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- TheEpicChocobo, on 07/28/2009, -1/+27Sweet. I've been waiting for this forever!! Soon Thunderbird at work easily.
- ileftfark, on 01/31/2009, -1/+26While your point would be valid in the proper context, what does any of that have to do with "my only 2 reasons for keeping Windows"?
- ileftfark, on 01/31/2009, -1/+26KDE is awesome. Now, my only 2 reasons left for keeping Windows is syncing the cell phone and my crappy Lexmark printer. Good work, KDE team.
- chadsmith729, on 01/31/2009, -0/+19Oh very cool! This will help push a lot more open source applications in the commercial sector but more importantly it's a big win for Linux in general. Personally I'm into Gnome but that's great to read about KDE's improvements! Well done guys keep up the good work!
- smotpoker, on 02/01/2009, -2/+17Believe it or not, most desktop users don't really give a ***** about PC "gaming" (though admittedly that is changing). Those who bother playing video games at all are content just using a console and/or whatever freeware games are out there.
- Myztry, on 02/01/2009, -0/+11Microsoft is damaging the PC gaming industry with the onslaught of the Xbox series.
Valve is growing the PC gaming industry with Steam distribution.
As a PC gamer, you're foolish to be waving the Microsoft flag... - mrBitch, on 02/01/2009, -0/+9@ matthekc RE: " What is really needed is something open source that can fully replace exchange.. "
As ieee stated, OpenChange is replacing ALL of the Exchange Server back end with OpenChange server.
FTA :
"... not IMAP or WebDAV, but the Exchange MAPI/RPC protocol."
Once the OpenChange team have completed reverse engineering Microsoft's proprietary and closed Exchange protocols, you will see a free "OpenChange" Server that will talk to your Microsoft Outlook clients (or any other OpenChange enabled clients.
Of course, Microsoft could keep releasing "updates" to their Exchange Server and Outlook clients to try and break OpenChange.
But those changes that MS does to their closed Exchange protocols will also piss off the enterprise market as well... - ieee, on 02/01/2009, -0/+9Isn't that what OpenExchange is? We are using it at work. They have mixed servers in networking, but everyone is on a windows box with outlook.
- inactive, on 02/01/2009, -2/+10Right, because the entire gaming industry revolves solely around the PC. haha, good one.
- mokakid, on 02/01/2009, -1/+9Very cool! KDE is great!
- n0ia, on 02/01/2009, -0/+7If you can use something that costs a fraction of what a Microsoft product costs, and can do the same thing (and sometimes much better), then why not change it?
After it's all said and done, people probably don't realize what they're using anyway. - geekyghost, on 02/01/2009, -1/+8I need something that also replaces the brains of the people in my organization who make decisions. They are afeered of the open source and think Microsoft is teh bestest.
- echoztrip, on 02/01/2009, -0/+7Then how am I responding to your comment?
- joebaloney, on 02/01/2009, -0/+6I worry that you will then have the issue of Microsoft constantly making undocumented changes to APIs and formats and the OpenChange people constantly playing catchup while the users have several days of things not working about 8 times a year. Try using the Evolution exchange plugin for a sample of this.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 02/01/2009, -0/+6Mozilla has currently no plans adopting Akonadi for Thunderbird. There's a request in bugzilla. Vote on it to increase the chance for this to happen.
- n0ia, on 02/01/2009, -1/+7@ileftfark: Actually if you have the Windows driver package for your Lexmark printer, you can probably set your printer up in Linux using the PPD file from that driver package. I think most (or at least some) Lexmark printers will print Postscript.
I just set up a networked Lexmark T630 printer at work on my desktop PC (Fedora 10) using that method and it works perfectly. Of course, when I print a test page, it says it's a Windows XP test page, but whatever.
It's worth looking into.
You can check here for a compatibility list:
http://www.openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi?make= ... - Myztry, on 02/01/2009, -1/+6"I was talking about OpenOffice, not OpenChange."
Yes, but why the change of subject? No one else was talking about OpenOffice. It's got nothing to do with it.
Front end and back ends don't need to be single branded. I bet you'd be pissed off if your Sony DVD player only worked with a Sony TV. And rightly so.
As long as the two devices (client and server) can function together, who cares. - matthekc, on 02/01/2009, -3/+8What is really needed is something open source that can fully replace exchange. It would be good if it could replace exchange in a windows environment... but you got to know all the application protocols before you can write that.
- Nimda11, on 02/01/2009, -0/+5I hope this works, and I hope they are using the new MAPI api introduced with Exchange 2007. gonna keep an eye on this.
- mrBitch, on 02/01/2009, -1/+6RE: " Linux wins for me because it beats the pants out of Windows, but Office and Exchange win for the same reason."
What happens when OpenChange Server "beats the pants" out of Exchange? - KAMiKAZOW, on 02/01/2009, -0/+5He blogged about the interview: http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3869
Quote:
“I would not recommend Akonadi in production use,” isn't what I was trying to say - I was talking about the Akonadi OpenChhange resource not being production quality yet, rather than all of Akonadi). I offered to review the article before publication, but no such luck. - mrBitch, on 02/01/2009, -0/+5Zing!
- garrettg84, on 02/01/2009, -0/+4Did you read the article? They already know MOST of the protocols now....
"...the ultimate goal of the OpenChange project is to implement the Microsoft Exchange protocols as used by Outlook, not IMAP or WebDAV, but the Exchange MAPI/RPC protocol." - mrBitch, on 02/01/2009, -1/+5@ r3negadeX RE: " I'm pretty sure most people can tell the difference between M$ Office and OpenOffice. Linux isn't automatically the best solution to everything."
Did you even read the article?
Once OpenChange COMPLETELY reverse engineers the closed Exchange protocol, you can use MS Outlook as your client, since Outlook will THINK it's connecting to an Exchange Server.
Outlook won't be able to tell the difference.
Of course, Microsoft could keep releasing "updates" to their Exchange Server and Outlook clients to try and break OpenChange.
But those changes that MS does to their closed Exchange protocols will also piss off the enterprise market as well... - Myztry, on 02/01/2009, -1/+5Who says people are happy with it?
- KAMiKAZOW, on 02/01/2009, -0/+4Graphics in back-end technologies Akonadi and OpenChange? You mean like the four icons displayed in Akonadi Control Module?
- sexybobo, on 02/01/2009, -0/+4http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=v ...
COD4 is working great except for PunkBuster - badqat, on 02/01/2009, -0/+4I'll agree with you that Exchange is a solid product. However - if you have a poor administrator, it can quickly become a nightmare.
- n0ia, on 02/01/2009, -0/+3I think once enough people adopt a free solution into their network, some of the other groupware suites will take off and at least catch up, if not exceed, the capabilities of Exchange.
Unfortunately there are so many companies that rely on Exchange, it's a task to try and convince them to try something else - even if it's free. - InorganicMatter, on 02/01/2009, -2/+5There's several open-source groupware applications trying to be like Exchange (Horde, phpGroupWare, eGroupWare). Everyone still uses Exchange because all the open-source alternatives suck, and TBH, Exchange 2007 kicks ass.
- inactive, on 02/01/2009, -3/+6Wow, people actually use WinMo-based phones? I feel sorry for you guys.
Time to upgrade to a G1 or something else...a Blackberry even. - waspinator, on 02/02/2009, -0/+3I thought Evolution already worked with exchange?
- ilgaz, on 02/01/2009, -0/+3http://windows.kde.org
they already have a nice, online MSI installer for Windows., - sirhomer, on 02/01/2009, -0/+3He is not right. He forgot to mention Zimbra, which is already a serious competitor to Exchange (with tens of millions of users). It has full support for Outlook MAPI. My University uses it exclusively.
http://www.zimbra.com/ - RaulMuadDib, on 02/01/2009, -2/+4Someone will port it to gtk
- mrBitch, on 02/01/2009, -0/+2@ InorganicMatter RE: " Everyone still uses Exchange because all the open-source alternatives suck... "
You're right, but you're only right UNTIL OpenChange project complete reverse engineering Exchange's closed and proprietary protocols.
If OpenChange can do this, Microsoft will be competing with an open source project that can LOOK EXACTLY like an Exchange Server.
You will be able to use MS Outlook clients to connect to OpenChange, and your Outlook won't know the difference.
OpenChange is replacing ALL of the Exchange Server back end with OpenChange server.
FTA :
"... not IMAP or WebDAV, but the Exchange MAPI/RPC protocol."
Once the OpenChange team have completed reverse engineering Microsoft's proprietary and closed Exchange protocols, you will see a free "OpenChange" Server that will talk to your Microsoft Outlook clients (or any other OpenChange enabled clients.
Of course, Microsoft could keep releasing "updates" to their Exchange Server and Outlook clients to try and break OpenChange.
But those changes that MS does to their closed Exchange protocols will also piss off the enterprise market as well... - ileftfark, on 02/01/2009, -1/+3I know... my printer is listed under the 'paperweight' column :/ (X2470)
But it is one of those printers that uses a single cartridge for color + black, and they cost more than the $35 I got the printer for, so maybe time to upgrade! Now, if only syncing a WM6 phone was so easy. I am technically able to sync, but it's pretty ugly, and not all the features are there. Yet. - Peterix, on 02/01/2009, -1/+3I have a WinCE 2003 one... I can't really *fully* sync it with anything else but a full version od Outlook without some hacking. If you can get a network connection to your phone (wifi, PPP over USB or bluetooth), you can install a SyncML client to your phone and then connect it to just about anything semi-reliably.
I have it setup with eGroupware, but it should sync with anything that supports SyncML. Files can be synced too if you have a removable memory card.
Also, if you feel really adventurous, you could try the combination of SynCE and OpenSync (google 'em). Just make sure you have backed up your phone, because they can be rather unstable. - superyounan1, on 02/02/2009, -0/+2then I'll switch to it, that was my point. As long as it is a 'free and open' version of what people already love, they won't switch, it really has to go many steps beyond.
- inactive, on 02/05/2009, -0/+1ISP in Canberra stands for:
Itchy Scrotum Provider - inactive, on 02/01/2009, -2/+3Well if your business is rolling a lot of Microsoft stuff, and people are happy with it, why change it?
- serp, on 02/01/2009, -2/+3It seems odd that the person they interviewed was a KDE developer when the article is fairly negative about KDE and pro-Gnome. It even has the developer stating he would not suggest using the new technology with Akonadi in production for a while.
From the article...
“Evolution does mail, address book, calendar, to-do lists, and memos from an Exchange 2007 server,” Hards said. “The KDE one is not that good yet and has a little way to go."
...
“I would not recommend Akonadi in production use,” he said. - matthekc, on 02/01/2009, -1/+2Yeah but being almost as good as exchange or knowing 95% of the protocols will only get a foss solution so far. An example would be Firefox it is better then IE and renders web pages more correctly so even though IE is free and downloading Firefox costs people time they still do it to the tune of 30% or more of users. On the other hand Open office is free and even thought its competitor is rather expensive; it is feature incomplete and does not open and save doc and docx perfectly so although rising its home adoption is around 20% and business adoption is under 10%
- stix213, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1This will be just one more arrow in your quiver to show them that OSS can be as well and better than Microsuck. But if they are really that brainless, then just show them compiz. They will be amazed by the flashy colors, spinning cubes, and windows bursting into flames... and completely forget that work needs to be done.
- stix213, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1Nice nice nice nice! It looks like it won't be long before I can delete this stupid Windows XP vm I use for Outlook. I'll have to try getting this going this weekend. (crossing fingers)
- 16777216, on 02/13/2009, -0/+1My apologies, my comment seems to have been placed incorrectly.
Meanwhile back at the farm... Digg's comment system can suck my nuts squeaky clean. - n0ia, on 02/01/2009, -1/+2@popfrogs: I have a Moto Q9c with WinMo 6.1. I don't have any real complaints about it. It does what I need, and there are plenty of tweaks that can be made to it.
I'd like to have a G1, but I'm on Verizon locked into a contract, so until that runs up or when Verizon starts selling an android, I won't be getting one. - dotRoot, on 02/02/2009, -0/+1I don't think Horde, phpGroupware, or eGroupWare are trying to be Exchange replacements. I suppose if you were using projects to replace Exchange that aren't really meant to, then that would suck. It wouldn't work if you tried to replace your transmission with a rubberband would it?
- stix213, on 02/04/2009, -0/+1Their website says it is expected to be included with Gnome 2.26
http://www.openchange.org/index.php?option=com_con ... -
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