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- jbus, on 03/25/2009, -2/+48Not to mention that Google is still dragging its feet on Chrome for Linux. If other Webkit based browser projects like Midori & Arora can release working code in a reasonable amount of time, then Google should be able to do the same with chrome. More and more, it seems that Google is adopting Apple's strategy of greatly benefiting from open source/Linux, but failing to to give back in return.
- jbus, on 03/26/2009, -1/+23Webkit is based on KHTML from KDE's Konqueror browser, but Apple releases their changes in a way that ensures it's difficult for KDE developers to add those changes back in to KDE.
- CoreyTamas, on 03/26/2009, -13/+31Ok... a lot of crap makes it to the front page, and I'm cool with that. But I draw the line at "wah wah wah" forum posts. And this is definitely one of those.
So very buried. - Fratz, on 03/26/2009, -1/+17Sign up if you want to beta test a Linux version of Gmail voice and video: https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pYZOS ... (link originally posted by LuluShapiro at the story link)
- TheFounder, on 03/26/2009, -0/+15fine.. then release the source code and let us build it.
- omoshiroi, on 03/26/2009, -0/+13Huh... installing Windows didn't give me Google Video Chat in Linux.
- Bicep, on 03/25/2009, -2/+14Add your name to the group.... Let's get video chat for Google!
- Denominator88, on 03/26/2009, -8/+19I know I'm going to get Dugg down for this, but the answer is simple. Linux desktops hold a VERY small percentage of the OS market. Google has to pay programmers and developers for each version they make of a program to port it over. Sadly, with a user base so small it's not surprising they don't develop for Linux. I know if I was spending millions of dollars on a project like that, that was in development, I'd find it hard to put funds into making it available on Linux, even though I am a Linux user. Linux is a great OS, but it just doesn't have the market share out there. What's the percentage of desktop machines with Linux on it? Would you spend enormous sums of money porting your product over to the 1% (or even less) of computers that can't use it?
- azureskies88, on 03/26/2009, -2/+13It's not like we Linux users aren't already used to not feeling the love, though...
- Mufaka, on 03/26/2009, -0/+10Does there really need to be another purpose?
- Fratz, on 03/26/2009, -2/+10I heard that more than 8 people use your mom.
- Shootfast, on 03/26/2009, -0/+8A large number of internal google Desktops run linux. Surely that's incentive to develop for the benefit of their own employees
- FlyingCaveman, on 03/26/2009, -0/+7Just use Ekiga then. I don't need no stinkin' google
- inactive, on 03/26/2009, -2/+9What is the purpose of a video chat other than exposing your appendage to an unexpecting victim?
- enoyls, on 03/26/2009, -0/+7Maybe Ekiga has gotten better, but when I used it (~ 2 years ago) voip worked (badly) and video didn't work at all. Skype on Linux is a better option if you can stomach using non-free software (per medibuntu definitions).
- Fratz, on 03/26/2009, -4/+11They decided to use Linux for their cell phone efforts, and Linux had virtually zero market share in the cell phone space. The point is, they could write anything they wanted to for desktop Linux and end up growing the OS and having a say in its future, by virtue of creating killer apps for it.
- inactive, on 03/26/2009, -1/+8At least your name fits your comment.
- Bicep, on 03/26/2009, -0/+6Get counted, signup for the beta tester notification here:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pYZOS ...
Also, here are some other articles about the same thing:
http://groups.google.com/group/Gmail-Help-Discussi ...
http://digg.com/linux_unix/OFFICIAL_WAY_if_you_wan ... - ThantiK, on 03/26/2009, -0/+6The benefit of giving it to linux users is that the source is available. Users fork it, add nice features, and google can turn around and hold the NAME "google chrome" ransom just like mozilla did for firefox.
But, since source would be available, google could merge that same code, get thhe benefits out of it. Giving software to linux users is like hiring 100 programmers for free. - freeforall079, on 03/26/2009, -1/+6Here's the Ubuntu daily builds.
https://edge.launchpad.net/~chromium-daily/+archiv ... - ArthurSucks, on 03/26/2009, -0/+5Super alternative? Is that different that just regular alternative? Linux ain't that far out, it's only the 3rd most used. Super alternative would be like using Xenix.
- orbish, on 03/26/2009, -2/+7This isn't a google problem. The linux community itself has neglected V4L and V4L2 for a while. It's a pain in the ass to get any webcam to work on linux. At least that has been my experience.
- CoreyTamas, on 03/26/2009, -0/+5Don't get me wrong; I'm a huge Linux fan... but, yeah. You pretty much just summed it up.
- bonez56, on 03/26/2009, -0/+4I don't run Windows at home. I'm forced to use it at work and I work in a Midrange Unix/Linux support environment for a government department. We maintain our ~300 servers with Putty. What a joke.
Wake up google. Release your products in open source / *nix at the same time as you do with your Windows products. You'll certainly make a lot more people happy. You have NO excuse for Chrome or Google Video Chat to be unavailable to those who utilize the same GPL that your server back-ends run on. - mrsteveman1, on 03/26/2009, -0/+4It doesn't take enormous sums of money, most of the work is already done. The rendering engine, the javascript engine both run on Linux just fine. Essentially it is the user interface and the program logic that are not as mature on Linux. Google has billions of dollars of ad money, and encourages their employees to spend some percentage of their paid work time to work on projects that have nothing at all to do with Google. So don't try and tell me development time is at a premium, they seem to have plenty of it.
- ethana2, on 03/26/2009, -1/+5Ubuntu 9.04 will ship a version of empathy that will support google video chat without some odd proprietary client, I think. I'll be installing the beta soon, that's the first thing I'm going to try to get working.
At least google isn't pulling as much crap with us as, say, Skype. - ptFoe, on 03/26/2009, -6/+10Most people are don't find the physical appearance of a Linux geek appealling, so Google are practicing their policy of "don't be evil"
- DigitalPioneer, on 03/26/2009, -0/+4If 50 million Linux articles are making the front page, perhaps they actually have a point. Did that never occur to you?
- rusty0101, on 03/26/2009, -2/+6Normally I wouldn't digg this article, as I don't expect anyone at Google is paying any attention. But if I can annoy the people arguing that it's because Google doesn't want to spend time on less than 1% of the market share, when it's easily demonstrated that Google is a part of that 1% market share, (in server systems anyway, as well as cell phone platform OS's) I'll happily be a thorn in their sides. Dugg.
- hansrodtang, on 03/26/2009, -0/+4Empathy for GNOME supports it ^^.
- Samueul, on 03/26/2009, -0/+4They released picasa under wine. It took them forever to release a native client.... I believe they did the same thing with Google Earth?
- ArthurSucks, on 03/26/2009, -1/+5Not all computers come with windows. My computer simply had a blank drive.
- inactive, on 03/26/2009, -0/+4That's right! You're 15 years old! No 14 year old attacks for you.
- DigitalPioneer, on 03/26/2009, -0/+4OK. It's impossible to accurately measure the use of OSes. There are user-agent modders, because so many imbecile sites require IE to work. There are cheaters, who make fake requests to tilt the results. There may be (MAY be) bias on the part of the counter. There is the fact that not every single person on the internet is going to parade by your page to be counted. The point is, no-one knows what the market shares are.
Besides, Google owes Linux a massive debt for everything they have become, regardless of market share. - seanlilmateus, on 03/26/2009, -1/+4The real Problem is that Windows and Mac OS X have standardlized Video and Sound API's - so it's easier to develop such Application for those Platform. This the other side of the shield, you get a lot of choose with Linux.
- bxcrx, on 03/26/2009, -0/+3It's pretty funny that Linux gets the cold shoulder even by a company who uses Linux for their search engine infrastructure, and mobile O/S.
- shadowblade989, on 03/26/2009, -1/+4You should learn to use a keyboard.
And also not troll. - dcherryholmes, on 03/26/2009, -0/+3I've got those ppa packages in my sources.list file. I could *maybe* live without tabs, which aren't implemented yet. But the Options function isn't implemented either, so I can't even set a home page. It's hardly usable. I do get a Chromium update every day, though, and I check every day to see if these two functions are implemented. I'm pretty happy with Firefox on my beefier machines, but the performance on my netbook sucks (yes, I've done all the tweaking I can find.... still sucks). That netbook is the main reason I'm dying to get a usable Chrome(ium) on Linux.
- shadowblade989, on 03/26/2009, -0/+3AboveandBeyond is buying! Get yours here!
- sark666, on 03/29/2009, -0/+2Not going to digg you down, but if their strategy is porting over then they are already failing if they truly want their programs available to the widest audience (yes linux audience is small). What they need to do is write their programs to be cross platform from the get go.
Look at id software, just about all their games have a native linux client. Think how complicated a high end 3d game is vs some web voice chat program or even a browser. And John Carmack doesn't do this to squeak out a few more sales, he's does this and I quote, 'because it's a good thing.' - mrsteveman1, on 03/26/2009, -1/+3And puppies, yes.
- mrsteveman1, on 03/26/2009, -0/+2Lack of mainstream applications? Are you ***** kidding? Just about every mainstream application released on Windows gets released on OS X too, including things like Photoshop. Do you even pay attention to what goes on in the IT world?
- ruskie, on 03/28/2009, -0/+2Enjoy your fail.
- juberti, on 03/26/2009, -0/+2We're working on it. The method that we use to get the decoded video stream into the browser on Windows and Mac turned out to not work on Linux, so we needed to do some fairly significant rearchitecting.
If you want to be one of the first to test it when it's ready, you can sign up at https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pYZOS ...
If you can't wait until then, and want to try running it using Wine, there are great instructions at http://alex.eftimie.ro/2008/11/18/howto-gmail-voic ...
Justin
http://juberti.blogspot.com - JoeBaynham, on 03/26/2009, -0/+2Come to think of it, where the hell is chrome?
- muppethouse, on 03/26/2009, -0/+2Sadly this is not as true as it should be - even for voice. If your point is that this is really where everyone should focus rather than at Google though I agree.
With empathy, as I understand there are a bunch of challenges and inconsistencies with Google's implementations of libjingle. I spent hours one Saturday on the telepathy IRC channel trying beyond all hope to get this to work. Yes, empathy to empathy video chat via gTalk can work, but likely most people want to be able to video chat with others using the gmail interface. - Frostek, on 03/26/2009, -1/+3The Creative Labs Live Optia works without drives on Windows, Mac *and* Linux. I've got one and it works fine in every webcam application. Plugged it in - it worked.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Creative-Live-Cam-Optia-OE ...
£6.18 - not pricy either! - straps, on 03/27/2009, -0/+21 vote for Chrome and Video Chat on Linux...thanks
- mrsteveman1, on 03/26/2009, -0/+2Really, so why do they release Picasa and a number of other programs for Linux? Huh, how about that, you don't understand the subject.
- Fratz, on 03/26/2009, -0/+2You call this a large part? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b6/Mark ... That was as of late last year and includes Android in with Palm OS and Brew, as well as a separate Linux section. Even adding up the separate Linux section with Android/PalmOS/Brew, market share as of late last year was still smaller than any other OS. So yes, Google took an OS with virtually zero market share and grew it in the smartphone market, as they could with the desktop market.
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