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OpenOffice 3.0 by default in Intrepid 8.10? Yes or No?

brainstorm.ubuntu.com — Ubuntu brainstorm idea - Install OpenOffice 3.0 by default in Intrepid 8.10. I think it's a good idea, so long as it works well. What do you think?

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  • motang, on 10/22/2008, -5/+62I say Yes, it's the final version so why not. I have been using on my notebook since it came out in Ubuntu 8.10 beta and it works great.
  • mohtasham, on 10/22/2008, -7/+62I just realized that the final version of openoffice 3 is available. If it's the final version, why not to have it in Intrepid?
  • Vadi0, on 10/22/2008, -4/+39I think that's up to the developers to decide depending on how buggy it is.
  • pHr34kY, on 10/23/2008, -6/+33The Release Candidate is due in a matter of hours - are you people out of your mind? There is NO WAY that they can can have it implemented and tested that amount of time. It may appear in the backports repository, and will almost definitely be in the Jaunty Jackelope release in April. If you can't wait for either, just add the OpenOffice PPA to your sources.list and be done with it.
  • kd420, on 10/22/2008, -2/+27If the Open Office team thinks it's ready for everybody, why not? They did the same beta round etc. that most software does, so I see no reason not to include it. I, for one, will upgrade immediately if it is not included, and I think a lot of others will too, so any bugs will have to be fixed in the long run anyways. Since it is a big release/selling point of Ubuntu to have an Office suite included, they should put the best one out there in the release.
  • freeforall079, on 10/23/2008, -0/+20I believe Vadi0 meant OpenOffice 3.0.
  • FlareHeart, on 10/22/2008, -2/+22Since it is a final release I also agree that I don't see why it shouldn't be included. I use it myself and have had no issues with it at all.
  • Culyt, on 10/23/2008, -0/+16Because it could have some massive bug that makes Ubuntu useless for %20 of people running on some systems, or erases all their documents or some *****. Or just heaps of little bugs that degrade the quality of the product overall.

    To prevent that from happening there is a feature freeze at which point no new packages can be added, just fixes which should give beta testers enough time to find any major problems.

    To add to the problem, apparently the initial major releases or OO have quite a few bugs that are then fixed in the next minor version a few weeks/months later.

    If you want OO3 in 8.04 or 8.10, it should be available in the backports system.

    ☢
  • darienphoenix, on 10/23/2008, -3/+19"I think it's a good idea, so long as it works well."

    That has to be one of the more pointless comments I've ever heard.
  • craigmjackson, on 10/22/2008, -3/+18Yes. I have been using it heavily at work since the day it was released and have had no problems.
  • oobuntu, on 10/22/2008, -1/+16is this just FUD? surely OOo 3.0 is already released software and is as important as the latest Gnome release? if there's any issues then 3.0.1 will be available in the repos under bug-fixes/security updates.
  • talkingwires, on 10/23/2008, -0/+14You are the lone voice of reason in this discussion.

    I am shocked how many people want to break the hard freeze less than week before 8.10 ships to include a major revamp of a large part of the OS. Yes, originally it was scheduled to be included in Intrepid, but the OO.org devs missed their release date by almost two months. You people can't seriously expect the developers to drop it in weeks after feature freeze and expect it to be adequetly tested, can you?

    It's already available on Launchpad, the devs said it will be in Backports in less than a month. If this was a LTS, then, maybe, you guys would have something to cry about.
  • Aeuta, on 10/23/2008, -0/+13Both Open Office and Ubuntu might work but the fact is that there MIGHT be some odd interactions (such as certain font and theme issues) and somethings that do not work quite right. I think this is one of the reasons Mark called for a semi-unified schedule, the fact that OOo 3 is ready and Ubuntu is ready it is just that little bit of testing that is left to be done.

    Anyway backports will have it in good time and it is simple enough to install for anyone who REALLY wants it. Messing up a good Ubuntu release plan just for some additional unproven features is the way Windows was built.
  • Langford, on 10/23/2008, -0/+13Isn't it a bit late for 8.10 to have it by default? It's already October. They are 7 days away from release.
  • inactive, on 10/23/2008, -1/+10MAYBE
  • airencracken, on 10/23/2008, -0/+9I find the arguments against including it a bit weak in light of the inclusion of a beta version of Firefox for 8.04. Still, I'll either add the launchpad PPA to my sources or wait a bit for it to be in backports.
  • Aeuta, on 10/23/2008, -0/+9It was not on the original plan thus it would have to be tested. 2.4 was checked similarly....the RC he is referring to is Ubuntu Intrepid who's RC is due like...TOMORROW!!! (Or today depending on your timezone) The RC is likely to be the final shipping version...it is way too late for this.
  • ramenite, on 10/23/2008, -0/+8If they can include that broken piece of monkey crap called Pulseaudio in their LTS release, they can package up OpenOffice.org which is final.
  • arcticblue, on 10/23/2008, -2/+9It's not like they test anything they package anyway. F-Spot and gDesklets anyone?
  • motang, on 10/23/2008, -0/+6https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive just follow the instructions for Intrepid, you should be ok as 2.4 will be replaced with 3.0!
  • SEJeff, on 10/23/2008, -0/+5Yeah it does and they've said so publically. Given the way mozilla does security updates, putting firefox 2.x in Hardy would have made long term support (3 years for desktop applications) virtually impossible without forking firefox entirely. Then they would run into issues with Mozilla's trademarked logo.

    It was a good decision to do what they did for Hardy.
  • ryborg, on 10/23/2008, -0/+5Why? Id rather have a small base download, and install what I need.
  • sirhomer, on 10/23/2008, -0/+4Yeah it's not going to happen. The RC is due very soon (less then 24 hours) and Ubuntu RCs are basically the final version. There is simply not enough time to test it without delaying the entire release.
  • Vadi0, on 10/23/2008, -0/+4Ubuntu QA could use some help btw, anyone is welcome: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
  • antdude, on 10/23/2008, -2/+6Then, have the OS and package be retested?
  • talkingwires, on 10/23/2008, -2/+6I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but this is not true.

    The MP3 format is patented, and costs money to license. Windows and OS X support the MP3 format out of the box because part of the cost of the OS goes to pay for the license. Ubuntu is free, but you can easily purchase the codecs to utilize the MP3 format: http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?product ...

    You can also enable MP3 support for free by enabling the Universe repository. Attempting to play an MP3 in Ubuntu will prompt you to do this automatically, but if you live in America, you are technically violating copyright law.
  • SEJeff, on 10/23/2008, -0/+4You sure you don't have it coming from some random ppa or whatnot in /etc/apt/sources.list?

    http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/openoffice.org That is always the most up to date info and it says 2.4, not 3.0.
  • daengbo, on 10/23/2008, -0/+4It'll never make it, but you can turn on backports to get it a few weeks after Intrepid releases.

    Ekiga 3.0 and Gimp 2.6 came out at about the same time as Gnome 2.24 (the basis for Intrepid), yet only Gimp made it. Ekiga is still at 2.0 in Intrepid. OO.o 3.0 came out several weeks later. There's no chance it's getting in.
  • youannoyme, on 10/23/2008, -7/+11What on earth are you talking about? 3.0 final has been out for over a week, and a stable beta much longer than that...
  • Vadi0, on 10/23/2008, -0/+4"Ubuntu explains OOo 3.0 decision": http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=3447

    "However, a couple of factors made this much harder than we originally expected.

    Firstly, the 3.0 release schedule has slipped quite a bit. At the beginning of May, the release candidate was due on 25 July with the gold release on 2 September. By the end of July, release candidate was due on 8 August and gold on 16 September. Throughout August the release candidate was gradually pushed back until it eventually landed on 5 September, a week after our feature freeze for 8.10. There were then a series of release candidates until the gold release finally came out on 13 October. If the original release schedule had held then including 3.0 wouldn’t have been a problem, but on a six-month release schedule with many other applications involved we have to place an absolute premium on predictability."
  • inactive, on 10/23/2008, -0/+3Let's be clear on this one: that a new release of a software package is out doesn't mean that it has to be included in the Final version of ubuntu, not if the development process is so advanced as in this case. I don't think something terribly wrong will happen.. but it could, just because the inclusion of that software package wasn't planned before hand.

    I would like to see OOo 3 in Intrepid as much as you do but we have to use common sense here. This would've been a no brainer for the digg "classic" crowd...
  • Langford, on 10/23/2008, -0/+3In Ubuntu 7, the repository allowed choosing between Firefox 2 and 3. If I were to guess, they will probably end up doing that with OpenOffice 2 and 3.
  • Vadi0, on 10/23/2008, -0/+3In a month. Ubuntu release is in a week.

    See the difference?
  • SaadGhouri, on 10/23/2008, -0/+3Are you telling me its NOT there by default already? SERIOUSLY! ?
  • inactive, on 10/23/2008, -1/+4@articblue: gDesklets is OLD and bugie dude, you might want to stop using it. And F-spot is stable I don't know what you're talking about.
  • jabela, on 10/23/2008, -0/+3Jokes aside, it only takes 10 minutes to do the upgrade on a fast Internet connection. (Took about 30 secs to download on my PC, but then I'm spoiled.) Just add a couple of repositories to Ubuntu Intrepid and the job is done...

    The repositories are:
    deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main
    deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu intrepid main

    1. For newbies: System -> Administration -> Software Sources
    2. (2nd tab) Third Party Software
    3. +Add (Paste in the lines given)

    Then let the updater do its thing....You don't even need to restart the system... Now how cool is that!

    Seriously the way some of you were carrying on, you'd think Canonical were a dictatorship.... Its OPEN SOURCE, if you don't like it, you can change it! ;)

    James
  • RyeBrye, on 10/23/2008, -0/+3Ubuntu already has their repository locked down for stability. The kernel version is never upgraded to a major version - 8.0.4 is still at 2.6.24 or whatever - and 8.10 will be 2.6.27 forever - but on other distributions like Fedora, the kernel version is frequently updated to the latest version for security, hardware support, and other reasons.
  • T8erT0T, on 10/23/2008, -0/+3I would like to see OO3 make its way to the new release. So far I have only good things to say about 3. I currently use it on Mac and an XP machine and really enjoy it. I'm too lazy to put 3 on my ubuntu box because I was really hoping it would just be packaged with it anyway.
  • abbathdoom, on 10/23/2008, -1/+4Can someone explain to me why a pre release version of Firefox was included in an LTS release but a finished version of OOo is not able to be included in a non-LTS release. This makes no sense.
  • Knet88, on 10/23/2008, -0/+2Well, case closed, not implementing.

    I'm surprised to see a brainstorm idea get dugg this much.
  • talkingwires, on 10/23/2008, -1/+3I know I shouldn't feed the troll, but wouldn't "basement dwelling pimply geeks" likely be gamers as well?
  • JohnnyKdiggs, on 10/23/2008, -3/+5I understand that Ubuntu wants the software to be rigorously tested and 100% safe before deploying it, but perhaps they can make an exception for OpenOffice 3.

    Ubuntu has a huge asset - a free and highly intuitive software repository. If Ubuntu becomes too cautious in deploying software to the repository, the repository will actually become a hindrance to users.

    So please, make an exception. Satisfied users at the cost of marginally less secure software. Sounds like a good deal to me.
  • simoncallesen, on 10/23/2008, -0/+2Nope. OpenOffice is perfect for Ubuntu.
    Abiword is included in Xubuntu where it fits nicely, since Xubuntu is all about speed and light-weight efficiency.

    OpenOffice includes what is needed for "normal" office use. Abiword is, although good, much more limited. Especially seeing as it is only a word processor. One of the main ideas of Ubuntu is to be ready for everyday use out of the box. Switching the entire OpenOffice package out with a single light word processor would definitely be a step in the wrong direction.
  • RobotBuddha, on 10/23/2008, -0/+2The usual argument is that people new to linux are going to see an old version of openoffice, see the 'easy' download, and run right back to windows.
  • HiT0, on 10/23/2008, -0/+2"I think it's a good idea, so long as it works well."

    So you think it's a good idea, but only if it's not a bad idea? Got it, thanks.
  • insanebrain, on 10/23/2008, -1/+3Learn how to use Linux instead of bitching to other people.
  • mohtasham, on 10/25/2008, -0/+2I think we have to let Ubuntu developers decide whether to include OO3 in intrepid. Even if they don't include it by default, those who are in love with OO3 will install it by themselves. Personally, I usually don't install any application by myself, if they're not available in repository, unless it's something that requires compiling to enable certain features.
  • LingNoi, on 10/24/2008, -0/+2YES! Everything in Ubuntu is so damn old! You might think it's better but it's not! There are some packages that have come from Debian which work WORSE because Debian have taken out the propitiatory bits.

    Heres a list off the top of my head of stuff that's still old in Intrepid and Hardy.
    cmake, bzr, ogre, cegui. libois, sqlite3, nivida-cg-toolkit
  • Bicep, on 10/24/2008, -0/+2Right On Vadi0!! I think that's an awesome idea!!
  • arcticblue, on 10/24/2008, -0/+2I know Screenlets has replaced gDesklets, but Screenlets looks like crap unless you have compositing. gDesklets works fine without it. It also still doesn't excuse the fact that even though it's packaged and in the repositories, it doesn't work (at least on 64-bit). If they had at least tried to use it, they would have seen that it doesn't even work. It may be fixed now; I'm not sure.

    As for F-spot, on 7.10 (don't know about newer releases), it would only open about 1 in 20 times on amd64. That's a program installed by default and it didn't even work right! How could that have possibly slipped through the beta and release candidates? That huge bug was reported, but progress was moving so slowly on it that I got fed up and moved to a different distro. A bug like that should have NEVER made it in to the final release. If whoever packaged that at least tried to open it, that bug would have been caught. If a program installed by default can ship with a bug like that, then I wonder how much testing goes in to the other programs...

    Oh and there's more. Virtmanager and KVM were touted as new supported features in 8.04 yet barely worked. Not sure if it's fixed now. Virtmanager and KVM was the big thing I was excited about for 8.04, but I was left very disappointed.
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