to the appliances like ipod, xbox, light switches.
I don't think that this virtual machine thing is meant for lazy people who don't want to do anything at home. - Balla79, on 08/20/2008, -2/+0So what can "Linux" do about how WMware are distributing their software?
- pinchduck, on 08/20/2008, -5/+2"When you're negotiating with the Pentagon, you value stability in an application...It's just so easy"
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/257357/switch_to_lin ... - sodade, on 08/20/2008, -6/+1Sigh. WTF is a .deb? Some goofy ass linux thing where instead of using standard PC terminology like "setup.exe" some geeks made up some inside joke and codified it?
- computershack, on 08/20/2008, -7/+1I hate Linux (because of the uber fanboiism) but even I'm not so stupid as to think this is the only way to do it. As Balla79 said, the precompiled .deb files already exist. Articles like this don't do Linux any favours and neither do the people who Digg such utter *****.
I'm confused. Is Linuxhaxor.net supposed to be a pro-Linux site, because it seems to do its very best to make simple tasks in Linux look like you need to be Torvalds right hand man to do anything.
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