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- mancat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Certs are so stupid. They only exist to farm more money out of people for big corporations."
Are you going to put that on your resume? :) - cyrix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You have two sides:
Side 1: Certs are stupid, I'll shell out tens of thousands for a piece of paper that covers a general field.
Side 2: Degree's are stupid. I'll shell out a little bit of cash for a vast collection of papers that cover a general field.
It really doesn't matter what you do. Half the people in our TSC on my particular campus never got a degree. Half of those have no certs, and yet they are all amazing employees. - racerxyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Login/registration is required.
To mr. snipergx1. I've hired a few of you master-degree types (who have no applied experience), and unfortunately have had to replace a few too. "They [master degrees] only exist to farm more money out of people ..." who go into debt to buy a $40-$60k piece of paper to get a job that will instead go to a GED'r with applied experience before a masters degree grad with a diploma. - Robotsu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think we can all agree that a degree or certificate alone will never garauntee a certain level of productivity or percieved quality in the employee. Just because you have a Master degree doesn't mean you're going to be the best employee, and just because you didn't have formal training from some higher education form doesn't mean you can't match or exceed your peers in your field. I think idiots and rational human beings persists in all groups. Everyone chooses a different path to get where they are, and I don't think it means one is innately better than the other.
But then again, I'm seriously stoned. - sapo916, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0bugmenot works fine
- supa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is it me, or is a login required to view the tutorials?
- dasunst3r, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0supa: Unfortunately, you'll have to register. You may want to try something like www.bugmenot.com :)
To poster: digg++.
Even though I might not be taking this exam sometime soon, it'll still be a spiffy resource for learning more about Linux. Thanks! - treehead, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0;well -5pts for needing to register. -5pts for having to opt-out (instead of opt-in) for marketing spam. +5pts for dropping me back to the page i intended on visiting /after/ i registered. +5pts for good content. +5pts for providing each section as a downloadable PDF file. total = +5pts.
;regardless of the fact that this is for the LPI certification (and come on, IBM is corporate), it is good information, and free (as in beer).
;dugg. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Some of the worst in the profession that I have ever known have been "certified" in whatever it was at the moment. Alternately, the very best have often operated with no "certs" and only their own knowledge and self attained skills.
Certs cause you to focus on particular questions and answers to obtain them but don't indicate whether the person really is talented, skilled and able to adapt. The only thing certs are good for is making headhunters and certification houses rich. - manatee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0wow..soo geeky
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"To mr. snipergx1. I've hired a few of you master-degree types (who have no applied experience), and unfortunately have had to replace a few too. "They [master degrees] only exist to farm more money out of people ..." who go into debt to buy a $40-$60k piece of paper to get a job that will instead go to a GED'r with applied experience before a masters degree grad with a diploma."
Yep. I'm one of them. I dropped out of the ninth grade and I was making $65k by the age of 21 (this was almost a decade ago). I have no certs. No diploma. All I have is my experience. And I used my experience and strong work ethic and tenacity to open some doors to give me a chance.
I've only found that attaining certs takes me out of my element, away from my job and makes me focus on particulars that rarely have anything to do with my job (I should note that I'm not an admin, though). - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0To Seumas..
Impressive. I don't think I would have the drive to take on the task myself. I like the guidence a university gives you when studying your field. - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0True True, I didn't have to take any exams to get my degree, they just take your money and give it to you.
- supa, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is it just me, or are you required to login in order to do this or see the tutorials?
- PaulOwen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have both! masters degree and LPI1, LPI2. Neither has ever really given me any competitive advantage - my predecessors have had neither.
Qualifications and certs are fine but they are based on the premise that the opportunities exist to apply them. These days they often don't, and certs are usually used as a way of shifting the financial/time burden of training away from the company onto the individual with the simple interview question "do you have any certs to prove your ability?".
Certs prove how good you are at passing certs, that's it, and even if you can find a company that can use the skill, they're often used as a specious benchmark by hiring companies. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0oops, I meant Yep!
Somebody add a damn edit feature to Digg.... - x3n1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Great article for brushing up on the technologies implemented in Linux.
Digg +1 - krazikamikaze, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I think the most important benefit of a masters is it gives you education required to do more advanced work. That doesn't mean you'll actually be able to DO the advanced work in the field. You still need to have some experience and some motivation. Also if you're working in a job that doesn't require advanced knowledge (like code monkey), then the degree offers little advantage.
If you don't have the degree, you can still be an amazing worker, but the very top level technical jobs may be off limits to you. It is possible to learn the material on your own, it's just very difficult and highly unlikely. It's probably faster (though more expensive) to just learn it at a university. - bonedog73, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0You dont need a degree or a cert to get tech related job. Experience speaks volumes in interviews. But degrees and certs will get you past HR for that interview. Also down the road, those holding the degrees are usually promoted into management, whereas those without a degree end up working for those that do. Nothing worse that watching that snot nose kid become your boss because he has a piece of paper, even though he has half the experience that you have.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0College dropout here, with more certs than I care to count. Funny thing is, I had the experience and knowledge before I ever got the certs. Companies always paid for them after the fact......
If you have the opportunity to get a degree or certification, you'd be stupid not to. Are they needed? Nope... Do they give you advantages? Yep?. You never know what doors the right credentials will open in your future, so it can't hurt to have the "papers", but it might hinder you not to.
I still regret not finishing my degree, as I've missed some sweet opportunities in the past bacause of it. - quietglow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Um...I wonder if its the masters degree weilding types or the "I started working when I was 12" guys who will notice first that you can learn a whole lot from these guides sans being interested in IBM cert. In fact, if you were going to be a "don't need no certs" kinda fellow, these things might well give you the skillz to compete against us degreed types.
My doctorate was so what allowed me to draw that conclusion :-) - PaulOwen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0> My doctorate was so what allowed me to draw that conclusion :-)
I so hope people with doctorates don't like umm, talk like that, maaan. - dipswitch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Regular man pages worked fine for me... But then, I only tried level 1, but I passed just fine. Even though I use Ubuntu with all it's easy GUI sweetness :)
BTW, the captcha is really b0rk right now. It doesn't appear the first time, and after submitting I get the "Error in entering captcha" :/ - billmania, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0"But then again, I'm seriously stoned."
lol
Now there's one thing I'm both certified and experienced in
wow i spellled that wright!!!" - SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0No, i put my masters degree on my resume. Anyone can study for a weekend and get a passing score on a cert. It demonstrates no applied knowledge what so ever. I can't wait till i get promoted to a position where I get to read resumes and hire people.
- thatsiebguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Little does anyone know that the reason they had to switch to the crappy foam is because the EPA told them the original foam used was "harmful to the environment". So they made them use something else, that something else being what broke off and damaged Columbia........
- PaulOwen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0> Sorry to dissapoint.
I also hope people with doctorates don't usually spell like that. - quietglow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0LOL...score. Again, I've not lived up to your hopes. Its heartbreaking really.
- quietglow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Sorry to dissapoint.
- thatsiebguy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0well crap, somehow my shuttle take comment got here.. wrong tab... i failed my cert.. :(
- SniperGX1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Certs are so stupid. They only exist to farm more money out of people for big corporations.
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