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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+68Adobe, open the Flash plug-in. You won't regret that.
Even with some ***** licence. - JasonCox, on 10/10/2007, -1/+32Adobe, for the love of god, give us a 64bit Flash for ALL operating systems!!
- NtrmDscrptr, on 10/10/2007, -4/+35Closed source software like flash and the nvidia drivers are the only crashy components of my Ubuntu machine.
It really highlights how poor a development model the closed approach is. If these components were open, these crash bugs would be fixed practically overnight. - hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -4/+34OMG NOW CAN I USE FLASH ON UBUNTU 64-BIT, RIGHT?!
RIGHT?!
....
Seriously, Flash sucks, and for as big of a company as Macromedia was, and Adobe is, the fact that they do not have a 64-bit version of Flash player is appalling. It's bad enough that it took them as long as it did to go "sort of" cross-platform. At this point, I should be able to install Adobe Flash on any major computing platform. Their lack of willingness to adapt even limits things like the Wii and iPhone, which are limited in what types of Flash content they can play.
Adobe should be absolutely ashamed of the piss-poor effort they've made with the Flash platform. It's a rare day that I cheer for anything Microsoft does, but I hope that Silverlight starts gaining some traction, if for no other reason than to light a fire under Adobe's ass and at least make their Flash Player truly cross-platform (and in a perfect world, open-source since they clearly can't be counted on to properly support their product).
P.S. Yes I am aware that you can run Firefox in 32-bit mode in 64-bit Linux as a workaround. Yes I currently do that. No I do not consider it a proper, or even very adequate solution. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2764bit???
- z0mbie2099, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19Awesome to see they keep Linux in the lime light in their developments.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+16WTF? Try Linux again dude, you won't regret it. Those questions have been solved years ago now.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Doesn't work with Opera or Konqueror.
Forks fine with Firefox. - eean, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Well I'm not sure what Gutsy does, but its pretty easy to run 32-bit Flash in a 64-bit Firefox. Just use nspluginwrapper.
- Spr0k3t, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14Wonder if we will see this update before the Gutsy release? That said, installation of Flash9 on 64bit Firefox is awesome in Gutsy. Definitely something they got right.
- TechCF, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Damn, either someone learn me to code so I can fix Gnash (will probably take some time) or Adobe HIRE SOME GOOD CODERS!
64 bit was here 3 years ago! - vuke69, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13More like moon light, but whatever. Wake me when they can be bothered to spend 10 minutes and compile for x86_64.
- mooninite, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Not only is the fact that no 64-bit is disgusting, but the listed changelog is the same as the previous version. What really changed?
- geoffp, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14Props to Adobe for the respect, but they should still offer at least passive assistance to the Gnash project. Once there's an open implementation of Flash, I'll feel a lot less squeamish about putting it on web sites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash - jjb123, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11And where is the 64 bit version?!?
- beatryder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10I have never experienced any of those issues using any version of flash9
- braydonf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Flash isn't available in a 64-bit version for Windows either.
- mithrasinvictus, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8They should have taken that feature out, now that MS is trying to compete with them it just doesn't make sense anymore.
- sn0w, on 10/10/2007, -2/+10Flash Player 9 for Linux came out of beta in January. This is an update, not a new beta release.
- hyperair, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8I'm using Ubuntu Gutsy and I honestly have never seen a problem with the sound card locking since the time of Ubuntu Edgy which was approximately a year ago. I could pretty much play music AND watch youtube movies with sound at the same time.
- zerblat, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Actually, it's usually the other way around. By not having an open specification and an open-source reference implementation, they are forcing anyone who wants to implement Flash support to start from scratch and using reverse engineering.
If Adobes Flash player were open, Gnash and swfdec would most likely be based on the same code base and the divergence and incompatibility would be much smaller. Also, IME, open source projects are much better at being compatible and implementing standards than proprietary software is. Just compare Firefox and IE, or Inkscape with any proprietary app that can edit SVG. There's typically much less incentive for open-source software to add incompatible features or break standards in other ways in order to create lock-in -- the way that proprietary software often does. - braydonf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Gnu Flash Player, aka Gnash, is a Free Software Flash player under heavy development, and considered on of the FSFs high priority projects. It's licensed under the Gnu GPL v3, and will thus compatible with Gnu/Linux systems, as well as Firefox, meaning that it can be combined with any GPL software :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash
- MasteRR, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Does it still crash Firefox every 5 minutes?
- fucter, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8yes
- hexydes, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Uhm, aside from what init said, also because the 1% Linux community supports about 99% of the rest of the computing world in some faculty (either by helping family and friends, all the way up to corporate IT managers). The Linux community may be small in numbers, but its members' decisions are extremely influential in the computer industry.
- durandal2005, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Unfortunately, I don't think Adobe can do that, since some of the code is licensed to them from other companies. But I'm sure they've considered it.
- pete83, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7The right click menu now appears to be a native GTK menu. This is so much slicker.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Flash 9 is 64bit? What have you been smoking?
Are you sure you're not running 32bit Firefox? - braydonf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnash
- jussipupu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I too looked first for something that would run with AMD 64 first thing. They're a bunch of butt-munchkins for not doing a 64 bit version. I'm off to click bury on this one.
- braydonf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Not only that, but by allowing people to share, study, improve, adapt the software, you end up even more compatibility. For example, the Gnu Flash Player, is the only one that supports 64bit, and it runs more efficiently on Gnu/Linux systems than the Adobe's non-free version. Also the Gnu Flash Player will support an even wider array of video and audio formats, making it even better at supporting standards.
- braydonf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Please help support the Gnu Flash Player. They have a 64bit version, and working on improving it. :)
- mooninite, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7Too bad nspluginwrapper is UNSTABLE and will not run Flash 9 worth crap. Try *USING* Flash 9 on YouTube, Flash 9 games, etc. before saying "oh ya just use nspluginwrapper lol"
I've always had to run 32-bit Firefox on my 64-bit Fedora. Ridiculous. - aaronm67, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Have you ever heard of the Core 2 Duo?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_2_duo
"The Core 2 brand refers to a range of Intel's consumer dual-core and quad-core (2x2) 64-bit x86-64 CPUs" - sancho, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The Core2Duo has the 64-bit extensions, however it runs just fine in 32-bit mode (both cores, even.)
- dtfinch, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I really hope it fixes the freezes. Maybe I can finally take the "killall -9" firefox/epiphany/galeon/konqueror shortcuts off of my gnome panel.
- braydonf, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5I agree. The Gnash project needs support. C, C++ coder's header over the http://gnashdev.org, they have funding by RedHat now, I believe.
- linkinpark342, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4nspluginwrapper not ndiswrapper. one is for plugins and one is for network cards.
As for me, in 64bit gutsy (after that little trist when it didn't want to install and i had to do it manually) it has been working mostly. The gutsy deb package also (attempts to, as i said i did it manually) installs the wrapped plugin into the firefox directory. If anyone could comment if the new versions install itself that would be cool.
Point of this post: Flash 9 on 64bit is 97% fine. it might halt up once-a-week (given gigantic amounts of flash usage that i do) but the fix is just to reopen the tab. not even restart firefox.
P.S. I officially hate digg's "new line" feature in comments - arjie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4:) But shouldn't that be firefox-bin?
- Kickboy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I find it odd that they boast new "Faster rendering of vector graphics on multi-core CPUs", and yet they have no 64-bit support on linux. I can't remember ever seeing a 32-bit dual core CPU on the market, so how are we suppose to use this new feature without 64-bit support?
- stmiller, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4The actual response and feedback from the Linux flash devs are in the comments and such all over their blog:
http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/
Basically they say, 'it's too hard!'
*Waaahhh!*
Meanwhile, the Gnash team of volunteers code flash for 64bit in their spare time... - codyman, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Yeah I like using Windows XP x64 (I use it as my day to day os - dual boot into *nix for messing around).... its a stable OS now, but I wish I could run a firefox x64 build as my day-to-day browser BUT flash is holding me back...
This new beta seems to be running well though one Firefox 3.0a9 build (9-29-07) using a test h264 flash stream... I have an older amd64 with a craptacular geforce4 graphics chip (it's a laptop...) but the computer played the video like a champ (didn't stutter - loaded fast - didn't crash - didn't cause the graphics fan to even kick on...) - sumdog, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4 had a dual AthlonXP only two years ago. You don't need to be 64-bit to support SMP. Dual Core is the same as SMP, it's just that you place both procs on a single chip instead of two.
- jessejoedotcom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Click bug is fixed for me. I can finally use it.
- fr34k5h0w, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Do you really need to promote it on every comment? Just curious.
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4If you had skipped the "[2]", you would have been correct. The Core Duo was a multicore 32-bit processor. The Core 2 is a 64-bit processor, but just like Athlon 64 it can run 32-bit software just fine.
- schestowitz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Great! More proprietary codecs. :-( Just what the world does not need.
This also reduces the chances of ever going open source. Just look at codecs in Moonlight. - mauriceh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Adobe response on 64 bit request, circ 2006, still no change:
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?ext ... - TechCF, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This at least gave me flash on my 64 bit platform. Good stuff, but eats cpu time.
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