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- ilovemyimac, on 02/14/2009, -4/+53in other news ATI release their opengl 3.0 for linux, 3 weeks ago .. ... competition is good, nvidia is late http://news.softpedia.com/news/Latest-ATI-Linux-Vi ...
- 4DFX, on 02/13/2009, -0/+34Is there any way to graphically see what's new in OpenGL 3.0 ?
- priegog, on 02/14/2009, -5/+33Ugh.
Remember when nvidia used to be the popular kid in ubuntuforums? Since then ATI hae redeemed themselves and became the new hot kid in town. It's cool they release drivers every so often and all, but it just now doesn't compare to having them open sourced. AMD/ATI proved that opening the specs not only doesn't get your trade secrets stolen, but actually helps you getting a ton of sales (if not, ask any linuxer what you should look for in a new computer. guess what card my new laptop is gonna have?). And I think being popular with the community is going to become really important, REALLY soon. Even more so if adobe pulls an unexpected stunt and decides to FINALLY release photoshop for linux, or Valve releases a native Linux steam (not that I think it will happen, just showing that ANYTHING could happen in the market that could shake everything up)
My main issue is, of course, that their drivers are pretty hefty and don't feel very elegant or inobtrusive (as should be, IMHO, and which is being achieved by theopen source ATI drivers). Just like in windows. No, it won't play well with the system's graphic management tools, so you HAVE to use their app to configure things like multiple monitors.
And of course, those of us with older cards are left forgotten. This would not be a problem if they were open source.
Come on nVidia, I used to love you. Now I feel I got the short end of the stick when I bought a computer with one of your cards 4 years ago. - enlligghtenment, on 02/13/2009, -1/+18Niceeeeeeeee
- connieLingus, on 02/14/2009, -1/+14another step in the right direction for Nvidia and consumers alike...and come on submitter get it right. not just Linux but "Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris" support.
much better. - jamesmcm, on 02/14/2009, -1/+14ATI hasn't open sourced their drivers, they've just released some specifications o the community has produced some open source drivers. It's better than what Nvidia has done, but it still isn't enough.
- MrTea, on 02/14/2009, -0/+11I have an nvidia card and I've been using KDE 4.2 for a few weeks now without any problems. AFAIK, most (if not all) of the problems with KDE 4.2 with nvidia was fixed in the last drivers.
- bluechild, on 02/14/2009, -3/+12Noone likes a smart ass. Much more an ignorant smart ass.
- BrianD2, on 02/14/2009, -0/+9This is relevant to my interests.
- tonymonty, on 02/14/2009, -1/+9this is great news for linux users
- stoanhart, on 02/14/2009, -0/+7Probably once most major video drivers use Gallium3D (seriously).
- zip000, on 02/14/2009, -0/+7Ew! Ew! I like a smart ass!
...especially an ignorant one! - jonnyvice, on 02/14/2009, -0/+6Actually, Nvidia has had quite the functional linux beta driver that supported the full opengl 3.0 spec since the week after the opengl 3.0 spec was released by the kronos group.
- geoken, on 02/14/2009, -1/+7Your argument jumps between referencing the open source and closed source drivers. When you feel like praising ATI's performance you make reference to their closed drivers, then try and give the credit to the open source community (who hasn't really been able to do anything of merit with their open driver).
- briarpatch, on 02/14/2009, -1/+7Here's hoping it solves the problem that made KDE 4.2 nearly impossible for people with nVidia cards.
- jeffehobbs, on 02/14/2009, -0/+5Is it?
- Hurricane, on 02/14/2009, -0/+5At least the sarcastic guy can spell.
- stoanhart, on 02/15/2009, -0/+5The point of Gallium is to separate the front end API from the back end video card specific driver. For example, right now every video card driver needs to implement OpenGL from scratch, which is a very tedious waste of effort. This is why currently DX support is done via Wine, which converts the D3D calls to OpenGL calls. If DX were to be implemented at the video card level, it would not only need to be reverse engineered, but also implemented in the "assembly" language of every video card out there.
With Gallium, the video card driver is only a thin layer that translates Gallium instructions (an assembly language that can be implemented on any card with pixel shaders, I believe) to the card's native instructions. This means that an API like OpenGL only has to be implemented once and would then work on any Gallium compatible card. Same goes for DX; one could remove DX from wine and instead implement it in Gallium, and then any Gallium card could run it. DX would become as native as OpenGL. The benefits don't just stop there, as you can make any front end you want. OpenCL, OpenVL, x264, anything. - weebit, on 02/14/2009, -1/+5/weebit does the happy dance, and then hugs the Linux box.
/humor attempt, with a dash of love added because today is Valentines day. - Kingster, on 02/14/2009, -0/+4I don't think those would have fit. There *is* a length limit, ya know. :)
- moduc, on 02/14/2009, -1/+4this release screwed up one of my machine badly. Luckily, I have the older install, and was able to go back.
The other machine, it works fine. Interestingly though, the xorg.conf file generated by the newest driver works with the older driver (that I reinstall to remove the newer 180.29 one) and now, with the older driver (177), I can see transparency, etc. This means it was there before, not fully supported. - theaceoffire, on 02/14/2009, -1/+4I believe that both Fear 2:Project Origin and Fallout 3 are available on both the PS3 and the 360 as well, not to mention the advancements that Wine is making.
- XeroXenith, on 02/16/2009, -0/+3My mistake, I didn't know that. Sorry :)
- compu73rg33k, on 02/14/2009, -0/+3So it's for UNIX based OS's? UNIX *is* shorter than Linux, ya know.
- ICLW, on 02/14/2009, -0/+3Bah, how about some hardware acceleration for H.264 for the 7X series cards. My AMD 3200+ + 7600GS can't even play 720 smoothly under Linux.
- nmanguy, on 02/14/2009, -2/+5They only released this because ATI did. They probably just had it already programmed out and just... waited.
- damentz, on 02/15/2009, -0/+2He's right, just -march=native and throw some -O3's on it.
- moduc, on 02/14/2009, -0/+2I just can't get WUXGA on this M1730 Dell laptop with 180.29. So I had to roll back to 177.xx.
- damentz, on 02/15/2009, -0/+2If you press the enter key twice, you can make paragraphs that I'll read next time.
- sark666, on 02/14/2009, -2/+4Here's hoping they have the threaded optimzation option that windows has for their drivers.
As an example I finally got a more modern rig and one game I'm playing is ET quakewars (awesome btw) which has a linux binary. This game is a bit of a beast and I only got good performance when turning on the hyperthreading option in game AND turning on threaded optimization in the nvidia control panel. Yes I've tried the linux qw threaded binary but didn't make as a much of a boost as I would suspect if it were coupled with the nvidia option.
Just bugs me that one of my favourite games is in linux and yet I'm still playing it windows - antdude, on 02/15/2009, -0/+2So what uses OpenGL 3.0 in Linux right now so we can check this out?
- derbloodlust, on 02/14/2009, -0/+2Finally, maybe now I'll give compiz fusion another try on my desktop. The integrated Intel GMA950s on both my laptop and my dad's laptop ran compiz much smoother than both my other computers that have Nvidia cards (GeForce 7 and 8 series.) At least that was the case for me maybe 5 or 6 months ago when I tried it last.
Open it up, Nvidia! - jman82s, on 02/14/2009, -1/+2Still no support for my GeForce2 under x.org 7.4?!?!
Grrrr...curse you, Nvidia! - damentz, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1So?
I can't believe it just blew up on you - that just doesn't happen erratically.
Just reinstall the packages that nvidias driver overwrites files from (typically mesa) and try again. - connieLingus, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1ok maybe not.
- KAMiKAZOW, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1Yeah, I see the "kidding ;)", but that question can be answered in a serious way. There are two possible answers depending on the scope of the question.
In recent years it became common to describe GPU capabilities with a Direct X version number. While this is a very MS-centristic and in no way a technical description, I have to admit that it is a convenient way.
So when you are asking about hardware capabilities and whether the drivers expose those capabilities to software, then the answer is "Now" (at least for recent GeForce hardware with the official NVidia drivers, probably the same with AMD/ATI hardware).
When you are asking about the API set called "Direct X 10" then it depends on the WINE team. IIRC current WINE releases already support Direct X 10 by a limited degree. Full DX10 support by WINE may take a while. - LingNoi, on 02/26/2009, -0/+1Yeah, don't let the fact that Nvidia released its drivers first get in the way of your *****..
Nvidia released their drivers on 12/16/2008
ATI released their drivers on 1/29/2009 - fuzzymuzzy, on 02/14/2009, -0/+1Install gentoo
- XeroXenith, on 02/15/2009, -0/+1Umm, Gallium3D has nothing to do with DX10. WINE does DX, but you're right, Gallium will give NV users open-source 3D goodness when it's ready.
- moduc, on 02/16/2009, -0/+1@damentz
I am sure I understand your thinking correctly. But by saying "screw up my machine", I meant the display always go low resolution on me (versus WUXGA). There is just no way I can get WUXGA on this machine (even it works on other machine). This include override, manual editing of the xorg.conf file. So going back to the old driver, it works with WUXGA.
Would re-install mesa or any files that it overwrites fix this problem? - LingNoi, on 02/26/2009, -0/+1You got it the wrong way around. Nvidia had an OpenGL 3 driver before xmas. It's ATI that are very late to the game.
"NVIDIA Beta Drivers With OpenGL 3.0 Support", Aug 15 2008
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-opengl-gls ...
The post beta driver release, "Last Updated: 12 / 16 / 2008"
http://developer.nvidia.com/object/opengl_3_driver ...
Don't let the facts get in the way of your hate mongering though.. - LingNoi, on 02/26/2009, -0/+1
- Giga, on 02/15/2009, -0/+0But Linux isn't actually UNIX based, and if it was, "UNIX based" is longer and less popular than "Linux".
- xciton, on 02/14/2009, -2/+2Whatever.
NVidia's stuff works, ATI/AMD hasn't made into a workable solution yet (think MythTV). - syathish, on 02/14/2009, -1/+1coz earlier it wasnt know to anyone ??
- priegog, on 02/14/2009, -1/+1No I don't claim those things. I'm well aware the open source ATI drivers aren't anywhere near full-featured, but if you use those,for the features they support, the experience is so much better than anyone's closed source drivers. I can't really compare them to the nvidia reverse-engineered nv drivers because they barely even work.
And I didn't mention ati's closed source drivers but yeah, they're essentially the same (for good and bad) as nvidias. I made that post first thing in the morning, wasn't exactly eloquent. But you get my point. - xciton, on 02/14/2009, -2/+1The only ones that have brought something to the table is Nvidia.
ATI/AMD hasn't provided anything of a workable solution (and haven't very many many years, perhaps 10+ (think back in the days of Mach64)).
ATI is currently blacklisted for me on any type of video / playback functionality on Linux (MythTV) - priegog, on 02/14/2009, -2/+1I'm aware they didn't make their in-house drivers open source, but rather released some specs. I didn't say they had open sourced them, but I get how it seems implied in the 4th line. Read my comment below. I was half asleep when I commented.
Anyways, I totally agree, it isn't enough, but it shows some real commitment and they should definitely be commended for doing it. What I was trying to convey was that while there probably won't be a "year of the linux desktop", it is slowly but surely gaining market share, and in this particular market niche half-assed bloatware just isn't gonna cut it. I have no way of knowing this but I'm pretty damn sure nvidia released their full specs to apple in order to develop in conjuction with them their drivers for the macs. And macs have slick, integrated, inobtrusive and awesome drivers for their computers. And we linux users want the same. We understand it's not easy to let go of some control, but so far I have seen no real-world example of a bussiness opensourcing something and then having been driven out of business because of trade secrets stealing. Only good things can come from doing so. nvidia doesn't want to play ball. And ATI have decided to steep their toes in the water. I think we should encourage them.
And all of this is the result of decades of them being used to windows users not giving a damn about yet-another-icon-in-my-taskbar and process-in-my-ram 's and bloatware. - ahawks, on 02/14/2009, -4/+1When will Linux get DirectX 10? So behind Vista!
/kidding ;) - inactive, on 02/14/2009, -8/+5Don't get your balls too wet. ATi only releases partial documentation to their hardware and their open source drivers radeonhd/ati hardly support 3D assuming your video card isn't 3 years old. Though they are better drivers than nvidia's open nv driver.
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