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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Was anyone suggesting open source *would* die? I've seen a million "MS/Sony/etc are doomed" stories, but I don't recall any about OSS being doomed.
- V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19Remember: open source doesn't mean just Linux. There's a lot of other OS's and programs that are open source that run on Windows etc.
- joe90210, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17neither will proprietary software ever die. The world needs both.
- pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9Maybe you should read that article you linked.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Pal, It'd be worth it just to see PEOPLE LIKE YOU out of a job.
Get this through your wooden head: proprietary software means JUST YOU have a job. Which you had to pay thousands of dollars in license, patent fees, and certificates to get and maintain.
Open Source means ALL OF US have a job. Free for the learning!
That's all there is to it, and you know it damn well. You also know that your career prospects will multiply a thousand-fold, as hundreds of businesses which couldn't even AFFORD TO BE IN BUSINESS suddenly have a need to hire an expert. It just pisses you off that some of us with brains can get to the same place you had to pay for 10 years of college and five years of ass-kissing to get to. Well, it's not our fault you're too stupid. We're going to progress anyway.
With people like you in charge, we'd be supressing the invention of the car just so you could have security in your blacksmith career making horseshoes all day. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Once again, I'm the only one to remember Plan 9 from Ball Labs and ReactOS. I've an eye towards crossing them and installing the hybrid into a mecha-Frankenstein that will stagger around the countryside terrifying the masses.
- Canute, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6You can't kill an idea, which is basicly what open source is.
- BrainInAJar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6There's also FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, Darwin, and my personal favorite, OpenSolaris
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4*Psssst* Doghound! Meet r2d7, one of our more active trolls here in the Diggzone.
- gorndog, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Joe, Yes, even an open source car!
www.theoscarproject.org/ - drag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I thought that was what all the endless stream of 'Playstation teh suck, I luv Xbox, WII FTW!!!!' articles were...
- CharlesGriswold, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Would you like to see us all out of job? If not plz stop now. Stop all the open source movement."
News flash! Construction workers put out of work by open source text editor! Film at eleven.
"You're not only destroying Microsoft,"
If only it were that simple.
"but you are also putting the thousands of programmers out of jobs and creative micro independent software vendors out of business."
Care to back up this assertion?
"Come on guys, have you ever seen open-cars, open-handphones, open-watches, etc? Why open-source then?"
Says the guy who can't tell the difference between physical objects and information.
"If this continues, then there will be no more creativity and innovation in software industry."
This is why, of course, Microsoft is copying ideas from Opera (free) and Firefox (open source) for IE7. 'Cause open source can't innovate. - idiggeverything, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I heard it died yesterday. Bummer.
- JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -6/+8Long live the GNU system.
- Doghound, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The kind of support I'm talking about is paid support (licensing). Granted, the string of people you can contact may work for a company or person that can afford to wait for answers to a problem.
Now let's take a look at AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc... they use both proprietary and open source solutions. However, the open source solutions they have are leased/licensed through another company (HP UNIX, for example). Why do they do this? Becuase with that license, if anything goes wrong, HP will gaurantee that company that experts will come on site and start working on the problem within the hour.
The bigger companies don't have the comfort of waiting an hour for a possible solution to be posted to their forum post. They need experts on the spot immediately so that the problem can be fixed ASAP and that their customers are not ticked off. - woohoo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4@ shrewduser:
you f***ing have no idea about the "soviet style" (or other "styles" for that matter) you're talking about, so stfu. - ayeroxor, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4"Open Source Will Never Die, Long Live the Penguins!"
Using periods to end sentences must die, stop using periods! - Doghound, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Of course Open Source will never die... Open Source is the way for people to express themselves and to program something that they normally wouldn't.
For example, I'm a CompSci major and haven't coded in almost 5 months until just the other night. Why? 'Cause in my line of work (consulting) I have to wait for the work to come my way, basically (it's a little more complicated than that). Long story short, I was very excited to spend only 2 hours coding something for a collegue that was a simple console program that made his life 100 times easier
Open Source is a great way for a community of programmers to gather, do what they want & love to do, and express themselves in ways they may not be able to or have not been able to.
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There are, of course, other reasons why open source will never disappear, but I think this is one of the biggest reasons why - XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4WHAT THE ***** OPEN SOURCE IS NOT ALL ABOUT GEEKDOM! You think open source is only for hackers? SON OF A BITCH!
- benplaut, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3This is called ''pre speculation retaliation"
or something like that... - drag, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5
"- Proprietary software is released by a major corporation that other croporations can trust (licensing & support reasons)."
Your assuming that corporations trust each other. It's not nessicarially true.
Also your assuming that you don't get support for open source software, which is definately not true.
Keep in mined that one of the major attractive aspects of open source over propriatory software is that if you depend on open source software you can go to other developers, other companies and get support. You can't do that with propriatory software.
With propriatory software and you make it part of your corporate infrastructure then basicly your investment can be used against you to by another company to extort money from you. This does happen and I've seen it happen. - XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2No, you can't kill open source because the ideal and the project is there, no one can take it, if the main project dies and there is a need for this program, someone can take it and improve it. If microsoft dies now (Please, die microsoft!) there will be no one to resurrect it and all you n00bs who feared linux would understand that you sucked all along.
- BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1..."This is not happening yet becoz there are still smart programmer like me who will never write software for free."...
Damn, you can barely string a sentence together, let alone an intelligent one. I hope for your sake English isn't your first language.
If the only thing that can save your tenuous grip on your job is if ALL the actual programmers in the world are "in on the scam", you should consider getting an honest decent job which you CAN do, like roadsweeping or bricklaying.
You're calling real programmers idiots whilst suggesting we lock people into paying through the nose for any old quackery like lawyers do? Pah! Back under your rock, VB user. - DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anything that rises to power will eventually fall.
- Doghound, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Maybe I should ellaborate on the story...
Let me first start by explaining my job because, especially with your first post, I can guess you don't know what a consultant does. Or at least not what a consultant with a huge firm does; you might know what a freelance consultant does, but this is not what's on the block. I work for a rather large consulting firm working with SAP CRM, and the work is slow right now. I have been doing training and proposal work for the past few months. It's not like I have been sitting around for 5 months waiting for that one 2 hour job to program something.
Now, refering to your last post, your first statement was correct. How does this relate to the rest of my story? I look at my passion for enjoying that 2 hours of programming as a microscopic version of an open source programmer enjoying spending his/her time contributing to a huge application that mimics MS Office (for example). In the same ratio that I enjoy programming something to help 1 person improve their productivity, another person may enjoy programming something else that helps 1,000 people improver their productivity.
As for this little segment:
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""For example, I'm a CompSci major and haven't coded in almost 5 months until just the other night."
No connection with your opening statement.
"Why? 'Cause in my line of work (consulting) I have to wait for the work to come my way, basically (it's a little more complicated than that)."
No connection with your opening statement."
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Have you ever heard of a background? Some building up of a story? They have relevance to my point because they explain who I am and why I can say I understand the passion of someone who has passion coding for open source projects.
Also, about my other my other examples were not supposed to be connected to my story ('example' as you put it... with the quotes). You stated this: "There are of course, real reasons why open source will never disappear." I thought I'd state some of those reasons as I see them. And if you have more, please, as I already said, eloborate on them. - Daedalus17, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Why do we have totally useless article like this? This is why we left Slashdot don't make us leave Digg too!
- V1ncent, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Canute: You can't kill an idea but you sure can kill the idealist!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I don't think it's mental masturbation, I think it's just a good old fashioned circle jerk.
- uNCLEmIRACLE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I thought it is something about 'open sourcing Wii'.
Maybe I've got some syndrome. - Doghound, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If that happens, then I hope at that time you are very satisfied with the current software (OS, browser, etc) you are using and the features it provides.
Because once open source dies, as you hope it will, you better kiss goodbye some of the advances in OS's and Browsers you have been seeing lately. - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1..."This is not happening yet becoz there are still smart programmer like me who will never write software for free. If open-source takes overs, no company would ever want to spend money on R&D as their money spent on open-source software would be copied within hours by competitor without patent and intellectual property law protection. Just look at what Oracle is doing to RedHat now?
I have to agree that certain application is better off open-source in the sense that you should publicize the source code but copyright of the IP still belongs to the owner. For example, Operating Systems, where people need to know the internals of APIs in order to develop better applications. Microsoft should open up their Windows source code but not GPL it."...
Damn, you can barely string a sentence together, let alone an intelligent one.
If the only thing that can save your tenuous grip on your job is if ALL the actual programmers in the world are "in on the scam", you should consider getting an honest job like roadsweeping or bricklaying.
You're calling real programmers idiots whilst suggesting we lock people into paying through the nose for any old quackery like lawyers do? Pah! Back under your rock, VB user. - CharlesGriswold, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I hope that opensource will eventually die with all its linuxfirefox crap."
Yeah, 'cause then you'll be able to go back to using closed source programs, instead of being forced to use OSS "crap". *rolls eyes* - BlackAdderIII, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1digg that last comment down, and this one, please.
- Doghound, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I felt that my story was pretty relevant, actually, I think you just missed the point. I'm an engineer that chose a career path that is more business oriented than not. Recently I haven't had the opportunity to code anything in any language (HTML included). Now, although I don't see myself getting involved in a major open source program, imagine someone who is a die hard programmer who hasn't touched a compiler in 5 months...
However------
---- you want more realistic examples? I mean, I thought my idea was good, but I guess I need to provide a better one for you...
- To provide free alternatives to the masses that are as equally stable as their expensive counterparts.
- To introduce new ways of doing things that are more effecient, more secure, or more reliable than the current proprietary way of doing something
- To be a platform for new ideas that can be tested and debugged by the masses that can lead to new, and possibly, breakthrough ideas for the computer world.
- To keep the proprietary software on its toes and make sure they are also advancing (competition).
Those are a few I can think of off the top of my head. If you want more, I'm sure I can think of a couple more.
Otherwise, please ellaborate.
(Also, as a note to you r2d7, I wont digg or diggdown your comments during this conversation. Any fluctuations in your comments are other people's doing...) - 1nc0gnito, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh yes....linuxfirefox crap....mmmm internet exploder is Muuuuch better eh (where the hell did MS get the idea for tabs hmm) ? how bout them licensing fees and and unexplained errors. Want some viruses and spyware with that meal ? Oh wait wait I know one even better...need help ? call the tech support in another country and pay for it...god knows you ms people are soooo smart. Is that why the corporation I work for (AT&T) uses unix and linux to run there backbone servers ? of coarse not, they run them because they want to offer you the worst possible experience, because windows bless its soul never crashes and stops. hmph...I hope my penguin p00pz on yer doorstep when you walk out in yer barefeet to get the paper you cant read.
- CharlesGriswold, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Meh. I'm a (rabid?) fan of the open source model and even I don't like the article. He's preaching to the choir and his sermon isn't very interesting.
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Says who? I hear redhat make some 300 million a year, quite a bit of money ;)
- Phocion55, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2THis guy must be getting paid by MS to post on here.
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I don't have to compile my kernel, you suck at fanboyism, sucker.
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I only agree with you when it comes to Windows, it will fall, and big time.
- esengulov, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3open source wwill live long, as we will keep debuggin it. Just kidding. Open source software make web miore democratic and oushes innovation forward
- subgeniusd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I know it was a rather long article with lots and lots of wwwoooorrdss but try to work your way through it then re-read your comment.
Digg is an ever growing community which includes some smart kids for whom the article will be all "news". Some Diggers and submissions are obviously fanboy but not this time.
BTW-spellcheck only takes a few seconds. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Just uninstalled that bloated POS they call Quicktime , in favor of VLC media player. VLC is much lighter weight and does more at the same time.Quicktime had NO right-click functionality on it at all, and showed up in add/remove programs as 71 megs ! Opensource has a new convert. I don`t want anything Apple on my system.
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1The only fanboy in this story is you.
- bobmagoo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3linux(and all the other open source software/OS's) will probably never die, but will never reach a point of major popularity.(Firefox being an exception)
Open source is a much needed facet of technology, but i dont see it moving much farther than what it has accomplished so far in terms of market share, destined to live in limbo between death and successful life
That said, hacking or doing anything security related on linux is awesome because there are so many small little apps that, while minimalistic(dang coders dont wanna make GUI's for us windows converts) can do some crazy stuff - Doghound, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Oviously not to you they dont, but "employee", "contractor", and "consultant" all imply different things to me. Granted their meanings can change ever so slightly when put into context, but for the most part I have observed that they mostly hold true to what they mean on their own.
As far as your ripping up my background, you still don't understand. It's not SAP/CRM... it's SAP CRM... two words. SAP is a product, CRM is a methodology, and SAP CRM is a package you sell. Also, no one came to me to code something for them. They mentioned what they had to do and I chose to write them a program.
Now, enough of clearing that up... I think we need to back up a bit. According to your last post it sounds like you are taking the stand point of using Open Source in a business. I am talking about the development of Open Source for everyone to use. Am I wrong in that?
If I'm not, then the answer to your question "Feelings is the most you could come up with for how open source will never die?" is a definate YES! Seriously, if people were force to code open source, they wouldn't. I can understand using it as a business necessity by finding the customizable program on SourceForge, but where do you think those programs on SF come from? From people who are passionate (a feeling) about providing a free alternative or, in some cases, software that doesn't exist for the platform (i.e.- the Intel 2200 wireless adapter drivers for Linux). Also, you question completely ignores the other 4 reasons that I mentioned... in your words "Congratulations on avoiding all of them." - JQP123, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2A good example of what is known as "mental masturbation".
- woohoo, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@ tech42er:
check your syntax, man, "your" in this case should be "you're". Perhaps you're just another American illiterate? - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Chill out, sucker. And go recompile your kernel.
- dwhitbeck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2At least when I buy a car it is mine. I can sell it when I want to , I don't have to call the manufacturer to reactivate it if I put new brakes or a muffler on it.
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