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- warp99, on 09/15/2009, -1/+16If you're intimidated about using OpenSolaris you can try Nexanta which is basically Ubuntu with an OpenSolaris kernel:
http://www.nexenta.org/os - kildurin, on 09/15/2009, -1/+14Solaris is the best multiprocessor OS out there. I dare you to run Linux on 128 processors ala the E15K. And, with processor sets and zones, you can make multiple platforms out of a single computer to support multiple jobs. I have been working with 10 since it came out. I am developing now in Linux and every day, I miss features that I used in Solaris. While I enjoy Linux, I miss Dtrace, processor sets and processor control, real multithreading, multiple kernel schedulers, and Sunstudio 12.
Actually, study what zones really are. Its a great concept. 1 kernel but many unique user spaces with their own OS mix. There is simply no Linux equivalent. - Frostek, on 09/15/2009, -0/+11I run OpenSolaris at home on one of my spare machines. With Gnome on top, it's virtually indistinguishable from Ubuntu until you start tinkering with it.
Stop being so bloody snobbish! - zlatko, on 09/15/2009, -0/+9Yes, it looks sexy again, now that Oracle has committed to continue supporting it.
http://www.linuxinsight.com/oracle-to-continue-sup ...
OTOH, Linux still has more vibrant community, better support for various hardware etc... - Silverjam, on 09/15/2009, -1/+10The sexiest thing about OpenSolaris is ZFS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS
Gives the opportunity to run RAID across USB devices etc. - gerryk, on 09/15/2009, -0/+7Why do think they bought Sun? Not for OpenOffice, that's for sure.
Solaris + Oracle DB + Java + [JBoss|GlassFish] is pretty much the only possible competition to IBM's EE stack. - RomeyRome, on 09/15/2009, -1/+5I used to work with Solaris (9/10) servers. It's nice to work with something different. Similar to Linux, yet so different.
- gerryk, on 09/15/2009, -1/+5Sexy? Are you kidding? Solaris is like Linux circa 1998... it is pretty solid from an admin POV though.
- ShyGuy91284, on 09/15/2009, -0/+3I love it. Been using it RAID-Z for 3 years, and it has been more foolproof and bulletproof then I've heard a lot of other RAID solutions on other platforms are. And a heck of a lot more features.
- enantiodromia, on 09/15/2009, -0/+3"I run OpenSolaris at home on one of my spare machines. With Gnome on top, it's virtually indistinguishable from Ubuntu"
exactly what I am talking about; people confuse the window manager with the OS.
why even both running anything not Ubuntu at this point, if the UI is all you care about. - Hortnon, on 09/15/2009, -0/+3I'm using ZFS from OpenSolaris to host iSCSI out to virtual machines on my laptop so I can get clusters going pretty easy. ZFS is amazing.
- Probatus, on 09/15/2009, -0/+2Where is the equivalent to Zones and ZFS?
- Hortnon, on 09/15/2009, -0/+2It's even better when you get into the realm of LDOM's...but that's SPARC-specific
Zones are pretty cool. Basically 80% of what a virtual machine is...without actually having a virtual machine. Makes it easier to manage. - linuxhak, on 09/15/2009, -1/+3I'm happy dual booting windows 7 and the latest version of ubuntu, but OpenSolaris looks sexy enough to give it a try.
- cozad4, on 09/15/2009, -0/+2i no, i wish ubuntu wouldnt mean linux. I duel boot Fedora and opensuse, which are both way better than ubuntu. i just wish the noobs would explore the posibilities beyond ubuntu.
- kildurin, on 09/19/2009, -0/+2First of all, they modified the kernel and are playing the same tricks that Cavium Networks plays. Cavium has done this for quite some time but, per their technical experts, setting the flag for number of CPUs does not actually utilize all 12 cores (in our case). They then provide a utility outside Linux which locks a single process on a core called "oncpu" which allows us to lock on to CPUs above 6.
Also, 2.6.30 is the kernel that SGI enhanced. This is very new. I can't get it on Red Hat Enterprise. I just got it this morning in Fedora 11. Solaris 10 has been out quite a while and Sun has been doing this since Solaris 7.
Solaris 10 is Sun's enterprise commercial product. It does not require me to pass any kernel parameters to find the # of CPUs or to work around the resource problem with smaller systems that SGI points out in the article. It simply works. Also, Solaris does scale to 4096 processors. Check the source code. If I had access to SGI's system, I would load Open Solaris on it.
I work daily in Linux and have used Solaris quite extensively in my past life. I like both OS's and hope that we can get a true SMP capable kernel on Linux that scales automatically. I hope both OS's survive (Solaris is the one in doubt BTW, not Linux) and that we can continue to have these discussions. - Probatus, on 09/15/2009, -0/+2http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/scla.jsp
- FyberOptic, on 09/15/2009, -2/+4How come if Windows and even Solaris can have a fixed driver model, Linux still can't manage it? Recompiling for every kernel version is really, really stupid.
- Icetype, on 09/15/2009, -0/+2I've used it. The idea is great, but there are almost no packages in the repository. The ease of installing software is the big push for debain/ubuntu in my mind.
- bengringo, on 09/15/2009, -0/+2OpenSolaris and Nexenta have been around for awhile. They are nice OS's but I don't think they have the third party support to take on Linux just yet.
- Probatus, on 09/15/2009, -0/+1Btrfs is in its infancy. Good luck running that in a production environment. And cgroups are hardly comparable to zones.
Also I am not hard at work on your comment, get over yourself. You are either too childish or too close minded to see what value Solaris has running on Sparc hardware. Its capabilities exceed that of any other operating system. - Hortnon, on 09/15/2009, -0/+1...Have you used OpenSolaris?
They finally bit the bullet and went with Gnome, at least. Plus the GUI package manager...Solaris feels like a much cleaner and more modern OS. - kildurin, on 09/16/2009, -0/+1Cgroups are not zones and are no way equivelant. They are groups of tasks and processor sets. And the processor set is very poorly implemented. Also, you forget that I am doing Linux coding and system admin work today. Read my comment again. Not three years ago. Today. Oh, and there is a Linux specifically for the T2+. Sun helped develop it. I don't think I've seen it used anywhere but a few universities, but its there. I ran it on a T5220 and we are working on getting it running on the T2K ATCA blades for fun.
- Hortnon, on 09/15/2009, -0/+1Meanwhile, T2+ SPARC processors don't have Linux. So for a lot of enterprises, your argument is pointless.
- Probatus, on 09/15/2009, -1/+2I run Solaris at work and at home.
http://digg.com/hardware/How_to_Build_Your_Own_Fil ... - Jem7vwh, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1Maybe they could actually wright some drivers that work or at least get companies to.
I can tell you right now to get people to switch from Ubuntu with allot of drivers they have their work cut out for them. - cozad4, on 09/15/2009, -1/+2well, when it comes to linux vs. opensolaris, i think i will stick with linux. but besides that, opensolaris is an all in all good OS, so atleast try it out in vmware, or try a livedisc.
- SEJeff, on 09/19/2009, -0/+1Hey troll (killdurin), Linux has ran on 128 proc servers for sometime. Here is a challenge for you... Why don't you try running Solaris on one of the SGI Altix systems with 4096 cpus in 1 system? Oh you can't? Solaris doesn't support that many cpus? Hmmmm perhaps you should run what SGI runs on those servers. You should run Linux.
Quit spreading FUD. Linux supports a whole lot more cpus than Solaris.
See this article on how SGI scaled Linux to 4096 CPUS: https://events.linuxfoundation.org/archive/lfcs09_ ...
EDIT: Add an f to the .pdf in the url. - sej7278, on 09/15/2009, -5/+5it will be fun to watch the current batch of Ubuntu noobs digg you down for that comment ;-)
Remember, on digg, ubuntu means linux.
i can't see any digger using solaris. - sej7278, on 09/15/2009, -0/+0"I run OpenSolaris at home on one of my spare machines. With Gnome on top, it's virtually indistinguishable from Ubuntu"
do you mean ubuntu specifically or linux - you see ubuntu does not mean linux as a whole, it may be a shock to you, but gnu/linux hasn't been renamed to ubuntu.
and if all you care about is how much it looks like ubuntu why are you using opensolaris? do you not care about the sparc support, zfs, containers, dtrace etc; just the window manager?! - Frostek, on 09/15/2009, -3/+3They're two different operating systems, with differing focus. People should use what they want / feel comfortable with.
- mooninite, on 09/15/2009, -4/+2cgroups are the equivalent to zones. Btrfs is the equivalent to ZFS.
I see the Solaris zealots are hard at work on my comment. Nice. - mooninite, on 09/15/2009, -5/+2There are Linux equivalents today. Maybe not 3 years ago when you last looked, but there are some today. I find it funny to find one of these Solaris commenters when an article like this comes up. There's nothing Solaris does better than Linux today.
Before you think about digging me down, go search. Just look at all the new features...
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_27
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_28
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_29
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_30
http://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_2_6_31 (USB 3.0 support, beating other OSes) - enantiodromia, on 09/15/2009, -14/+9It will be fun to watch the current batch of Ubuntu noobs try and figure out Solaris.
- eur0pa, on 09/15/2009, -11/+1OH SO PRACTICAL
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