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- virtualball, on 08/28/2009, -18/+208To be perfectly honest, I don't get this whole "iPhone killer" marketing scheme. It's not like any phone will get people to stop buying the iPhone; it's a brand, people will always buy it. I'm not trying to be a fanboy, but it's just true. It's not become a social stigma, people everywhere think it's a cool to be seen with. Once the whole "luxury as fashion" aspect has occurred, nothing can truly "kill" it until people just get bored and move on with it. Like Pokemon back in the day, there was no "Pokemon killer," people just stopped playing.
Just my $0.02
(Though, I will say that it's a sexy phone fo sho!) :D - abbathdoom, on 08/27/2009, -7/+124I think this new Maemo and the netbook OS Moblin show you just how gorgeous a modern linux interface built from the ground up is. Seeing stuff like this gives me the confidence that eventually Linux on the desktop will be gorgeous too. It will just take time to get rid of the legacy stuff and transition over.
- Xellerated, on 08/28/2009, -24/+93Better than the iPhone?! I think there is an app for that.
- TMFinept, on 08/28/2009, -2/+70It's not a marketing scheme, it's a mainstream media meme. Everything is compared to the iPhone, including technologies that precede its arrival.
- David513, on 08/28/2009, -10/+66It's sheer ignorance to say that using Linux gives this phone "multitasking [that] iPhones can't have." The iPhone's OS is based on BSD Unix, so it's just as CAPABLE of multitasking. Apple just doesn't ALLOW it. You can argue that you think the tradeoff of allowing multitasking (by hurting battery life) is worth it, but you can't make the technical argument that using Linux is the reason this one has something the iPhone CAN'T have. It's purely a design/feature decision on Apple's part to disallow multitasking. So how about a little more being factual and less rah-rah for your favorite operating system?
- JeffRyemon, on 08/28/2009, -12/+67You can't kill it, you'll only make it stronger.
- thisthatwhat, on 08/28/2009, -8/+61Linux on the desktop is already gorgeous. Have you tried the latest KDE and Gnome interfaces? It's not made for touch interfaces but the point and click and 3D desktops is pretty amazing.
- DenLadeSide, on 08/28/2009, -2/+50I have used one for a while (working in Nokia) - and even if mine is a prototype (which is under development), the quality seems VERY good. The hardware is fast, software is slick - and you can do many things I seriously doubt will come to other platforms any time soon.
On top of that - it's actually quite open and easy to develop for - in different languages.
Even if we have access to prototypes from time to time - I (and many I know in the company) plan to buy (read: with own money) when it becomes available. So yes, it's worth it ;-) - DenLadeSide, on 08/28/2009, -0/+46Well - you should try to do some apps for Maemo. I must admit that I had similar thoughts a while back - but after seeing how much you can do and how easy it is (and how many languages are supported), I have been completely converted to Maemo. If you want something easy, try Qt or libSDL with python bindings (pyside, pygame) running on the device. The great thing with Qt (just one of the possibilities) is that you can run the same app (with none - or only a very few changes to the source) on Linux, Windows, Mac, Maemo and S60 (check qt.nokia.com).
Try out the Qt Creator - download from qt.nokia.com and get started building for the desktop. - xkar, on 08/28/2009, -1/+46"Adding yet another platform into the mix " Tell that to Google. Maemo predates Android by 3 years...
- NidStyles, on 08/28/2009, -9/+50Uh yes it is. The iPhone run's a TI OMAP 3530. It's a Cortex-A8 based chip with super-scalar tacked on. That mean's it can multi-task. The N900 is running the same TI OMAP 3530 series chip, but it can multi-task.
So obviously, it's not a hardware issue. The supporting hardware on the device doesn't matter, as they are SoC, which means the OS runs completely off of the chip with it's built in ROM and RAM. So the logical conclusion is that Apple, as usual, neutered their product. - frsrblch, on 08/28/2009, -21/+60$700?!
For that much it had better make waffles. - silviumc, on 08/28/2009, -1/+39This is the unsubsidized price. You don't buy phones this way in US, you mostly buy it with a contract. So the price will be around $300...
- inactive, on 08/28/2009, -0/+38Can't talk, programming fart app for the Nokia..
- burketo, on 08/28/2009, -3/+37WANT. SO. MUCH!!
- ACiDGRiM, on 08/28/2009, -1/+34But it was rejected...
- noisymime, on 08/28/2009, -0/+33Maemo uses pretty much a 'normal' desktop stack. GTK+, cairo, Busybox WM etc. Standard tools are all included: Samba, SQLite, apt, GStreamer, V4L etc, though whether Nokia makes them available to the end user I'm not sure.
The original Nokia maemo based internet tables ran KDrive, a scaled down X server. Since KDrive got rolled into the mainline X tree, I can only assume newer versions, such as what is in the N900, are using a fairly off the shelf x server, albeit with some configuration obviously.
Its also NOT proprietary. Maemo is well and truly open source.
Please see http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_gettin ... for more info - inactive, on 08/28/2009, -7/+39Everything's an iPod or iPhone killer. Yawn.
- thisthatwhat, on 08/28/2009, -5/+33Does the iPhone even play in the same market? I have the N770 and the N800 which leads me to believe that the N900 is meant to be in the Internet Tablet market. The N900 is just a internet tablet which is also a phone.
- rigg419, on 08/28/2009, -1/+28Dumb title, but a pretty cool phone.
Apple has sold a googolplex of iPhones, plus eleventy billion iPod Touches, nobody is killing that line of products anytime soon.
That said, this N900 seems like it's what the N97 should have been, though products usually look good in demos. I'll wait at least until some reviews come in before I pass judgment. I like Nokia, and S60 was awesome back in the day, but it's old and tired now, so I'm glad they're trying something different from the endless parade of S60 phones that seem to go nowhere here in the states. Competition is good for us consumers, so I sincerely hope this is an awesome phone that forces some innovation from the likes of Apple and HTC. - MWeather, on 08/28/2009, -0/+25You can't install Linux apps on Android, just Java apps. Maemo let you run whatever you want. Why pay for apps that are already available for free?
- NidStyles, on 08/28/2009, -1/+24Thank you, I didn't want to be the one to tell him how off base he was.
Maemo started with the N8*0 series Internet tablets. Most people aren't even aware of these devices, as Nokia just is not a very popular brand in the US, and I don't understand why. I only use Nokia phone's now.Traveling internationally with a locked down, or neutered phone is a pain. - mu0p, on 08/28/2009, -4/+27Im sorry, but the more I hear this, the harder I laugh.
- goeric, on 08/28/2009, -2/+24It isn't the OS, NidStyles, it's Apple's restrictions. You can jailbreak and multitask, and it's still the same OS.
- ripple123, on 08/28/2009, -5/+25the thing is, the iphone isint a fad. its just apple was the first one to have the balls to do a touchpad mobile phone really well.
- IOhBot, on 08/28/2009, -9/+26iPhones CAN have multitasking, it's just that Apple does not enable it.
- portis, on 08/28/2009, -0/+17yes...you should be ashamed. very ashamed. now go sulk in a corner.
- dralezero, on 08/28/2009, -1/+17Just look at how much RAZR was when it first came out. Lol.
- incidentflux, on 08/28/2009, -1/+17Nokia N900 technical specs
* Processor and 3D accelerator: TI OMAP 3430: ARM Cortex-A8 600 MHz, PowerVR SGX with OpenGL ES 2.0 support
* BL-5J 1320mAh
* OS: Maemo 5 software on Linux
* Up to 1GB of application memory (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)
* 32 GB internal storage
* Up to 16 GB of additional storage with an external microSD card (Total up to 48GB)
* Volume: Approx 113cc
* Dimensions: 110.9 × 59.8 × 18 (19.55 at thickest part) mm
* Weight: Approx 181g
* Full QWERTY tactile keyboard
* Full QWERTY onscreen keyboard
Frequencies
* Quad-band GSM EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
* WCDMA 900/1700/2100 MHz
Data network
GPRS class A, multislot class 32, maximum speed 107/64.2 kbps (DL/UL) EDGE class A, multislot class 32, maximum speed 296/177.6 kbps (DL/UL) WCDMA 900/1700/2100. Maximum speed PS 384/384 kbps (DL/UL) HSPA 900/1700/2100. Maximum speed PS 10/2 Mbps (DL/UL) WLAN IEEE 802.11b/g
Call features
* WLAN IEEE 802.11b/g
* 3.5 inch touch-sensitive widescreen display
* 800 × 480 pixel resolution
* 3.5mm AV connector
* TV out (PAL/NTSC) with Nokia Video Connectivity Cable
* Micro-USB connector, High-Speed USB 2.0
* Bluetooth v2.1 including support for stereo headsets
* Integrated FM transmitter
* Integrated GPS with A-GPS
Video
* Wide aspect ratio 16:9 (WVGA)
* Video recording file format: .mp4; codec: MPEG-4
* Video recording at up to 848 × 480 pixels (WVGA) and up to 25fps
* Video playback file formats: .mp4, .avi, .wmv, .3gp; codecs: H.264, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV, H.263
Music and audio playback
* Maemo media player
* Music playback file formats: .wav, .mp3, .AAC, .eAAC, .wma, .m4a
* Built-in FM transmitter
* Ring tones: .wav, .mp3, .AAC, .eAAC, .wma, .m4a
* FR, EFR, WCDMA, and GSM AMR
* Digital stereo microphone
* DLNA
Discuss: http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=8 ... - asskicker32, on 08/28/2009, -1/+16How much does an unsubsidized iphone cost? Thats right. $700
- apache2, on 08/28/2009, -2/+17I wish I was Marina Harrison's friend.
- vincent777, on 08/28/2009, -0/+14"just a(sic) internet tablet which is also a phone."
And how is that not awesome? - drunkenoaf, on 08/28/2009, -0/+14I had a N770-- that was just too big to be a phone. It seems that the N900 is more the shape and size of the N97.
- HappyScrappy, on 08/28/2009, -11/+24Saying the Linux in the N900 is the reason it can multitask is rather strange since it isn't the OS in the iPhone that keeps it from multitasking.
- floopy, on 08/28/2009, -1/+14That's why these tablets are so great. No need to jailbreak, and apps are free (at least on the last version).
For the types of apps go to http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008/ - ahtu, on 08/28/2009, -2/+15It costs $700 because it's not tied to a monthly subscription that'll end up milking a ***** more money from you and locks you to one operator.
iPhone costs over $800 in Belgium where you can buy it without it being tied to a subscription that's gonna make the end price hike up to thousands of dollars. - Lightstab, on 08/28/2009, -3/+16@norman619
You're making the erroneous assumption that regular people, non-geeks, know that they are being denied something (the iPhone can multi-task but Apple doesn't allow it) with the iPhone. I guarantee that the average consumer doesn't know what multi-tasking is and doesn't care, even if you explained it to them.
They just know that the iPhone has a ***** of apps, multi-touch, a full html browser and a bunch of other stuff no phone had before and they like that. - NidStyles, on 08/28/2009, -0/+13I bet you never used a computer before multi-tasking CPU's, and OS's.
True multi-tasking makes everything run smoother. If you have any doubt's go find an old 286, and install DOS. - HigherLogic, on 08/28/2009, -1/+14Exactly. Look how much the iPhone costs without a 2-year contract from AT&T.
- turael, on 08/28/2009, -0/+12As I read this post I pretended it was Steve Jobs talking, made it about 10 times better.
- Rezistik, on 08/28/2009, -2/+14It's the RAZR or Sidekick of its day. Until the next thing comes along people will continue buying the iPhone.
- NidStyles, on 08/28/2009, -0/+12I don't understand this obsession with Android. It's really not that great of an OS.
Maemo is stable, and has been in development long enough to be mature. Plus the added feature that Maemo is Nokia's replacement for Symbian, and that was well known from the beginning.
I could say the same about Android, but it's counter productive as the only reason it was every released on any phone was because Google dropped a lot of money on HTC to develop it for their phone's. - NidStyles, on 08/28/2009, -2/+14Android is overly hyped garbage. Go ahead bury me.
- blackjack75, on 08/28/2009, -2/+14The only real iPhone killer would be a guy who actually murdered someone by shoving an iPhone in his throat.
- ikkefc3, on 08/28/2009, -1/+13The iPhone 3g s costs $1140 without contract, thats even more expensive.
- Elranzer, on 08/28/2009, -1/+13Not in the USA (its country of origin, for *****'s sake)
- MacParrot, on 08/28/2009, -3/+15Comment from the article
"It's the next in line to be the "iPhone killer".
Amazing that the computer company, that all industry leaders stated had no business or expertise being in mobile phones, with a single phone at a single carrier is causing every one of these guys to redevelop their products to match the iPhone's features.
Not saying the iPhone is the best...that's understandably subjective....but it's definitely the most influential phone on the market today." - kamisama, on 08/28/2009, -0/+11"though whether Nokia makes them available to the end user I'm not sure"
Well it's still linux right? There's bound to be ways to make it behave exactly as you want. That's the beauty of linux. - bluechild, on 08/28/2009, -4/+15It's funny how you say legacy stuff, when KDE is probably the single most innovative desktop on any desktop platform right now.
- David513, on 08/28/2009, -3/+14There's a huge difference between "doesn't have" and "can't have." The iPhone CAN have it. (I couldn't care less about arguing the point about whether it SHOULD have it or not, because that's not the point.) Whoever wrote the summary seems to think that multitasking is this unique thing that is made possible by Linux, as though Linux offers something unique in this regard over BSD. That's just not the case. ANY variant of Unix could have done it. The BSD Unix inside the iPhone is fully capable of it, so the iPhone CAN have it if Apple chooses to use it. Take off your fanboi blinders and see that somebody was hyping Linux in a way that's just not deserved, in the technical sense.
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