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- HerbertScrunge, on 10/17/2007, -2/+63"What is the purpose of replacing the best file manager (among all operating systems) with a malfunctioning, beta-release, Nautilus clone?"
Many people thoroughly despise Konqueror, mainly because it's separation of Web and File Manager settings leaves much to be desired. Stating that it's the "best file manager (among all operating systems)" is dubious, at best (although I personally think it is :)). I've heard many people cite Konqueror as the sole reason for not switching to KDE.
"Wouldn't it make more sense to keep konqueror as the main file manager for KDE 3.5.7 and make Dolphin the default one on KDE4, or when it is ready?"
As far as I'm aware, this is precisely what is happening. Have the KDE team replaced Konqueror with Dolphin in 3.5.7? This would be a big change and a foolish one, especially as KDE3 Dolphin was abandoned *months* ago.
"At this point Dolphin has absolutely nothing to offer. It can't even cut/paste properly, should it be even included in a stable KDE release?"
I'm pretty sure the KDE4 version can copy and paste.
"It doesn't seem to be able to do half of the things that Konqueror can"
Yes, this is precisely the point - Dolphin is intended to be a *file manager*, not a swiss army knife. - FlyCO, on 10/14/2007, -0/+36Am I the only one who pictured giant sea monsters fighting? Damn title
- inactive, on 10/13/2007, -7/+42Not worth reading.
- whataboutdave, on 10/14/2007, -5/+29"I've heard many people cite Konqueror as the sole reason for not switching to KDE."
I'm one of those people. - stmiller, on 10/13/2007, -1/+21You can use which one you like. Dolphin just adds another option.
- serend, on 10/14/2007, -0/+19Where is Thunar?
- HonestAbe, on 10/11/2007, -1/+20Ripping CDs? Browsing the web? Is this a file manager or an OS?
Why can't they just focus on doing one thing well and integrating that one thing well with all the other things? Why can't I preview images in GNOME's "Open" dialog, for instance? - martalli, on 10/10/2007, -1/+16Maybe this impression of dolphin being the default kde 3.5.7 file manager comes from the fact that kubuntu 7.10 is bundling dolphin as their default file manager. Maybe this is to ease the transition to kde4 later, or with the 8.04 release.
- daftman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Actually I like Konqueror, especially when I'm reading many documents at the same time in different folders and like to check the web for reference. To me this saves time from open up different apps to do simple things with the files.
- techweenie1, on 10/13/2007, -1/+11god is that KDE theme fugly.
- HerbertScrunge, on 10/14/2007, -1/+11"Why can't they just focus on doing one thing well and integrating that one thing well with all the other things? "
That's basically precisely what happens with Konqueror: Konqueror's webbrowser comes from the KHTML KPart in kdelibs which is also used by various other apps including KMail and Akrekator. The web browser settings available from the Settings menu (proxy, cache, etc) are system-wide settings pertaining to kio_html, which again is used throughout KDE and seamlessly embedded. The CD-ripping comes from one of the kio_slaves or KParts that is used in the standalone KDE CD-ripper. All the kio_slaves are also either stored in kdelibs and used by other apps or installed alongside other apps that use them. The SVN and CVS modes simply embed standalone apps such as kdesvn and Cervisia.
Konqueror itself is really a surprisingly small app: approx 40k lines of code. Not tiny, by any stretch of the imagination, but way, way smaller than people seem to think it is. Konqueror does indeed do one thing: it embeds other apps, in a similar way that bash is neither a webbrowser or a file manager but becomes one when you install lynx and the standard cp, mv, rm etc Unix utils.
"Why can't I preview images in GNOME's "Open" dialog, for instance?"
I have no idea what this has to do with Konqueror :) - superyounan1, on 10/13/2007, -1/+10Konquerer kinda makes me feel like I'm playing Sonic on my old genesis: there are sooooo many nooks and crannies to explore, but getting to everything can get obsessive and time consuming, but if I don't I feel like I'm missing something really cool or important.
with nautilus I can breathe easier, I see all the options right there, and I don't need to investigate and study up to make sure I'm not missing something cool.
and too many bells and whistles get claustrophobic - spartan777, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9i thought this would be a worthwhile comparison. it started out alright, but quickly became a one-sided konqerror commercial.
- slickfire, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12I second that
- DarkDx, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11Me too
- Neiby, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Same here. I tried PCLinuxOS for a couple of months and I very quickly learned that I hated Konqueror and replaced it with Dolphin.
- vh1`, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8stop thinking of konqueror as just a file manager
it's a KPart / KIOSlave viewer
also, the audiocd:/ KIOSlave is a brilliant little trick for easy ripping of your CDs to various formats - SteveMax, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8The GTK file selector is the worst thing to have ever crawled out of any programmers' keyboard on this planet. Yes, even worse than Windows ME. Even worse than the Atari ET game. They really should just delete every single reference to it, and reprogram from scratch.
- Altotus, on 10/14/2007, -0/+6I don't think that konqueror is out of line with the basic UNIX philosophy of doing one thing and doing it well. After all, a terminal app is very small and basic, yet wields the most versatile environment there is for configuring the system, manipulating files, etc. Of course, it's not the terminal itself, it's simply a framework in which one utilizes the multitude other little apps that do one thing and one thing well.
That's what Konqueror is. It's the shell (and a very petite one at that) and the KIOSlaves and KParts are the programs that do one thing and one thing well. The drag-and-drop between them is little more than a pipe.
Like the command-line, though, Konqueror can be complex -- and for precisely the same reason. It's very versatile. I very much like Konqueror and find the Mac Finder and Windows Explorer annoyingly limited in features by comparison (though Vista's borrowed quite a few of the local filemanagement features from Konq). Why should there be a distinction between tracks on a CD and files on disk? If I see previews of pictures, why not text files, PDFs, even audio file (mouse over to preview?). Why a separate app for dealing with files over WebDAV, SFTP, CVS, or Subversion -- shouldn't you be able to check in and out by dragging things in and out?
Konqueror is quite unique. I can see how it's difficult for some folks to grasp, though. Descending into zip files as if they were folders instead of using another app to open them, for example, was a feature that through one of my colleagues for a loop. - netnifty, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6Don't forget videodvd:/ , lets you do a copy of any DVD, silently removing any copy protection.
- xipietotec, on 10/13/2007, -1/+6I use gnome and PCman File manager. Super-fast, very light weight, nautilus-like, and has tabs and bookmarks. No nautilus scripts though, which IMHO is the sole reason to use nautilus, although some of the more common functionalities enabled by nautilus scripts are already in there.
- Avian00, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Agreed. It tries to do SO many things that it fails at just being a great file manager.
- Dankoozy, on 10/13/2007, -8/+13Konqueror is awful & very slow/bloated. they should take the file manager part out of it and make it just a web browser. dolphin wasn't bad the last time I used it just needs a bit of work
- zeebo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Its not "Gnome's" file open dialog, its GTKs. Nautilus's thumbnailing solution is too far up the stack to be used in it or you'd have straight GTK apps depending on Gnome. Fortunately that is being worked on. After all GTK is still the Gimp Toolkit, and the Gimp is pretty image-centric so image thumbnails in the file open dialog would be pretty handy (the gimp already does have a solution for that used in other GTK image apps). Hopefully this will be a part of the fairly major UI overhaul that its receiving.
- adgreene, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I love using fish:// to manipulate files on other computers. Konqueror rocks.
- jonesin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I will only use a manager that has tabs. Why would they remove useful features such as this from the new Dolphin manager??
- Agret, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Agreed, GTK file dialog is what stops me from using Gnome.
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5What, is nobody going to say "xterm is my favorite file manager"?
- ropers, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Yes.
And that's because the author used a non-default theme/skin that's a rip-off of everything that *used to be* wrong about the Mac OS X interface **cough** brushed metal **cough**. - Agret, on 10/13/2007, -1/+5No, because "one good default app" is subjective between users. You think all OSX users like Finder? Arghhhh
- HonestAbe, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4ssh://?
smb://? - HonoredMule, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4I actully use KDE anyway, but never Konqueror. It's a sledgehammer with a extra splinters in the handle that makes Explorer.exe look like a gossamer-winged pixie.
I very eagerly anticipate Dolphin, desperately hoping it will let me view and move files and folders some time within the vicinity of when I decided I wanted to do so. - heavyal, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Amen!
- DomZy, on 10/14/2007, -2/+6Personally I use Gnome, but with Thunar. Nice and light, opens instantly and does what I need it to:
http://thunar.xfce.org/index.html - Vektuz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4I actually don't like file managers that can also browse the internet.
Stop getting internets into my file systems!
A file manager's purpose is to deal with, locate, and work with files. Thats it. - SteveMax, on 10/14/2007, -0/+3They are split. Konqueror only offers one access to them; other programs can give you different access routes to one/all of them. KAudioCreator for instance is basically a audiocd:/ frontend.
- zeebo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I did too, then he brought up Konqueror as having a side pane tree view and location bar without mentioning that in nautilus's file browser mode you're two clicks from getting that same behavior and having it remembered in the future. Not to mention Nautilus's ability to use ssh for browsing remote file systems, or nautilus's ability to burn data discs. As for why I'd want to rip and burn cds from nautilus I don't know. It seems more logical to initiate that sort of task from inside the music player.
Really the problem here is that in Gnome the functionality of Konqueror is spread across several different applications to avoid the 'kitchen sink' ideology that konqueror embodies. Its great that KIOSlaves exist to do everything under the sun, but does all that really need to be exposed via the file manager? - priegog, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4ditto
- Ademan, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3"Nautilus cannot browse the internet.
Dolphin cannot even cut & paste properly."
CLEARLY AN INTENDED FEATURE! *cough* It's not like it could be a bug...could it?
And besides Unix has a long history of specialized programs that "do one thing and do it well" rather than having a single monolithic program. With KParts and KIO i don't think it's fair to call konqueror monolithic, but my point is really just that any program being the jack of all trades is pretty against the unix philosophy (of course, blindly following a philisophy is dumb anyways) - HerbertScrunge, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3He's referring to "Breadcrumbs", which KDE3 Konqueror does not have, but KDE4 Konqueror either does oris intended to have.
Also, I find it amusing that you interpreted the article as an anti-Konqueror rant, while someone else wrote this comment:
"Great, so you like Konquerer. When you can post an unbiased article, you may actually receive some respect from people looking for a good comparison." - Ademan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Pretty bad reason not to use konqueror... I don't use it because it feels needlessly complex (also i hate the way Qt apps look, which is an equally poor reason) But I guess the main thing here is you shouldn't be viewing Konqueror as a file manager, but instead as a shell, like altotus said. The beauty is that through data abstraction the line between actual "physical" files on disk, and data residing elsewhere, or even other things (for instance you could write a mysql database KIOslave and view databases as if they were "files")
- Stonekeeper, on 10/17/2007, -1/+4I'd really like if these cool things were split and repackaged. The UNIX philosophy is one tool for one job. I kinda like that.
- oobuntu, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I've been using Dolphin as file manager since i heard about it a few months ago. It's lighter than Konqueror and does what i want it to. I use firefox for web and Kftpgrabber for ftp gui. Although I just discovered how nicely Konqueror renders man pages, so I'll use it for that maybe.
The point is, a lot of people want a light file manager and i'm glad it is here. - Xiol, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I think the problem is that it should default to looking simple, and then give you the customization options to make it how you want it.
Konq really needs a menu entry... "Basic View" and "Advanced View". Basic would be like Nautilus, Advance like it is now.
(I'm not saying Nautilus is basic, just that the UI is simple and easy to use.) - lengau, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3So I gather you're all switching to KDE at the 4.1 release, then?
- SteveMax, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3They are exposed via every application on the system. Konqueror is just a more convenient way to access it: since KIOSlaves go with the "everything is a file" philosophy, a file manager is the most logical connection. It doesn't stop you from using fish directly in Kate, for instance.
- neko, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Not sure if my original comment got posted, so I'll just sum it up: Stop truncating file names with those ***** "..."s!
- Axed33, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The author seems to miss the point - the whole problem with Konqueror is that it tries to do too many things, and ends up doing most of them poorly. A proper dedicated tool with one specific purpose is always going to do the job better than something that tries to do everything.
You don't use a swiss army knife to carve a roast... - marklarznexyne, on 10/13/2007, -0/+3What, no love for the gnu tools or mc?
- ajcates, on 01/20/2009, -0/+2I like Konqueror for split view, I can browse 2 differnt ftp sites and switch files between them, I hardly ever use the web browser, as Firefox is simply better. I think they should just split up the browser and the web browser to differnt apps.
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