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- nixfu, on 08/20/2008, -1/+15>It's been tough lately for companies like Red Hat
OH really?
>Sales rose 32%, to $157 million, in the quarter ended May 31, and profits climbed a respectable 7%.
Just the other day Jim Cramer was talking good about them as an investment:
Mad Money: Why Red Hat's Better Than Microsoft
http://www.cnbc.com/id/25932876
He also admitted that most people on Wall Street just 'dont get it' when it comes to Redhat, so they can not accurately judge the company and there could be huge opportunity there given the fact that Redhat's management keeps delivering good numbers. - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+14Vista's been out for close to two years now. Linux hasn't "jumped"... maybe next year.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+13Uhh, Novell and Redhat are kinda important to Linux... Your response is confusing.
- czeman, on 08/20/2008, -1/+13They make their money by providing support to commercial users. They problem isn't that these companies can't make money as you state. They can make money, and a lot of it. The problem is that Wall Street traders want to get rich quick.
- inactive, on 08/19/2008, -2/+13Is not part of Linux that it is not a corporation. I mean there are lots of people who make it run just like the Internet but still its not a short term investment it a group of people. There are many people who spend days working a project that is just for them and a few other people and then put it out there where it hits it big. I cant talk for every one but i know when i code something unless i am doing it for work i usually don't expect to get paid i just like the fact that i am giving back to something that has given me so much.
- cowboy77061, on 08/20/2008, -0/+10what was the question again?
- Niallgriff, on 08/20/2008, -5/+15The average user could barely use XP, let alone Linux....
- nixfu, on 08/20/2008, -0/+9Your not paying for the 'LICENSE' your paying for the support.
- Dred, on 08/20/2008, -5/+14Well, with XP no longer going out on new machines, and peoples disgust for vista, linux and other opensource operating systems are going to see a jump.
- bieber, on 08/20/2008, -0/+8See, what you're not realizing is that your company, by paying people like RedHat for their commercial support, are actually improving the free-of-cost distro that you're using at home. Even if we don't use their distros, all of us free software users benefit regularly from these companies, because they actually pay developers specifically to work on free software: they do the work for their companies, but it gets shared with the whole community. So next time you get that "They paid for this?" feeling, just remember that they also paid for a lot of the work that went into the distro you're running at home.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -3/+11I'd hate to see the open source market crash. But I'm happy downloading free versions of Linux at home, and when I'm dealing with licensed commercial versions of Linux at work I often find myself having this "they paid for this?" feeling.
- benologist, on 08/20/2008, -2/+9I wouldn't hold my breath. Vista isn't as bad as it's portrayed on digg and with Apple's aggressive marketing if there's a void to fill it's not going to be Linux.
- Dred, on 08/20/2008, -1/+7My Uncle who is 67 yrs old, could barely turn a computer on. I set him up with an unbuntu box. It took him about 2 weeks to learn all the ins and outs, but like I said he has never been on a computer before that one. He now has no trouble as an "average user".
- nixfu, on 08/20/2008, -1/+6RedHat has paid more money to more Linux kernel developers than anyone else.
Linux would not be where it is today without RedHat.
Not to mention all the other great stuff they open source like Cluster, GFS, the Netscape stuff they BOUGHT and then open sourced like the LDAP and Certificate servers.
Give Redhat some OSS lovin.....they deserve it. - javaroast, on 08/20/2008, -0/+5Sigh,
CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors redistribution policy and aims to be 100% binary compatible.
So he better hope that people keep purchasing RedHat or else there is no Centos. Not to mention that TFA mentions that RedHat's sales rose 37% last quarter. - sn0wfa11, on 08/20/2008, -2/+7Windows XP is a lot more difficult to use than, say, Ubuntu, especially if Ubuntu comes pre-installed on your computer the way Windows does. Four years ago, I would have agreed with you; you don't know sick and tired I got of editing config files in Linux, but times have changed and unfortunately, comments like yours have convinced a lot of people that Linux is too difficult for them even though they never even seen a Linux machine.
- douggmc, on 08/20/2008, -0/+4... and Redhat is a re-bundling of the open source community's work. I get the feeling ... and I may be wrong ... that you perceive CentOS as a scavenger without the rights to the open source software that the community created. If so ... you are way off and just don't understand OSS.
- mikedoth, on 08/20/2008, -1/+5HaikuOS FTW!
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -2/+6Answer: No.
- benologist, on 08/20/2008, -1/+4It's designed to be a general purpose solution to satisfy most environments, and it does satisfy most environments in spite of what we're told every few days on digg.
If you're pushing XP to the limit it might be time for some bigger/better hardware anyway, and if you already got bigger/better hardware then maybe your needs have moved past desktop pcs / operating systems? - a1lostnomad, on 08/20/2008, -2/+5There is a whole generation of younger programmers and sysadmins like myself that has practically eschewed Windows (and other proprietary software) as viable platform for development. We've grown up on open source kool-aid and I promise in time we will bring it into the heart of businesses everywhere as our careers mature. Redhat will do just fine as our corporate overlords look for extended support options...
- machineghost, on 08/20/2008, -1/+4>>Who uses RedHat now anway? CentOS ftw.
Ummm, CentOS is just a re-bundling of Red Hat's work. If Red Hat goes away, so does all the development they do on Red Hat/CentOS. Without Red Hat, CentOS is nothing (or at least nothing special). - srg13, on 08/20/2008, -0/+3"There are hundreds of Linux distros and just six versions of Vista. And guess what? All of Vista versions have the same basic tools and programs, are consistent in usability and all them serve a distinct purpose. With Linux, there is so much fragmentation and dozens of distros and forks coming out each new month. There really is no comparison."
In reality, there are about three or four major distros, which come with one of two major desktop environments... For the new user, you could pretty safely just narrow that down to just one - Ubuntu - which is a nice distro that is really easy to use.
Once people get more experienced, then they might want to choose something else. It's really not that complicated... - javaroast, on 08/20/2008, -2/+5"software repositories with arcane library dependancies might seem ideal to the geek"
Because CD's with arcane DLL dependencies are better? No one has ever used the term DLL hell... or maybe they have.
"But standards seem to fly in the face of the entire concept of Open Source"
"Linux flavors present endless opportunities for customization, some of us like consistency. ...I want a standard desktop environment"
Like how 1 version of Vista offers the classic interface and other versions offer Aero.
You can't be serious. You are really going to try to make the claim that Microsoft supports standards. That's what you seem to be inferring. I've never heard anyone try to make a claim like that with a straight face anyway. Don't mistake choice for a lack of standards. Besides for the average user your choice is Gnome or KDE. Pick 1 and stick with it and you'll be fine. - UberNick, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Red Hat's been putting a lot of effort into expanding their OSS holdings so they can package and sell larger support solutions. JBoss is where they're currently focusing their efforts, and are building and acquiring powerful tools like Hibernate and MetaMatrix. They've recently acquired a consulting agency to start implementing these bundled solutions in real-world business environments.
It's not about just Linux-- it's about the whole business software landscape. Prepare to see a lot of steady, continued growth at the expense of Oracle (from WebLogic), IBM (a strange hybrid partner/competitor with WebSphere), and even MS. - belumaves, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3no, not really, the majority of users are going to reluctantly switch to Vista anyway, get used to what they used to be annoyed by, and when the next major revision of Windows comes out, the cycle will begin again, only Vista will be where XP is.
- jer2eydevil88, on 08/20/2008, -0/+2Yep yep. I always push for open source programming languages to be used in a project for my clients. We also use open source operating systems for nearly ever role when network planning.
- javaroast, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3Such a stupid comment that I'm not sure if you were trying to make a joke or if you really don't realize that without RedHat there is no Centos.
- Dred, on 08/20/2008, -1/+3try ubuntu on an old machine, just play with it. You will like it, it will be the same as the first day you turned on a windows machine. You didn't have a clue what to do, and now look at you, your posting on digg.
- DonCarcharo, on 08/20/2008, -4/+6I think Linux's slothful adoption rate within the desktop marketplace has a lot to do with conceptual differences. For example, software repositories with arcane library dependancies might seem ideal to the geek, but the average user feels more accustomed to popping in a CD or downloading a file and clicking "install". Likewise editing config files might seem more efficient to an advanced user (after all it's a very transparent way of managing things) but plenty of people like clicking through a myriad of control panel settings. Lastly while the vast array of available Linux flavors present endless opportunities for customization, some of us like consistency. I don't want to have to pick between Gnome, KDE or IceWM. I want a standard desktop environment.
But standards seem to fly in the face of the entire concept of Open Source. And it's because of this that Linux will always remain too many things to too many different people. - dotnetnoob, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1There are more and more companies with in house *nix admin/tech/developer where they can run their own *nix box without paying for support. Thus, there is no need for these companies to pay for support from RedHat. So...the question in the article is, is support an sustainable revenues for company such as RedHat compare to company like IBM where they sell billion worth of hardware and consulting service...etc. The have and have not in this article is basically questioning which revenues model is better for OSS companies.
- Dred, on 10/09/2008, -0/+1Funny most of the tech support I have dealt with is inept. Just reading from a screen
- Dred, on 08/20/2008, -3/+4Well most of that problem is marketing. That and people are used to windows. I myself was reluctant to try linux, because of all the horror stories. I am still a newb when it comes to linux. What I did was took an old computer I had and loaded Ubuntu on it and I was off and going. There are a ton of help files and people willing to answer questions to get you going. Personally, I love it. The customization is awesome and now I am playing with compiz which is pretty cool too. So try it, then tell your friends if you like it.
- inactive, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1@dred,
I've used Linux for over 12 years and Unix longer. I much prefer a Windows OS on the desktop. For servers, I use what is right for the job. Linux is not a user friendly desktop OS and probably never will be. The only open source applications that are truly making headway in the market are the ones that have a Windows and Mac port. i.e. Firefox.... Hell, Mozilla isn't even supporting the various Linux distro's on the same priority level as they are Apple and Microsoft. - Niallgriff, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1Sorry, work tech support for a week and see how inept the average user is.
- JasonHaley, on 08/25/2008, -0/+1I dunno why you're getting dugg down. I keep reading what you said and laughing. I think you're joking, especially because there's not much mentioned in technology but more in business.
I can't tell whether Digg is getting dumber or funnier. - srg13, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1It all comes down to what your used to. To someone who has learnt to use a computer on a sensible desktop environment, Windows is fairly illogical and hard to use.
But I suppose it all comes down to the fact that people need to be able to adapt to newer (and, like software repositories, far better) ideas, otherwise they'll be completly locked in to a single vendor (which is one thing Microsoft tries very hard to do).
And by the way, I think you have chosen very bad examples. For software - either I can go to 'Add and Remove Programs', throw in a search term and check the software I want, or I can do it the windows way (kind of) where I just download a deb, double click it and hit 'Install'. Editing configuration files is something that I never have to do either... And as I said before, you don't have to choose a desktop environment if you don't want to. Just get a distro like, say Ubuntu, and you have a complete working system after a five click install. It would be naive to say that Linux did not have problems, but the things you mentioned aren't really problems at all anymore. - Avian00, on 08/21/2008, -0/+1Funny how no matter how true a comment is, if it makes Linux look bad, it gets buried. Otherwise, I have no idea why mine and other comments in this thread are being buried. Just because I point out the fact that installing apps in Linux is still not as straight-forward as it should be, doesn't mean I hate Linux. Quite the opposite. I wouldn't write it if I didn't care. I really hope Linux enthusiasts can finally start to accept some constructive criticism in order to make the platform better better instead of just pretending the problem doesn't exist, or worse, bashing on Windows to divert attention from your own problems.
- YodaJones, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1Who gives a ***** what some idiots on wallstreet say. These are the same geniuses who created the housing situation. Buried.
- wigren, on 08/20/2008, -0/+1"Bad guys" is subjective. Novell continues to work with Microsoft, recently announcing an extended and widened contract. My opinion is that Novell's work MS is helping bring attention to FOSS. Others say Novell's work is "tainting" the movement.
- Dred, on 10/09/2008, -0/+1I disagree, If you have always used linux and not windows, you would say that is more customizable to your taste. It is all about what you use on a regular basis. I game alot, I have been seeing more and more gamers using linux, of course it is ported, so what. I think a lot of people are starting to get more awareness of freedom through the internet. Most have seen the fun things that you can do with linux, that is what makes it great. You can take what you like from windows and what you like from Mac and run it on the same box.
- init100, on 08/27/2008, -0/+1"Mad Money: Why Red Hat's Better Than Microsoft"
I stopped reading at the "Red Hat's proprietary Linux system".
Linux is proprietary? Since when? - JQP123, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1"Mad Money: Why Red Hat's Better Than Microsoft"
You do realize that it's called "Mad Money" for a reason? Those who have bothered to examine the history of his stock recommendations generally conclude that they tend to underperform the market averages. Which is about average for a stock picker. - JQP123, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1"See, what you're not realizing is that your company, by paying people like RedHat for their commercial support, are actually improving the free-of-cost distro that you're using at home."
In other words, you expect people to ignore the short term in favor of the long term?
See, what you're not realizing is that most people don't think like that. Instead most people will say, "you can pay if you want but I'll take it for free if I can get it". And you have to admit, it's pretty hard to argue with that logic.
Basically, you've just borrowed a page straight out of the flawed philosophy of Karl Marx. - lead2thehead, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1Damn, that was a back handed question. Hey Red Hat! Why is your stock so over-valued?
- JQP123, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1"So...the question in the article is, is support an sustainable revenues for company such as RedHat compare to company like IBM where they sell billion worth of hardware and consulting service...etc."
IBM is heavily into service just like Red Hat. But the difference is that a lot of IBM's "services" are woven around their proprietary hardware and software --- just enough to insure that IBM always retains the upper hand. Obviously Red Hat does not enjoy a similar setup. Because the product Red Hat services is totally open all the way down to the source code, there is plenty of opportunity for others to provide similar service. - inactive, on 08/20/2008, -1/+1LEIKZOMG THEY PARTNERED WITH MS?!
KILL THME! - Dred, on 08/20/2008, -3/+3I disagree with you on that. My admin at my office is already talking about how much he did not like vista. There is absolutely no way Vista could handle the type of data and production we run. We have totally taxed XP to its limits and then some. Vista would probably work if it weren't such a resource hog.
- Dred, on 08/20/2008, -3/+3Oh and another thing look at Firefox. Nobody thought it would ever compete with IE. Opensource will eventually rule!!!!
- nixfu, on 08/20/2008, -3/+3YES. YES. YES. YES.
http://boycottnovell.com/ -
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