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- inactive, on 09/22/2008, -15/+60I thought ribbons were awesome, they organize everything nicely and make the program look less chaotic than OOo. I dunno, I've always thought that office apps is one area that Linux simply loses to Microsoft.
- dosware, on 09/22/2008, -1/+41I doubt if OOo will ever be as slick or feature-laden as Office- but less than 10 years ago there were no free word processors to be had at all. OOo is adequate (in fact, much more than adequate) for the typical home user or student. And it's easy to use- even without the ribbons.
- Yazilliclick, on 09/22/2008, -7/+35If you're an advanced it user you're using shortcuts which it makes incredibly easy. Not to mention it intelligently organizes it all. The only people having trouble finding stuff are the typical people who couldn't be bothered to learn something new so as soon as they see a different interface say ***** it it sucks. Practically everybody I know who's used it for any length of time says the new interface is amazing once you learn it and they'd never go back.
- TheSeeker11, on 09/22/2008, -3/+29How about we save them in .doc format, OpenOffice can do that :)
- shaherazad, on 09/22/2008, -3/+28changes:
http://development.openoffice.org/releases/3.0.0rc ... - markhp, on 09/22/2008, -2/+26Fantastic engine, still looks like something from 1995. What is it with open source stuff and good visual design? Are the two mutually exclusive?
- inactive, on 09/22/2008, -26/+48If they make the UI as intuitive and nice-looking as Office 2007, I'll be happy.
- Dave2986, on 09/22/2008, -0/+21OSX is not open source.
- betterth, on 09/22/2008, -3/+22Finding coders to work on open source projects isn't difficult.
Us graphic artists and UI designers though, we don't do ***** for free. We don't do ***** for cheap. And most open source projects don't have the funding for a serious graphic art division.
Programs like OOo suffer horribly from "Programmer Designed UI" IMO. - YodaJones, on 09/22/2008, -6/+23This is good news!
- inactive, on 09/22/2008, -3/+17My problem with OpenOffice is that it just seems so heavy and bloated – where's my lightweight office suite? Streamline that *****!
- Renian, on 09/22/2008, -12/+26I have no idea why you are getting buried. Neither can I; After using Office 2003 for a while, you make the switch and you just go WHAT THE ***** WHAT HAPPENED TO MY MENU?!
Hey people burying this guy: Do you actually use Office 2007? Have you used Office 2003 or an earlier edition before using Office 2007? - MacParrot, on 09/22/2008, -1/+15Advanced users IMO isn't the target audience for OOo or shouldn't be. If you're targeting an existing app that millions use, then you should make it as easy to use as the app you want them to replace. File compatibility, ease of use, and interoperability between the different components should be the focus for Open Office.
- Area51mafia, on 09/22/2008, -2/+13..what is that even supposed to mean?
- jer21, on 09/22/2008, -0/+11If you're having problems finding where stuff is, install Search Commands.
http://www.officelabs.com/projects/searchcommands/ ... - bowens44, on 09/22/2008, -1/+11wow, what a stupid post
- sirhomer, on 09/22/2008, -3/+12I think the ideal solution would be to allow for on the fly UI customizations like Firefox and Qt apps can do. The problem is OOo is such a huge codebase it's pretty hard to dramatically alter things about it.
I think the ideal Office suite would be something that allows a workflow that seperates content from presentation, something like a GUI LaTeX (where LyX is going). - slightlyoffbeat, on 09/22/2008, -2/+11OOO + thunderbird FTW?
- stealthc, on 09/22/2008, -3/+12OOo is gradually becoming *better* than MS Office.
- Rauby, on 09/22/2008, -3/+12Finally I can get rid of Neo Office.
- LastDitchHero, on 09/22/2008, -2/+11To all the Open Office haters. Yes, MS Office is better. But how much innovation can MS Office really add on? OpenOffice is catching up and is already there in many areas. But what you don't understand is that OpenOffice is good enough for around 95% of office users. You say you can't share files, BS. Many of us just can't torrent a copy of MS Office cause well that would set up some serious liability.
Most OpenOffice hate comes from people resistant to change. Believe me I know. Just like those people who you can't pry Lotus notes from their cold dead hands. - Langford, on 09/22/2008, -1/+10The ribbon is very usable, but it's ultimately limited by it's own size. All the best functions still involve right-clicking to reach the hidden menus.
- svensksvamp, on 09/22/2008, -1/+10512 x 512 px icon? Please!
- phatboye, on 09/22/2008, -3/+11Glad to see OO.o is still improving but there are still a few things that is still keeping me from removing MS office. 1) OO.o desperately needs a grammar checker, even though MS Office's grammar checking isn't the greatest thing in the world it surely does help 2) OO.o spreadsheet program lacks in so many areas (Maybe OO.o 3-rc2 changes this) that I don't want to go into details talking about all the problems I've encountered with it 3) OO.o is way too bloated start-up time needs some tweaking and 4) the need to make OO.o more modular so that I can install OO.o writer or spreadsheet without having to install the entire freaking office suite, compile time is way way way to long.
- KillerKellerjr, on 09/22/2008, -1/+9I agree that on Windows oOo takes way too long to launch but for some reason on Ubuntu it starts rather quickly :)
As for a grammer checker, yes it will have that feature in 3.0, here is an official link:
http://lingucomponent.openoffice.org/grammar.html - directrix13, on 09/22/2008, -2/+10Yeah, but using it in a commercial environment is a violation of the EULA. So you might as well pirate it, if you are that desperate.
- jbmcb, on 09/22/2008, -1/+9> office just isnt something that benefits from being open.
Why not? If for no other reason having an open office document standard is a good idea (not Microsoft's definition of open - where they own and control all the IP)
> i use many open source software, including osx.
OSX isn't open source. The kernel and BSD subsystem are, mostly, but OSX itself is NOT open source. - betterth, on 09/22/2008, -4/+12The Office 2007 Ribbon UI is extremely intuitive and easy to learn. I've given it to several non-tech people who have picked up on the underlying design idea and are able to quickly learn how to use all of the Office programs.
Honestly, anyone who's complaining about using the Ribbon is:
1) Biased from the get go, and unwilling to learn it
2) Unwilling to learn it
3) Stupid
Because quite frankly, it's ridiculously easy to navigate and greatly simplifies the UI. - cliffr39, on 09/22/2008, -2/+10completely agree. I don't think 2007 UI is that great compared to their older versions. It's nice eye candy but that's it, not very usable to locate things quickly.
- colinnwn, on 09/22/2008, -1/+8I'm fairly happy with OOo save one thing. The startup time is HORRENDOUS. On my computer, Excel 2003 starts up in 1 second with the preloader off. OOo Calc takes 5 seconds with the preloader on, and like 17 seconds with it off. It is really and truly awful. But I guess beggars can't be choosers when you are getting the equivalent of a several hundred dollar software package for free.
- metalgel, on 09/22/2008, -0/+7what is with all of the OOo hate? personally i like it and its a great alternative to ms office for me at least it does what i need it to do.
- stealthc, on 09/22/2008, -0/+6I've heard a lot of negative feelings about the new Office '08 "ribbon" interface, especially on OSX.
I have no concrete evidence, but each iteration of OOo is incrementally better than the last, while my impression of MS Office is that it's sort of sitting still. Office is still a great product. Microsoft has earned every cent they make from that very lucrative product. The impression I get of their quality-level trend lines though is that OOo is closing in and may eventually surpass it.
For one thing, the open-source mail client I use doesn't have to waste time booting up the open-source word processor I use just to edit an email. Outlook on the other hand can't seem to make it five minutes without running MSWORD or crashing on me. - visionviper, on 09/22/2008, -37/+43You call the UI in Office 2007 intuitive? It's everything but-I can't find anything because of the way they chose to organize everything.
- glinsvad, on 09/22/2008, -0/+5Nope, Intrepid uses 2.4.1 cf. http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubun ...
- Ossuary, on 09/22/2008, -1/+6When the 3.0 is final, I really hope OpenOffice/Sun puts some cash out in the form of advertising for this. I can't tell you how pisses me off when a client goes out and buys Excel to type up a 50 row spreadsheet. uuuugh.
- inactive, on 09/22/2008, -1/+6Price - but then a piece of chalk is cheap too.
- stealthc, on 09/22/2008, -0/+5I have to agree with geodebug. That's one hell of a button.
- daftman, on 09/22/2008, -0/+5> Us graphic artists and UI designers though, we don't do ***** for free. We don't do ***** for cheap. And most open source projects don't have the funding for a serious graphic art division.
Why can't you do it for free?
what makes your situation more unique that the coder? - latrosicarius, on 09/22/2008, -2/+7i hope that's a joke
- twoboxen, on 09/22/2008, -2/+7pssst... I just wanted to work in the fact that I have a secretary! This article? PERFECT OPPORTUNITY!
- geodebug, on 09/22/2008, -1/+6The "bold font" button. In OpenOffice it totally rocks but in Office, not so much. Maybe back in 95 but MS can't touch Open Office's "bold font" button, especially in release 3.0. Now the "italics" button - I'd say they are about even but remember OpenOffice is free so it does have an edge there.
- beamster, on 09/22/2008, -0/+5Web browser = software application.
- jer21, on 09/22/2008, -2/+6The whole "if it's broken, why fix it?" is a terrible argument. If we had that mentality for everything nothing would ever be improved upon. It's just a matter of getting used to the new look and feel. I hated it at first, but after sticking with it for a few weeks or heavy usage I've found I can do things in Office 2007 much faster than in 2003. You can't expect to be a wiz at 2007 after using it for 5 min, you need to give it some time.
- dorkdork777, on 09/22/2008, -1/+5When my school upgraded from 03 to 07, my first reaction was 'WTF!?'. But after about six months of being forced to use it, I'm used to it, and I definitely prefer it over OO.o at home. It just looks much nicer, and everything is easier to find.
- mstachiw, on 09/22/2008, -2/+6i'm sure I'll be buried to heck but with google docs and google gears I have no need to use MS or OpenOffice or any other solution. Might not be for everyone but if you haven't yet you should check it out.
- sirhomer, on 09/22/2008, -0/+4PDF editing.
- Langford, on 09/22/2008, -0/+4OpenOffice is a great product, and Microsoft Office is better than past versions of it's self for having to compete with OpenOffice. The open file formats that OpenOffice brings to users are what is needed for the future of computing, and it's something that commercial products are uninterested in because it allows users to migrate at will. You don't like OpenOffice, fine, nobody is forcing you, but you really should at least appreciate what it is doing for software as a whole. I'm sure I'm not the only person who is sick and tired of being force into a specific new product just because the creators came up with a new way to encode the same kind of documents that have been used for the last 20 years.
- moduc, on 09/22/2008, -0/+4@directrix13, in another word, if you're pirating it, pirating it in a way that cost you less than $60, or nothing, such as OOo.
- LastDitchHero, on 09/22/2008, -0/+4@ Hercules
Plenty of software that can do the things sharepoint and project can do. Now depending your organizations needs it maybe cheaper to go that route. Now Zoho can make some forms and plenty of other ways to get data into a database ala Infopath.
OpenOffice does have a macro engine and can be more powerful in some instances than MS Offices. Again, depending on your organizations needs MS Office may make more sense.
That doesn't mean these things are not thought of, and that you can't use OOo. OOo can be serious business but don't expect it all to come from the same vendor. - bowens44, on 09/22/2008, -0/+4Nonsense.
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