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- InorganicMatter, on 03/07/2009, -1/+13openSUSE has always been THE premier KDE distro. Xfce and GNOME are always tossed out as a second though. Same as Ubuntu is the GNOME distro of choice, and (X/K)ubuntu are afterthoughts to keep the "choice" fanatics off their back.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/07/2009, -4/+15Do you think that those 500 Novell FOSS developers only work on Mono and Moonlight?
No, only a small fraction inside Novell work on that. Novell is the second biggest contributor to OpenOffice. They are the biggest or second biggest KDE contributor (it's either Novell or Nokia). Novell initiated Compiz, the radeonhd X.org driver, and GNOME (through Ximian).
And btw, Mono is based on ISO standards (= open standards). - KAMiKAZOW, on 03/07/2009, -0/+11GNOME is not the only FOSS project. So why should distros sync with GNOME?
openSUSE had no fixed release cycle in the past (each release deadline was discussed individually), but in the end the cycle was most of the time ~8 months anyway and it turned out well. - KAMiKAZOW, on 03/06/2009, -5/+15Novell employs roughly 500 people to work on free software (according to Wikipedia).
Personally, I don't care where the money comes from: It's spend to improve open source. - KAMiKAZOW, on 03/06/2009, -4/+14It's all free software. That means that not only the license is free, you are also free not to install Mono, etc. -- I don't have Mono installed, for example.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/07/2009, -2/+11Why is it a problem when Novell (among many other contributed features) improves file format interoperability? Are you saying that Sun should remove ALL file format converters except to ODF one? I'm happy that I can open .doc files that are e-mailed to me with free software.
If the Novell-developed features were so bad, why do Debian, Ubuntu, etc. ship them? - jadrian, on 03/07/2009, -0/+8The same way they deal with total unalignment with KDE, Xorg, the kernel, and every other god damn piece of software that makes up the distribution.
- inactive, on 03/07/2009, -3/+11How many times are you going to post those same ***** quotes? Do you honestly think it's convincing testimony against using openSUSE? It's not. Stop it.
- SteveMax, on 03/07/2009, -0/+7Wait, you mean that it is possible to do things in a different way than Ubuntu does?! Nonsense! Heresy! He's a witch!!1
- oomfoofoo, on 03/06/2009, -1/+7Wow, you tried it a few days after it came out, got one error and gave up. There's a simple fix for it, though you probably just gave up and went back to ubuntu.
- oomfoofoo, on 03/06/2009, -4/+10Schestowitz or one of his cronies always show up in an openSUSE post. Unless asstralknight is one of schestowitz's aliases.
- XeroXenith, on 03/07/2009, -5/+10Umm, no. Open source needs all the help it can get. We need large corps like Red Hat and Novell to keep things chugging along at the rate they are now - if they both pulled out, it wouldn't be catastrophic, but things would certainly slow.
- stacyaurora, on 03/06/2009, -2/+7The key is to be able to work within a schedule but make allowances for deviations.
- BuhSnarf, on 03/07/2009, -0/+5Gives them an extra 2 months for stability, the first time. 4 months for the next and then back on again on the third?
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/06/2009, -1/+6So what? Debians release cycle is roughly 2 years.
- InorganicMatter, on 03/07/2009, -1/+5I was hoping 11.2 would get here sooner, because there really aren't any distros right now that ship a polished KDE 4.2 ready to go, although Mandriva 2009.1 will soon remedy this. However, if it will have this many huge improvements (KDE 4.3, ext4, web-based YaST), I can wait patiently for a properly polished release.
Although, I am disappointed to see them move to a fixed schedule. Ubuntu and Fedora's quality always suffers because they rush features to meet the deadline, or don't get around to adding them before the deadline. Debian and openSUSE have avoided this problem so far. - inactive, on 03/08/2009, -0/+4What a dumbass you are. You're probably one of the mindless drones that are high on the Microsoft drug.
openSUSE blows away Vista and Ubuntu combined. - Ymeg, on 03/07/2009, -3/+6Get off your high horse. People do not use open source distors solely because of the "philosophy" it represents.
- amfantasy, on 03/06/2009, -4/+7They were already on a 8 month schedule, constantly pushing release dates.
- HonoredMule, on 03/07/2009, -0/+3Doesn't quite have the same attitude as Schestowitz. I think he in particular has given up on trying to influence digg's collective opinions concerning Novell.
- inactive, on 03/08/2009, -0/+3I have no issue with longer release cycles for openSUSE as this will give them more time to streamline and debug the code between releases. openSUSE 11.1 w/KDE 4.1.3 is very stable and with the added backports from KDE 4.2 it's also got enough new functionality to tide users over between releases.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/08/2009, -0/+3Does Mint KDE use the same broken KDE packages that Kubuntu provides? By broken I mean ***** like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/19616885@N00/29910471 ...
- tackle, on 03/07/2009, -0/+3As long as one could do "zypper up" and get the latest and greatest versions of the packages, this should really make no difference to OpenSuse users.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/07/2009, -0/+2I wish openSUSE would at least offer a repo with the latest stable KDE release. I know there's KDE/Factory but that one doesn't contain stable releases, but instead snapshots of the stable development branch. It works very well most of the time, but occasionally it doesn't. Before openSUSE 11.1 was released, a backport from KDE trunk (4.2) broke SUSE's Plasma 4.1 desktop for a week or so.
- shahbaz1948, on 03/07/2009, -0/+2thank you for your comment..
That was hilarious.
I used to Beos some time ago... I even bought some of there stock at one time. - UConnBBall, on 03/09/2009, -0/+2New Software comes out all the time? Are you still in the 5 years ago mentality?
- amfantasy, on 03/08/2009, -0/+2They do provide this, check the build service.
http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4
This will get you a stable KDE4 desktop - phunction, on 03/07/2009, -1/+3i'm running openSUSE 11 on my work laptop and I absolutely love it. I run ubuntu 8.10 on my personal laptop and debian 5 on my personal desktop, so it's not like I haven't had a fair taste of other linux distros... Ubuntu is probably my favorite distro but openSUSE is a very close second. I'm very pleased with the direction that openSUSE is headed and I'm stoked for the 11.2 release.
- amfantasy, on 03/08/2009, -0/+1it does use the same packages
- jackflap, on 03/08/2009, -2/+3Ubuntu's 6-month release cycle works great, however, many bugs often don't manage to get fixed when due to time-constraints, and they often ship releases with serious regressions and basic things broken.
I strongly suspect that adding an extra couple of months to the development cycle will add enough polish to each release and will also be often/regular enough to keep interest pumping.
Good luck to the SuSE guys, this could be a really clever move on their part. - 4321234, on 03/08/2009, -0/+1You don't have a clue about what you're talking about.
- javaroast, on 03/07/2009, -1/+2"And btw, Mono is based on ISO standards (= open standards)"
And that means what exactly when discussing potential patent problems. Miguel de Icaza doesn't even deny the potential problems so why would you toss them aside so lightly. The Tom Tom case should at least open your eyes to Microsoft's methods. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/02/04/mo ... Right now Mono is nothing but a Trojan Horse for a Microsoft patent suit. - rlbond86, on 03/08/2009, -1/+2I'm sick of release cycles. I have to wait 8 months to get new software packages? No thanks. I used OpenSuSE but switched to Sabayon. The rolling release means I get software when it's ready, and no upgrade process.
- abbathdoom, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1Mint KDE ships with 4.2 and is out in the next week or two.
- UConnBBall, on 03/09/2009, -0/+1SLED = GNOME
Mark Shuttleworth = KDE User
The truth is always stranger then fiction. - carlosos, on 03/08/2009, -0/+1Was there anything specific mentioned that the author "linuxhaters" has mentioned that he didn't like? I only saw bitching around about hating it without saying anything specific.
- UConnBBall, on 03/09/2009, -0/+1One Click Install of 4.2. I had a few minor bumps (Mainly Amarok) but it is working great.
- InorganicMatter, on 03/07/2009, -0/+1Really?! I love Mint, but don't follow the "alternate" branches that close. Will have to look into it!
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/08/2009, -0/+1BeOS was great, but it also had its fair share of problems. One of the worst was hardware support. Linux' hardware support OTOH is pretty good.
- inactive, on 03/08/2009, -2/+2Good for you but Ubuntu is not the best GNU/Linux distro. I'm sick of the retards in the Ubuntu camp saying it's the best thing since sliced bread - it isn't and it's far from stable.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/08/2009, -1/+1@javaroast:
If Mono is so bad, why do Ubuntu and Debian include it? (I don't know about Fedora and Mandriva)
Mono also a non-vital component. I have GNOME and KDE installed and both work just fine on my Mono-free Linux installation.
@AstralKnight:
Novell's OpenOffice includes many features before Sun's OO does. That's because of Sun's lengthy beaurocratic processes -- developers have to sign an agreement to transfer their copyright so Sun. Check openoffice.org if you don't believe me! Novell's OO is the default OO in Debian, Ubuntu, and Gentoo (among others). Novell's OO runs just fine without Mono. Even without Mono it has numerous features not found in Sun's OO. Mono is only needed for the OfficeXML converters and that's because Novell just ported 3rd party converters that happen to be written in C#.
PS: Why did you post http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Members here? Is it to show that Novell is a Platinum Member? Novell is the only Linux distributor among the Platinum Members, btw. Red Hat and Canonical are just Silver Members. - inactive, on 03/08/2009, -1/+1Microsoft obviously cares about Mono, or they wouldn't be paying Novell to spread it. Microsoft wants to be the next SCO and sue Linux users for patent violations. You need to look beyond just YOUR computer and realize what is good for ALL open source.
- inactive, on 03/08/2009, -1/+1@KAMiKAZOW - Novell should be considered an MS subsidiary, an open source supporter should not trust them or their products, Novell is spreading Mono patent bait for Microsoft. If they think all Linux users who don't use SUSE are violating MS patents, then shouldn't they be restricting use of their MS tainted crap only to users of SUSE? IT'S A PATENT TRAP!!! Learn from the TomTom incident.
- amfantasy, on 03/08/2009, -1/+1:S you don't know what you're talking about. Take a look at the Sled 10 release video, that was all Gnome. openSuSE is KDE + Gnome
- KAMiKAZOW, on 03/08/2009, -1/+1Can't you read? I don't care, because I don't use Mono! I use KDE and KDE wouldn't be in the great shape without Novell.
- PhrosTT, on 03/09/2009, -1/+1who cares.
- custangro, on 03/08/2009, -2/+2Fedora
FTW! - inactive, on 03/07/2009, -5/+3@KAMiKAZOW - Novell's OpenOffice fork is infected with Mono, you don't need Mono just for a file format converter. Novell is helping Microsoft with their patent trap because Novell thinks it won't get attacked by Microsoft because of their sleazy anti-open source patent deal for "protection" against mythical patents. Novell is paid by Microsoft for their open source betrayal, and their products should be avoided. Other distros using Novell's vile Microsoft tainted crap should learn a lesson from what is happening to TomTom.
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