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- verbaldouching, on 09/25/2008, -6/+61"tabbed windows in the Nautilus file browser" Schweet
Linux....making Windows more redundant since 1991 - ghaefb, on 09/26/2008, -2/+34I'm a long time GNOME user and I don't get all the fuss about tabs in Nautilus.. they are just awkward to use when managing files imo.
And what's with this "Taking a tip from OS X’s Spotlight search tool, GNOME’s own Deskbar search app can now perform calculator operations..." ?! Deskbar was able to do this with a plugin way back and definitely it's not taking a tip from Spotlight, because I remember when they announced it for Spotlight I was using Deskbar calculator tool already.
You don't have to scream about the new GNOME release so much, because it's a minor release from 2.22 to 2.24 it's nothing big, just a steady improvement. - TheSilentNumber, on 09/26/2008, -0/+24 Shouldn't we be in support of Android, too?
- latrosicarius, on 09/26/2008, -4/+25windows will soon be a vestigial appendage left over from the evolution of the PC
- Xionic, on 09/26/2008, -4/+23Cool, but I fail to see the pretty.
- thumbmaster021, on 09/26/2008, -2/+21Yay Tabs! I'll be looking forward to them in Ubuntu 8.10!
- Sahtor, on 09/26/2008, -0/+13Don't install generic Gnome on any stable distro. Just wait for the next versions to be released.
Mostly I'm looking forward to Telepathy and the panel enhancing stuff. I like small icons with lots of functionality - oblique63, on 09/26/2008, -1/+13It's called Android. check it out sometime
- cheeseplease, on 09/26/2008, -2/+14They should rename the terminal "Apathy".
- waspbr, on 09/26/2008, -0/+10I wish android the best of luck, I really hope it does well, but more operating systems adds options and competition and that can only benefit the users.
I look forward to the day I am able to buy a mobile phone much the same way I buy a computer with the choice of operating system that suits me best. - mozert, on 09/26/2008, -0/+10xfce anyone?
- Ki77erB, on 09/26/2008, -1/+10Its just you
- Elranzer, on 09/26/2008, -1/+9Apple: Retroactively inventing concepts after someone else already came up with the idea since 1984.
- MrChunks, on 09/26/2008, -1/+8Here's hoping but don't get your hopes up too high. There's still millions and millions and millions of people who have absolutely no idea what Linux is.
- srg13, on 09/26/2008, -1/+8Is it just me, or has everyone forgotten how Windows 95 looked?
- Vadi0, on 09/26/2008, -1/+8Yes.
The developers aren't asshats.
(oh, and empathy will get audio/video as a planned goal, plus a gstreamer-like framework for your desktop so that apps can integrate into it) - rotten777, on 09/26/2008, -0/+6xfce 4.6 soon!!! :)
- nickpick, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5Does Empathy has any advantages over, say, Pidgin?
- infiniphunk, on 09/26/2008, -1/+6I'm wondering what moving files and directories around will be like using tabs, and if it's inconvenient relative to having multiple Nautilus windows open now, will we have the option of just turning tabs off?
- ArthurSucks, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5Empathy is very modular. I opens a lot of doors for more features than Pidgin.
- Keithamus, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5Just to correct the scoreboard...
Telepathy is introduced in gnome, as the main backend for communication. Telepathy is like gstreamer for IM. Telepathy has engines which support most IMs now, and can in the future. It can use libpurple (pidgin) so it will also support whatever pidgin supports. It also supports SIP (Skype basically). And can basically be embedded into any application - so you could have gmail chat style integration in Evolution (gnome mail client).
Empathy is just the client for IM (sort of like totem for gstreamer). It is just a client, or frontend that works with Telepathy and provides the pidgin-esque interface.
To answer your question about pidgin vs telepathy/empathy. ArthurSucks is quite right, it opens many more doors than Pidgin. Vadi0 is also right in that video support is a priority. Right now Empathy supports webkit style chat windows (like Adium for the mac) if I'm not mistaken, and I also believe it supports signing in and out in sync with signing into gnome. In the future we may see features from programs like ichat, skype, perhaps having video integrated into the desktop, or maybe compiz will make use of it with some cool stuff. Basically the list of what you can do with it is endless!
*EDIT* Just wanted to add, a big reason for why Telepathy is so exciting is that its going to be integrated into Gnome (as of now) and KDE4 (as of KDE4.2) so it'll be pushed forward alot, and be pre-installed (pidgin is optional) - paulsmith288, on 09/26/2008, -0/+5it has its place as does gnome.
- nickpick, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4No, but it does it have any advantages over Pidgin at the moment? :) As in: speed, functionality, etc.
- Baryn, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4Most people don't even know what an OS is.
- Stefano1337, on 09/26/2008, -1/+5"Redundant: Duplicating or able to duplicate the function of another component of a system"
i dont think it makes windows redundant at all :-) - HorseloverFat8, on 09/26/2008, -1/+5Gnome is good and KDE is good too. Move on...
- ArthurSucks, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4The tabbed Nautilus should keep my billion opened window issue under control. I need a second monitor!
- SisyphusFragmnt, on 09/26/2008, -0/+4Woot for all desktop managers! As long as it's Linux!
- Jem7vwh, on 09/26/2008, -2/+5I love the Gnome!
- Giga, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3As someone who works with Windows CE regularly, I can say that I haven't forgotten what Windows 95 looks like. While gnome looks a lot more modernised, it does still have the Windows 95 feel to it. Think 95 + rounded corners. That's not necessarily a bad thing, it gets the job done.
- goflyers, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3Is there any reason you couldn't put GNOME on Android?
- srg13, on 09/26/2008, -0/+3I haven't tried Empathy yet, but from the screenshots I've seen, the interface doesn't look as good as Pidgin's...
- HonoredMule, on 09/26/2008, -1/+4Also worth pointing out is a huge beef I have with Gnome wanting--unless I put considerable work into overriding it--to brand all my content with generic nondescript or poorly representative icons rather than application-specific icons that would be more distinct/eye-catching as well as conveying more meaning through program association which infers both content and purpose. And then there's all the usability/learning curve arguments that the Gnome team uses to defend their position. It's like their sole purpose is to optimize the interface for perpetual strangers to Gnome or even their own desktop.
Gnome gets ONE thing right--the well organized /and/ efficient Applications/Places/Settings bar--and religiously defends itself against every accidentally getting anything else right, ever. - drag, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2> They should rename the terminal "Apathy".
How about Terminator? That's what I use. It's based off of Gnome-terminal, but you can divide up the window into sections. When admin'ng servers I'll have 3 screen sessions running on three different servers and I'll be configuring them and testing them together. Very cool thing to have when you have a big monitor.
http://www.tenshu.net/terminator/
> Hooray for displacing Pidgin.
I am looking forwards to having combined Jabber and SIP support. Get notifications, send files P2P, voice chat, etc etc. Should be something very simple to deploy for a business wanting to do VoIP on the cheap.
> I'm a long time GNOME user and I don't get all the fuss about tabs in Nautilus.. they are just awkward to use when managing files imo.
What I would like is column view. By opening up multiple folders in a side-by-side fashion it makes it very easy and quick to manage files graphically. Like sorting through a image or music collection. Tabs are kinda silly thing to want since your hiding the folders your working on.
> Would be cooler if they made it look like Topaz.
You can make it look like Topaz if you want. It's one of the fun things about the Gnome desktop.
> Looks like 7 years ago just happened again.
Well the desktop is a lot older then that.
But it's kinda of the point for Gnome that it's easy to use and clean and things are laid out in a logical, expected order. It's important for new users to be comfortable and be able to find things. It's also important that it works well on older hardware, by default. So the animations and fancy stuff is kept turned off by default.
But for advanced users wanting more you can do all sorts of crazy stuff that you can't do in Windows. For hardcore Linux nerds there are things like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awlsBVge_MM
If you don't understand what is going on in the video it's a grid-layout Window manager. Compatible with Gnome and Gnome applications it allows people to intelligently manager large amounts of Windows. and make it easy to find stuff without having to fumble around with your taskbar and whatnot.
Do you really like how OS X looks?
http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?gro ...
Or how Vista looks?
http://linuxowns.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/destk ...
You can even get the 'Expose' feature from OS X or the Windows flip stuff from Vista if you want.
Or if you want something that is more Linux-looking..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCMg1QJQqQ
That's all still Gnome. Mostly Ubuntu, too. Same software, just tweaked with. You can even add things to something useful. like Brightsides:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brightside_(software)
My point is that if they wanted something very fancy with big animated buttons and flashing lights and transparencies and all that happy *****, they quite easily can do it. No problem. They keep the default setup rather plain on purpose. - MattBD, on 09/27/2008, -0/+2@tech42er
I've found it to be very stable in Ubuntu Hardy, but there aren't any decent plugins available for it from the Hardy repositories. You can use the Launchpad PPA's though. What I did is install Ubuntu Tweak as that can easily manage third-party repositories, and used that to add the PPA repository for Avant, so I could easily add lots more plugins. There's a great plugin for Exaile, for instance, that when you're playing an album, will replace the normal icon for Exaile with the album artwork. There's also a Stacks plugin, which can be handy.
@HonoredMule
I do agree with a lot you've said about Gnome - I'm actually by nature more of a KDE guy, but I've got Kubuntu on one computer and another is dual-booting Vista and Ubuntu, and lately I've found myself using the Ubuntu install because that computer is more powerful and faster. I'm still a lot more comfortable using KDE, as it's just far better suited to the way I work.
I am actually starting to use window managers rather than a full desktop more and more. IceWM is my favourite, and I do appreciate what you say about the Windows classic desktop which IceWM closely apes - it's simple and fast, and you always know where everything is. IceWM may not be pretty but it's probably the most productive desktop I've ever used. - srg13, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Trust me, you don't notice them at all - I've been using the pre-release Gnome for a few months, and I didn't realise it had tabs until I happened to see the New Tab entry in the File menu...
- reach4thelasers, on 09/26/2008, -3/+5Still looks antiquated
- AmazingAndrex, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2@giga:
The OS will be open sourced when Android launches. There's no reason it's not possible, officially or unofficially. - gamelord12, on 09/26/2008, -2/+4I would call BS on that. First off, you get the ease of updating through something like synaptic's repository system. Second, you make sure it's officially supported by waiting. Third, one of the main reasons Ubuntu exists is to be regularly updated every 6 months, shortly after the updates of X and GNOME. This is still leaps and bounds better than buying a $130 service pack from Apple every 18 months or waiting every few years for an update from Microsoft.
- nickpick, on 09/26/2008, -0/+2Ahh... I see. Thanks!
- HonoredMule, on 09/26/2008, -1/+3@Matthew Daly: That's not bad for what you have to work with, but you can't fix the softened, cartoony shaped and sized widgets, borders, toolbars, or icons. That's hard-coded into Gnome. For all it's subjective attractiveness (if you like the equivalent of Web 2.0 as your desktop), that desktop is neither attractive-looking nor efficient/productive. It is coherent though...so coherent that it lacks any distinctiveness. At a glance, any particular GUI element or icon looks like nothing more important than another insignificant brush stroke in the collage of black and blue. Even the bright orange VLC cone looks washed out and relatively non-distinct despite being so freakishly huge (like all the icons) that it takes up roughly 1/27th of the width of your screen. Is it just a really small screen, like a 17" widescreen?
Gnome represents the epitome of focus on presentation to the complete ignoring of content. Add to that the oversimplification of the environment and oversized GUI elements, and you can never take the Fisher Price out of the Gnome.
I consider a desktop like my own (Windows classic with flattened, light charcoal grey base) far more useful because the colorful CONTENT pops, not the CONTAINER which is just an unchanging (and therefore quickly and easily spatially memorized) portal to the content, and not the actual focus of my attention.
...love Farscape by the way. :-) - Keithamus, on 09/26/2008, -1/+3Thankyou, Elranzer, for stating the truth. I dare anyone to try and say otherwise...
Go on... try it. - HonoredMule, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1Hooray for displacing Pidgin.
- Keithamus, on 09/26/2008, -1/+2Epiphany well and truely sucks. It doesn't even have automatic url completion (i.e ctrl+enter to add www. and .com to your entry)
- nickpick, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1QFT!
- saftaplan, on 09/26/2008, -1/+2Tabs in Nautilus are *****. Dare I say, tabs in Firefox or any other application are *****. Tabs shouldn't be reimplemented over and over, they should be implemented in the window manager, where they belong. That way, they are always at the same and correct place and they'll always behave the same, and are supported in each and every app.
Please, implement it in Metacity and Compiz, not Nautilus. - TehDoctor, on 09/26/2008, -1/+2Yeah, unfortunately we're getting dugg down by Gnome fans who can't take sharp criticism.
It's true though: the icons are cartoony and color scheme consists of drab and/or "washed-out" colors, like pea-soup green for the music icon. I know theming in Linux is simple but if you want to attract new users, you need to compete aesthetically, and that means vibrant, high-quality, and possibly photo-realistic themes by default. - TeacherOfHeroes, on 09/26/2008, -0/+1You know, thats just the default theme; they're choosing a conservative-looking default intentionally. If you really want to, you can make it look as "1337" as you like.
- nickpick, on 09/27/2008, -0/+1Thanks, that really helped. Perfectly makes sense now. :)
- MattBD, on 09/26/2008, -1/+2Gnome can be very easily made to look amazing - check out my desktop in Ubuntu:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EklDeKNfX48/SNKlr6ttdGI/ ...
A little judicious use of Compiz and Avant Window Navigator and you can easily get something amazing. -
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