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- neoform, on 10/12/2007, -9/+150Anyone have this guy's address? I wanna punch him in the face.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -3/+131Hurry up, let's sue somebody because the air is free.
- frase, on 10/12/2007, -3/+131That guy's bonkers!
Glad to see common sense prevail here. - shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -3/+110nothing should be free because that would be unfair competitively to someone wanting to sell that thing for money.....
[end sarcasm] - shrewduser, on 10/12/2007, -2/+57what on earth are you talking about? do you even understand my rhetoric? i find it hard to believe someone could interpret that as trolling...
- Llan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+48Here, I'll give you 10 € if you use my software.
See, free is not unbeatable. - Nogger, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47> She was immediately offended at the idea that someone should offer
> software for free, ruining business for proprietary software manufacturers
She better not offer you sex for free, this really is ruining the business of women offering sex for money. And she better not let you see her naked again, this is depriving strip joints of business. - bieber, on 10/12/2007, -0/+39Heh. I once had a girlfriend, to whom I tried to explain free software. She was immediately offended at the idea that someone should offer software for free, ruining business for proprietary software manufacturers. Not unlike Mr. Wallace, I suppose...
- XVampireX, on 10/12/2007, -7/+44Ah, sorry, read it again now, I think I was just either mad or sleepy. You're right.
- lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+39Some other bonker in Britain tried to sue Firefox's creator for the same thing. Also failed utterly. How idiotic can people become!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+40"People willingly pay for quality software even when they can get free (but imperfect) substitutes," the judges wrote in a six-page opinion
Nice "victory" for open source lol. - lordmetroid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24No one but the people that are actually using Open Source and free software seems to understand. We do it because it is advantageous for us. We have all this free software that we can use for our needs. When someone writes new free software it's not because he want to sell it but because he want to encourage other people to develop free software that he can make use of. It's a market without currency plain and simple.
Just like any other immaterial work it can not be traded for money without the state restricting freedoms because immaterial work is nothing more then an idea being copied and ideas are viral and free by the their very nature. - Snakedal337, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24Retard. If your OS is better than linux, people will pay for it.
Some will even pay if it ISN'T better.. - fatlip, on 10/12/2007, -1/+23if you cant keep up, ***** off!
when closed source giants (ex: microsoft, apple) use open source, you know your argument is null. - nilcam, on 10/12/2007, -0/+20this statement from the article is scary:
They named Open Office, a suite of word processor, spreadsheet and presentation software designed as an alternative to Microsoft Office, and Gimp, an open-source alternative to Adobe Photoshop, as examples of instances in which proprietary software manufacturers have had no trouble hanging onto the "lion's share" of the market.
does this mean that free software creators can be sued if they garner a larger marketshare than proprietary software? - darkecho, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20"The judges went on to knock down--and arguably mock--Wallace's arguments that people who release their software under the GNU General Public License are "conspirators" engaged in "price fixing.""
Nice to see even the judges realized how ridiculous of a claim this was. - Hurricane, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20LMAO, what a moron.
- LiterateWolf, on 10/12/2007, -7/+25It's how the markets work. If he wants no competition and free profit, let him move to Communist China.
- Rooker156, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17oh boohoo. free stuff killed my crappier more expensive alternative :'(
give me a break... The judges themselves found this funny. - rbanffy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+18Just hope RMS keeps quiet. Every time he says something I have to calm my clients down.
- bieber, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23Sadly enough, that "some" actually comprises well over 80% of computer users.
- fantasticFlan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question#Modern_usage
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13In other news, Monica Belluci is sued for being "too beautiful." Complainants, who wished to remain anonymous, claimed that there was no way to compete with Ms. Belluci, and further asserted that this was patently unfair.
The judge, in issuing his ruling dismissing the case, said "Take off, eh? Life isn't fair, and neither are you." He said he would be willing to entertain counterclaims from Ms. Belluci in chambers. - Daunting, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Open Source is a philanthropic, humanistic activity. Many people find it inconceivable to have anything productive and useful that is also free. Sad that some people are so set in "life=money" that they can't figure out that something done for the betterment of humanity can actually be good and free.
The people who support and produce open source material are the new age philanthropists. - toppgun, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12You must have been sleepy because if you cant remember if you were mad 5 hours ago you must have Alzheimer's...
- prammy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Not necessarily.
Lets take Photoshop and Gimp. Gimp does a lot of the things Photoshop does and for many people, Gimp will do the job. But Gimp hasn't even dented the market share enjoyed by Photoshop. Hell it hasn't even dented the marketshare enjoyed by pirated copies of Photoshop.
Make your product a quality product. People would rather spend money to get a quality product rather than an average product for free. Or they might pirate your software, in which case you never had the sales anyway. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Wow, the millions this Open Source Cartel must be making in thier illegal dealings, all this time I've been a victim.. *thinks back to all the "free" lost to this group...*
I know, I'll start using other regular software for free too, just to make it fair :) *opens Piratebay* - socket, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Yes the dude is crazy. More then likely he's just not talented enough to make a living as a programmer and is taking it out on Linux. He's also more then likely not talented enough to contribute to a OSS project. So when you're a talentless hack what do you do? YOU SUE!
- Bhima, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9This fool is *still* in court!?
This ***** is ancient... he lost a long time ago and the appeal is just now coming to a close?
Wow! - streak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The guy should have taken on the Federal government. It uses everyone's tax dollars to provide inferior software for free and stifle business.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7originally it was all open source and free, this commercial crap invaded the market, even big ole ibm thought there was no money in software and that is why we have windows
- toomuchpete, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9@fkr2
"Let me dumb it right down for you. The judge said free software is imperfect and commercial software is quality so free poses no threat to commercial."
2 points here that might stop your incessant whining...
The judge is most likely referring to the quality of substitution, not the quality of the goods. Most people will agree that, when it comes to webservers, Linux rules Windows. Nevertheless, Linux is an imperfect substitute for Windows. This is how economists explain how two similar goods in a free market have different prices: they are not perfect substitutes for each other... in other words, if you want one, the other will not be good enough. If you want Windows, Linux will not be good enough (and vice versa).
The second thing to keep in mind here is that the court should be interpreted as saying this: "If you want to get paid for something that is being offered by someone else for free, yours has to be better than theirs in the eyes of the consumer. If it isn't, you don't get paid."
Quit acting all hurt and insulted because some judge called Open Source an "imperfect substitute" for this guy's software. - mighty_mouth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8"People willingly pay for quality software even when they can get free (but imperfect) substitutes," the judges wrote in a six-page opinion"
He is saying that the reason FOSS is not anticompetitive is that some people still choose to pay for non-free software.
This implies that if people always went with the lowest-cost option (i.e. FOSS) and decided they didn't want to pay for software at all, the judges might have ruled FOSS was anti-competitive!!! Yikes! - jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Did they copy your work or merely develop in parallel? If they copied your work, you sue them under copyright infringement. Nothing wrong with that. If they merely came up with a similar idea, developed it in parallel, and then released it first this is just the way it is. It would have been the same as if they were closed source and merely went to market first.
- Leo55, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9i BET stallman is going to laugh his ass off.
THIS is what stallman been working his ass off for. - kevinmotel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5alright. so at least 1 of the three branches of government understand the technological aspect of the market
- jav1231, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm far less concerned about open source being "free" as in beer. I'm not an RMS fan but I acknowledge his philosophy as one that has merit. I just don't believe, as he does, that all technology should be free to the people. This philosophy is extreme, in my view. I think OSS has it's place in the public sector. Government, in my view, has an obligation to use OSS or at least their formats in order to preserve openness. Government should be free to drop a company, or move to another should one go out of business, and have the taxpayer's data (i.e. all documentation) be transparently supported. I don't, however, think all software has to be open source. There's room for both.
- sharigan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4our price unbeatable? fine.. we'll double our price :)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I think you're missing something
- ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Predatory pricing" is one of the things that Microsoft was sued for back in the late '90s.
The anti-trust suit against them both charged them with predatory pricing of IE (free) before it was bundled with Windows 98, and then charged that the bundling itself was an anti-trust violation.
How many of you were perfectly happy to see Microsoft get sued for this, but now thinks it's silly when an open source vendor gets more of the same?
The fact of the matter is that *both* suits are stupid. Anti-trust laws protect the CONSUMER, not competitors. IMHO, any judge ruling on something like this must ask himself if the consumer is any worse off, and, if so, is it in such a way that can't be fixed by natural competition. - HalBSure, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm still waiting...
- molten, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5So this is what i440 has been up to.
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"It is like sex, if you can get it for free, why pay?"
Because the product of a true expert is just about certain to far surpass the quality of an amateur. In sex as well as software. It isn't a hob by for them, and they are motivated to provide the best service possible. Not always -- I think Linux and Apache are good examples of ultra-high quality product, whereas the Gimp definitely isn't -- and the occasional amateur sex freak has skills on par with a professional -- but by and large, the pro is going to have the edge.
The amateur is more likely to want to be your friend, and may seem a lot more like you, but then again, you'll probably remember your experience with the professional your entire life, years after you've forgotten the amateur's name. You'll remember Photoshop doing just what you wanted, and you'll compare that to a memory of when the Gimp just wouldn't go ALL the way down on your image while simultaneously jiggling your pixels, no matter how you begged. :-) - Loie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4no respectable, talented software development team should ever find their product outpaced by an open sourced alternative. if a handful of coders scattered around the world working for free on their own time is able to make a superior product versus the company that has their entire working day and livelihoods on the line....the "pros" should find new careers.
- warsql, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3First of all, it you spend years on product development, you have already missed your opportunity.
Secondly, you can make plenty of money from developing open source / free software. Look what Marc Fleury did with JBoss. Free development, alpha and beta testing, then made a lot of money from training and support services. Top it off with selling the whole thing to Red Hat for millions.
Think outside the box. - ivanjs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3atdigg wrote:
"Hurry up, let's sue somebody because the air is free.
Speaking of which, thought this was a funny sign at a gas station...
http://lyzrdstomp.com/images/freeair.jpg - llvllatrix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Begs the question: Who do we sue to enter the free speech market?
- wolf08, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Good point. However, are they selling their software, or their services? And do their services cost 1 cent?
There is a large difference between selling a service or a product. - macbookpromat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Open Source FTW!
- keyrat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The proliferation of OSS is probably the best thing to happen to computers since the internet.
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