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- daveisfera, on 02/17/2009, -2/+55What's the deal with the uninformative slideshow?
- LiquidSpark, on 02/18/2009, -1/+17I'm not seeing how this article compares the 3 distros. It's not even an in-depth review.
- mtlrlz, on 02/17/2009, -2/+16very slick, and clutter free desktop and tools.
- XFi6, on 02/18/2009, -0/+13If Microsoft made a Linux distro there would be a stupid EULA that takes advantage of all of your rights.
- klitzbtc, on 02/18/2009, -0/+12I loved openSUSE 11 but since moving to Fedora 10 it's hard to consider going back. But considering the significant contributions to the Linux/Gnome/KDE communities that openSUSE has always been reliable for, I'd love to get back on it.
It really pisses me off to see openSUSE get so much slack for the Novell/M$ Deal (as I'm sure will be noted in many comments to come). I've been using Suse on and off for about 4 years, alongside switching to Ubuntu and Fedora whenever my OS ADHD kicks in, and I've always considered their distribution to be far more advanced and *stable* than most if not all of the mainstream Linux choices. IMHO You'd be nuts to not give this distribution a chance at some point. - srg13, on 02/18/2009, -0/+9"It really pisses me off to see openSUSE get so much slack for the Novell/M$ Deal"
Do you mean flack? I don't remember many people cutting them much slack... - srg13, on 02/18/2009, -0/+8"I would love to see some of these features in Ubuntu ... specifically the update manager,"
What about the update manager? I find Ubuntu's package management very good (it is based on Debian after all), and it has a nice graphical updater that I have not had a problem with. I don't know if OpenSUSE is any better now, but when I last tried it (two or three years ago) the package management was a horrible mess - one version I had (10.1) wouldn't let me add repositories from the internet, and it wouldn't update any of my packages... - derbloodlust, on 02/18/2009, -0/+8I normally go with a *buntu distro for myself, but I put OpenSUSE 11.1 with KDE on my parents computer about a month ago and they've really enjoyed it so far.
- ktm9rick, on 02/18/2009, -1/+8i've been a lifelong windows guy who just recently switched to linux. i tried ubuntu, i tried opensuse 11.1. fedora 10 just seemed easier to use for me.
- snotrokit, on 02/18/2009, -0/+7I use Ubuntu and OpenSUSE for my desktops. Both are good distro's for beginners all the way up to the top. Can't lose on either one of them.
- Nickolassc, on 02/18/2009, -2/+9He's talking about how Novel entered into an agreement with Microsoft a few years ago that many felt sold out SLED, not the fact that suse is actually owned or made by micro$oft.
- aautopsy, on 02/18/2009, -0/+6The early 00s RPM based distributions definitely had a major dependency hell problem, but not recently. I'd say the last time it was really a big issue was somewhere between 2002-20004. Yum and SuSE's newer zypper have really addressed that problem and are starting to become more competitive with the almighty apt.
- alamko1999, on 02/18/2009, -0/+6whats' wrong with the slides? Its just gnome being shown. Useless slides
- DiggerT, on 02/18/2009, -0/+6The update manager in OpenSUSE 11.1 is massively improved over previous versions, its just so much faster and smoother now.
- SteveMax, on 02/17/2009, -0/+5The build service is one of the best things to happen to Linux in the past few years. With the service, it's very easy (almost trivial) for any developer to offer prepackaged versions of their software for OpenSUSE, Fedora, Mandriva, *buntu, etc without having access to multiple machines, multiboot or multi-VMs. They can cut off the middle man, the "packager" who sometimes do stupid things (example, Debian's SSL fiasco). Just fill out a bug in those distros, point out the prebuilt package, and it's done. It will cut out lots of problems, both for users and for the developers themselves.
- Ocelot13, on 02/18/2009, -0/+5yum -y install ***
and youre good! - jamesmcm, on 02/18/2009, -3/+8I'd rather not use a Novell sponsored product after the MS patents deal.
- inactive, on 02/17/2009, -4/+9I would love to see some of these features in Ubuntu
None are like crazy "OMFG I NEED THAT TO SWITCH TO LINUX!!!" but they are a nice touch
specifically the update manager, and debugging - prammy, on 02/18/2009, -0/+5A deb based distro can be put into dependency hell just as easily if you force install debs. Most of the dependency hell with rpm based distros occured because people used --nodeps and --force and/or installed rpms from other distros.
Debian has apt-get, RH/Fedora/Centos has yum and apt for rpm, Suse has zypper/yast. They all resolve dependencies well and I have not experienced dependency hell on an rpm based distro since RH8 (when apt for rpm came out) - endofleg, on 02/18/2009, -0/+4I Started using OpenSuse (KDE 4, then 4.2) a couple of months back and it's a pleasure to use, very polished and professional with a nice "feel" to it, even compared to *buntu, ELive, CentOS etc. Definately worth a look at (oh, and all of my wifi just worked straight out of the box, which ubuntu didn't manage)
- nkassi, on 02/18/2009, -2/+6The sideshow was totally useless. As for the Hobbyist comment. Keep using OSX we don't want you.
- joshr04ca, on 02/18/2009, -0/+4Been using OpenSUSE for years, and love it! For those Ubuntu users who may switch over, zypper = apt-get. Zypper works great from a terminal and is fast.
- coldkill3r, on 02/18/2009, -0/+4I use ubuntu on the desktop, and opensuse 11.1(gnome) on my laptop. I've had no real problems with each, the rpms available for 11.1 seem a little sparse. I'm sure that will be taken care of though.
- Mareshalu, on 02/18/2009, -1/+5I just got on Ubuntu but this looks pretty slick I must say, and being brainwashed by M$ all these years I must admit that Suse does impersonate by looks some of those "memories". Dualboot? Maybe.
- MethodOne, on 02/18/2009, -1/+5I think openSUSE is bloated. I did my own test comparing the performance of sdlmame on openSUSE and Ubuntu and found out Ubuntu had a higher frame rate than openSUSE on the same hardware. I used the Blazing Star (a NeoGeo shmup) ROM and the system specs are 1.9 GHz Pentium 4, GeForce FX5200, and 512MB RAM.
- klitzbtc, on 02/18/2009, -0/+3lol whoops, indeed flack would of been the correct *lack work I was looking for.
- inactive, on 02/18/2009, -0/+3You are also protected from those virtuous patents of Microsoft
- Xsecrets, on 02/18/2009, -0/+3I have to agree I've tried rpm systems since 2004 using yum and apt-get for rpm and always still have dependency hell problems, maybe it's because they never have enough packages, and I always need something else I don't know, all I know is that apt is the best package management system bar none, and I will never understand why so many distributions settled on rpm when apt is older and more mature and simply a much better system and always has been, and from what I can see always will be.
- slobdogg, on 02/18/2009, -2/+5Just switched back to the' Suse 11.1 with the KDE 4.2 update a month ago after the latest release from Ubuntu GNOME. Hard to argue with either of them. I think a bigger change is Gnome to KDE.
I miss apt-get...but was able to get it installed on OpenSUSE anyway. - gruvsyco, on 02/18/2009, -3/+6I wish there was a Debian based OpenSUSE. I've been using Linux on and off for many years (mid 90s) and I always seem to be able to put an RPM based distro into dependency hell. For the years I've been using Ubuntu, it hasn't happened once. OpenSUSE knows how to put a little polish on the product though.
- rafe101, on 02/17/2009, -1/+4Since I use an old Thinkpad myself, it was cool to see an integrated interface for it.
- savagemind, on 02/18/2009, -2/+5OpenSUSE ftw
- MWeather, on 02/18/2009, -0/+3If we didn't care SUSE wouldn't be having problems with community involvement.
- sej7278, on 02/18/2009, -3/+6wow looks like some microsoft/novell employees are frequenting digg, as all the comments regarding the unholy matrimony have been way modded down!
- Vadi0, on 02/17/2009, -0/+2You mean you make 1 manifest file, and it works for all package types? Or you generate your own debian rules, rpm stuff, and it just packages?
- nkassi, on 02/18/2009, -0/+2Does FreeBSD detect docking like that EH?
- srg13, on 02/18/2009, -0/+2That's good to hear then. I'll have to give it a try some time...
- henri915, on 02/18/2009, -1/+3I'd love to try OpenSUSE, but after multiple attempts to download and burn it, it's NEVER worked.
Ubuntu? Works every time. I have it on my laptop and my desktop.
If Linux is going to make a dent in the consumer O.S. world, that's unacceptable. The naysayers will say "Well, you have to try again"... hey, they want MY business, right? Unfortunately, just being free isn't good enough. Windows is perceived to be free because it comes on desktop and laptop computers and no one has to shell out for it.
If Linux is going to make any serious headway into the O.S. field, it needs a unified installation pathway - not this thing where you enable repositories, download a file, open the file and hope it works. Installation was easier in windows 95 than it is in current distros of Linux. In the eyes of a consumer that doesn't want to have to take the time to learn the steps of getting an application to work, that's unacceptable.
I am a linux fan, but these are the hurdles that need to be overcome. - bruenig, on 02/18/2009, -4/+6Who can be the bloatiest. Stay tuned!
- BadAsh71, on 02/18/2009, -0/+2@DiggerT That is very good because in the past SUSE's Package Management (YAST) has sucked out loud... big time.
I personally love Ubuntu's Update Manager and since Ubuntu is based on Debian it already has the best Package Manager out there (bar none).
As for surj08's comment:
"I would love to see some of these features in Ubuntu ... specifically the update manager,"
He/She must not really use Ubuntu, otherwise he/she would know that Ubuntu's Update Manager is way better than anything offered in any other distro... it is very Mac OS X like and way more user-friendly than Windows Update.
I will of course try OpenSUSE 11.1 but it will take a lot for any version of SUSE to win me over.
SUSE has been historically slow, with odd system/bios requirements and it's package manager (YAST) really blows. - inactive, on 02/18/2009, -1/+2And what does this have to do with SUSE? SUSE does not come with any "patent-encumbered" software or ungodly Microsoft tie-ins. It's maintained by Novell, big deal. ReiserFS was written by a convicted killer, so ***** what?
- CoolSilver, on 02/18/2009, -1/+211.0 and 11.1 has crappy Network Manager issues. DHCP doesn't always work and wireless is broken when worked flawless before
- inactive, on 02/18/2009, -0/+1The 11.0 RPMs are usually fine in most cases.
- mrsteveman1, on 02/18/2009, -1/+2Suse is doing just fine, pleasing the community isn't necessary all the time.
Novell was stupid to do this little patent deal, but the community is full of whining babies too. Neither side of this argument is correct. - SteveMax, on 02/18/2009, -2/+3So don't use Gnome. Nor KDE. Nor OpenOffice. Nor Firefox. Nor Linux. Novell is one of the top sponsors of OS projects.
- darkchild, on 02/18/2009, -0/+1There are thousands of packages in the build service repos. Search for the packages you need at http://software.opensuse.org/search and then use the one click installer to install.
- SteveMax, on 02/18/2009, -0/+1"apt is the best package management system bar none"
Portage.
You may not like the "compiling almost everything" part, but it manages dependencies much better than apt. "optional" dependencies are pulled in depending on a set of global (or package-specific) "USE" flags: you may say "USE=-gnome -gtk" and no packages in your system will use them. With "USE=-X" in your server, there is no way a random package that happens to also have a GUI could try to pull X. You get exactly what you wish, and all dependencies are taken care of depending on exactly what you wish.
And of course, there is no distinction between, say, "glibc" and "glibc-devel": the whole package is installed, making it much easier to keep track of when you happen to also compile your own stuff. - SteveMax, on 02/18/2009, -0/+1I don't think that was the point... Not every article has to be written as a "hey people Linux is cool!!" ad piece; some of them can be directed to those who are already converted, telling them "there are distros beyond your distro of choice, here is one that has some features you may appreciate". This one shows some of the polish in OpenSUSE's Gnome that don't appear in other distros (and the build service). People who already use Gnome will see them and think about the pros and cons of a different distro; others may try to adopt those differences to their distro, and so on.
Besides, Suse looks MUCH better than any *buntu out of the box. Not that it's hard to look better than that brown and orange... - MWeather, on 02/18/2009, -0/+1APT has optional packages and ways to exclude packages as well.
Though I don't think Gnome would be very useful without GTK, whatever packaging system you use :)
"making it much easier to keep track of when you happen to also compile your own stuff."
All that does is eliminate having to type apt-get build-deps package-name. It's simpler, true, but not by much. -
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