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- InorganicMatter, on 12/03/2008, -1/+12That ZFS snapshot browser is freaking AWESOME. Really cool and easy way to handle automated backups - love the file explorer integration. It's really too bad Linux won't ever be able to use ZFS for the root.
Nice theme by the way, any way to get that GNOME theme on Linux systems? - Zomgondo, on 12/03/2008, -1/+10Yay! In production environments I've always found Solaris to be more reliable than Linux, so it's good to see it's being actively worked on.
- Zomgondo, on 12/03/2008, -0/+8I'm the one that gets the 3am call when things go south, so I'll take "boring" over "exciting" any day :)
- inactive, on 12/03/2008, -1/+9Here's the whole article;
The OpenSolaris project developers have released the final version 2008.11, four weeks after the release candidate and in line with their six-monthly release cycle. Apart from Firefox 3, Gnome 2.24 and OpenOffice 3, which are mainly intended for desktop use, the operating system also offers a complete web stack, including an Apache web server and a 64-bit version of the MySQL database. For handling data backups within the default ZFS file system, the developers integrated a service for generating automatic snapshots as well as the graphical [http://blogs.sun.com/erwann/entry/zfs_on_the_deskt ..." ZFS Time Slider] tool. With this tool users can conveniently navigate through the various archived file versions.
The official page containing the system requirements is rather spartan: 512 MBytes of RAM and 2.6 GB of hard disk space is a minumum and 8 GB of disk is recommended. The page detailing the limitations is slightly longer and it explains that version 2008.11 currently only runs on 32 and 64-bit x86 systems. It is not possible to upgrade from a previous version, and the data on a Solaris partition used for installation can't be retained. With suitable partitions in place, OpenSolaris can be installed in a multi-boot system next to Linux, Mac OS X or Windows"
I wanted a video with that. - Zomgondo, on 12/03/2008, -0/+7I don't have too many complaints about Linux, but it hiccups now and then... only time I've had Solaris crash was when the hardware died.
- josepablos, on 12/03/2008, -0/+6now .. with moore blue!!.-.
- 44Bigs, on 12/03/2008, -0/+6I could extend your statement and ask why people would use all these kinds of Unix-like OS'es or Mac OS X.. why not just use Windows for everything?
There are enough reasons to pick Solaris over Linux: ZFS, Zones and DTrace to name a few. Linux is nice, but it's not the best pick for everything by default. - ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/03/2008, -0/+6Redundant setup is redun... hold on phone ringing.
What's that 1996? You want your piss-poor network authentication and information system back? Let me alert the internetz. - Kragnerac, on 12/03/2008, -0/+6Become enlightened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSolaris
- xz9925, on 12/03/2008, -0/+6LOL I'm a sun tech and I'm not outsourced! Actually for ALL of our govt contracts they cannot speak to anyone OUTSIDE THE US. and wer're talkin DOD IRS NASA Norfolk any company with .gov domain cannot talk to anyone outside the country, and some they canot talk to people who do not have secret/top secret clearance
We're in PA, MASS, CO, TX, The only place thats out of the country that deals with american own sun servers is in Sydney, Canada.
Now for SUN servers all around the WORLD they have they're own Tech centers to call so they can speak in their native language
so STFU & DIAF before you start bad mouthing things you dont have a clue about. - dkdevine, on 12/03/2008, -0/+5Solaris doesn't need to "catch up" to Ubuntu. It has a larger server base than Ubuntu and will have a larger base for quite some time.
- rowjimmy, on 12/03/2008, -0/+5ZFS.
- Thomaschaaf, on 12/03/2008, -2/+6Why is it not called OpenSolaris 2008 12?
- Rekutyn, on 12/03/2008, -0/+4I don't think oobuntu even knows what you mean by "Production Environment"
Anything that doesn't boot straight to Gnome would be "boring" to an Ubuntu user.
Servers, friend. - maehem, on 12/03/2008, -3/+7Although not quite there yet, Solaris is catching up to Ubuntu rather quickly. Now with Virtual Box, I'm considering running Solaris as my desktop and Vbox for my Windows stuff. I use Ubuntu under Vbox for some Linux apps that haven't yet been ported to Solaris as well.
All in all, I am very pleased by the last year's worth of improvements that have gone into Solaris! - pezangel, on 12/02/2008, -5/+9Good!!!
Up Solaris - craeyon, on 12/03/2008, -0/+4whatever happened to the old school GUI challenged Sun Solaris 8 :(
- rowjimmy, on 12/03/2008, -0/+4who the hell installs a gui desktop environment on a server?
(other than windows servers, of course) - xz9925, on 12/03/2008, -0/+4catching up to ubuntu how? Solaris is not usually a desktop OS. Its a work horse OS. They're each in their own category.
- maehem, on 12/03/2008, -1/+4SPARC boxes will run the Sun supported version of Solaris.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2008, -0/+3I just decided to learn ZFS on a whim about 3 weeks ago because I had some downtime. This is after a few years of UFS usage...
Now that Solaris 10 (10/08) supports ZFS roots, I'll never use anything else if I can avoid it. ZFS is just too convenient and awesome. - directrix13, on 12/03/2008, -0/+3I think btrfs will blow it away. But I am being fairly optimistic.
- MattBD, on 12/03/2008, -0/+3From what I hear btrfs is planned to surpass ZFS in features, but whether they actually succeed is another matter. But the guy they have working on it sounds confident, and he used to work on ReiserFS before (cue joke about Hans Reiser).
- sneaker98, on 12/03/2008, -0/+3I have Solaris 10 installed on a server. Completely command-line based, the GUI isn't even installed.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2008, -0/+3LDOM's, xVM Ops Center, plus all their hardware...
Sun isn't going away for a while. - sneaker98, on 12/03/2008, -1/+4Well, personally, I wanted to learn *nix. Figured the best way was to learn on one of the few remaining unix-based distributions. I like Sun, and Solaris is installed on my campus, so it also served the purpose of allowing me to compile my CompSci programs locally.
I like what they've done with their stuff. I have command-line Solaris10 running on an old SPARC server I picked up, and OpenSolaris on a dual-boot with Windows on my laptop (Hey, can't escape from Windows just yet ;) ).
Y'know, it turns out OpenSolaris was the easiest Operating System install I've ever had to do, bar none. - ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/03/2008, -0/+3eddeh: if you are a programmer, let me assure you from experience that any shell script, and any c program that compiles, and runs without failing on Solaris, will do the same on Linux and most every other unix system. I can't say the same for Linux. I encountered this a lot in college... things would work great in Linux but would fail dismally when I ran them on the university box. Change all the code to use the solaris way, bring back to linux, still work.
For a normal person, I don't see much of an advantage though. - Hortnon, on 12/03/2008, -0/+2I'm working on a project at the moment that gives me a geek boner everytime I look at the rack:
6x 5240
6x 6140 each with expansion tray
3x 5120
The Blade 6000's are on the way. It's a nice setup :)
The CoolThreads is the amazing part. I put 12 LDOM's on a 5240 and ran Oracle databases out of all of them concurrently, and they all ran just fine. For $35k and 2u, you can't beat that. - sneaker98, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2Yeah, but easier makes you forget things. Previously, I just loaded up a default End-User install, and I found myself forgetting a lot of terminal-based utilities and commands.
So I removed the GUI entirely. No crutch. - csarak, on 12/03/2008, -1/+3Are you being sarcastic? Why would anyone admit to not using GNU/Linux because it's too 'mainstream?' I know that people do it, but nobody actually talks about it because of how ridiculous it sounds when you put it into words. Do people actually still say that they are 1337? My mind asplode when I read your comment.
- fangorious, on 12/03/2008, -0/+2I had a job interview in '99 where the interviewer said he was switching to freebsd because linux was too popular.
- ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2No, not mine. Just saying, some people have to keep that ***** in mind. I've turned down jobs that have a ridiculous SLA like 5 9's though, specifically because I don't want to live in fear rofl.
- ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2Ah man I wish I got to play with gear like that. I mostly deal with whiteboxes these days, and Sun AMD boxes.
- ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/03/2008, -1/+3Ehh it's the now and thens that can cost you your job.
- Hortnon, on 12/03/2008, -0/+2Fortunately I don't think he's talking about OpenSolaris specifically but Solaris in general.
- Icetype, on 12/03/2008, -1/+3If you're one of these people who won't use linux because it's too mainstream, this may be a good choice. Believe me, I know several people who consider themselves far too 1337 for linux (especially ubuntu). I get the OpenSolaris disks sent to me every time, but I have yet for one to work on my dell precision machine. The install always fails. In a VM it works, but is MUCH slower than ubuntu. Probably a VM side effect tho, shouldn't be slower.
- realnowhereman, on 12/03/2008, -3/+5nay, NTFS = Win.
- chowmeined, on 12/04/2008, -0/+2Because the Linux kernel is under the GPL, and ZFS is under the CDDL. It would be illegal to distribute GPL code mixed with CDDL code because the terms of the licenses conflict.
- Hortnon, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Meh, I could go either way. I like being able to move drivers and install files around in a GUI...though even in the GUI I still use commandline for most things. But when installing software, GUI's are generally part of the install and X forwarding is mostly a pain in the ass in my environment.
- ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1Your claims have *some* merit. They are obviously shifting more towards software, but not getting completely out of hardware. I don't see that happening. There is a lot Sun boxen in government. Not so much so anymore in sectors with tighter budgets who aren't afraid to use commodity hardware. Their high-end servers will continue to sell to big businesses and government sector who absolutely need enterprise hardware. Not everybody can take the chance, no matter how small, that their Intel whitebox will go down for a little while. Normal people like me and probably most other admins surfing the digg don't need the high end stuff.
Your tone now is a lot more logical than the "sun gear sucks" tone of your first post. - diggAddict, on 05/03/2009, -0/+1Yeah give Solaris a go - you wont turn back. Linux isnt as great as its hyped to be - too much FUD on Solaris is purported by Linux Fanboiz who have never sysadmin'd a Solaris box in their life.
- InorganicMatter, on 12/04/2008, -2/+3Because the kernel level stuff has a bunch of stupid restriction on what can/can't go in based on how "open" it is. ZFS is a fully open spec but isn't licensed under a license these commies like, so out it goes.
- BrainInAJar, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1"What's wrong with CDE?"
It's not redistributable, so you can't mirror any distro that includes it. - oobuntu, on 12/09/2008, -0/+1@rekutyn
the first 5 years of my sysadmin career were as solaris admin in banks, now i mainly do linux admin with a bit of windows/solaris on the side. i know plenty about production environments, and solaris is rock solid. i just find linux servers (RH,Debian) more flexible and cheaper, and more enjoyable to use. solaris can be a pain in the butt sometimes, especially when you need some packages quickly (even wget is not installed by default) - Hortnon, on 12/03/2008, -0/+1@rowjimmy
I do, for initial installation/configuration. It's just easier. But just pull the keyboard and monitor and reboot and it won't even start the GUI services. - diggAddict, on 05/03/2009, -0/+1Get with the program - no decent Sysadmin uses a GUI ! - I agree - get to know the raw commands! You can SSH in from a mobile phone from anywhere in the world and do admin work. I hate GUIs - as long as I get a Putty SSH term i am happy as larry. Unless an application service only comes with a gui - i use command line every time. Ever heard of a thing called 'scripting' - you cant do that in a gui!
- skyshock1, on 12/04/2008, -0/+1"It's really too bad Linux won't ever be able to use ZFS for the root."
How come Linux can't use it? - ScottyMcBaggs, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1Or one sun box, which can basically have the fault tolerance and reliability of a cluster of commodity x86 Linux boxes, not to mention the performance. Instead of interconnecting through networking gear, you've got system buses that in some systems like the E10k can scale to like 100 processors or something ridiculous and tons of memory. Even their low-end stuff is fairly advanced compared to commodity boxes. The SC controller alone makes them worth it IMO.
- directrix13, on 12/05/2008, -0/+1But that is when you move your trust from a single server to a cluster of servers.
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