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- Daisuke, on 10/12/2007, -21/+154Jesus ***** Christ! This is what I've been waiting for!
Excuse my enthusiasm, but those who use both Windows and Linux will doubtlessly feel the same way. :D - corevette, on 10/12/2007, -11/+74Your enthusiams is greatly encouraged. Please keep it up. Good word use in the first sentence by the way.
- Unicron, on 10/12/2007, -2/+33Yeah my grandma has been saying for ages: Damn it, if Linux only had NTFS read/write support in kernel I'd switch...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+30Great. I want to see this in kernel!
- zyrotin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+30I have no knowledge of programing and must rely on the kindness of strangers.
- hitchhacker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+24Look at the driver filename:
http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfs-3g-20070714-BETA.tgz
2007?!?! IT'S FROM THE FUTURE! OMG! - NeilM, on 10/12/2007, -1/+25I hope something like this is reliable. I'd hate to lose massive quantities of data (even if I do have it all backed up).
- KAMiKAZOW, on 10/12/2007, -2/+25The Linux-NTFS devs are being hired by Apple for a Mac port. It will be part of 10.5 Leopard. See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.file-systems.ntfs.devel/2597
- ddrirc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24About time. This is really great, but I wish this dude would have done it years ago.
/ not complaining -- this rocks. - barbobot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23ext2 has been around since 1993, and yet theres no native support on windows.
- TheWriteGuy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+22Wow. This is a significant turn in Linux history. Hopefully the reliability of this driver will be thoroughly tested and vetted out over the next few months, and then we'll see it incorporated into the popular distros. Good job to the developer!
- optikschmoptik, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21yes, but the author says on his site...
"Please note that I'm leaving for an over 5,000 km long Far North and Arctic
Ocean advanture [sic] on Sunday morning (European time) and won't be able to read
and answer emails for almost a month (no, I'm not escaping, I plan to come
back alive ;). Originally I planned to fix all the minor issues listed below
but no more time left for me and I think it's better to release now[...]"
I'm psyched that this utility has been developed, but maybe not /so/ psyched that I would want to put it on my primary system while the writer---the one guy who really knows it---is out at sea(!). Especially when there are still, admittedly minor 'issues'. But I'm sure there are plenty of brave diggers who will backup their systems and take this for a spin, right? Let me know how it goes. - gortiswatching, on 10/12/2007, -3/+20Does anyone hear that sound?? Linux is sucking users away from Microsoft
- wallclimber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17"Does anyone hear that sound?? Linux is sucking users away from Microsoft"
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Yup, like a fuel-injected vacuum cleaner, on high speed...
It was my understanding that the NTFS was encumbered by patents, which was why this took so long to happen. Which makes this even more amazing. I'm cheering! Now that it's started, it'll just keep getting better.
We live in very exciting times. History in the making. - zyrotin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17How long until this can be ported to OSX?
Being unable to write to the XP side of my system from the Mac side is really annoying. - amasiancrasian, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I've been waiting for this eagerly too (and with some luck OS X soon) so I can ditch Windows for my external hard drive that I share at work. Say no to undocumented proprietary filesystem formats.
- JDines, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14"Excuse my enthusiasm, but those who use both Windows and Linux will doubtlessly feel the same way. :D"
I was kind of psyched until I discovered it won't help me out, yet ... From the ntfs-3g website: "Why doesn't the driver work on 64-bit and bigendian systems?"
Those with 64 bit systems should not waste their time with this. Just a heads up for the masses, as this is literally the *LAST* thing mentioned on the website. It further says this is considered a low priority issue, since they don't have 64 bit hardware or personell willing to deal with it on their team :-(
Too bad he is leaving for a month. I would happily handle the task of making is crossplatform .... - barbobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12kodek, the reason i brought it up (and i know the parent was a joke) I'm just sick of hearing people say "linux, freebsd, or x operating system doesnt work like windows, I can't ever use it"
and there is a windows driver to use ext2, its just annoying that its not native. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12This in kernel isn't a good idea at this time, read the bottom of the article where the dev explains this.
- eean, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10And break everyone's partitions?
Vista was supposed to have a nifty new FS, but it was one of the many features to be taken out. :) - cownoid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Wow, brilliant, I guess the hell froze over and I think I just saw a pig fly by.
In the mean time I will use ext2/3 as a staging/sharing FS between windows and Linux.
Using the great ext2/3 drivers for windows - http://www.fs-driver.org/ - bubba9999, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13
Your grandma is way cool. I wish mine were more like that, instead of just dead. - sirber, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9ext2 / 3 works under 2000/XP
http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ext2ifs.htm - RealityBender, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9The reason it took so long, and perhaps the one good thing about ntfs is the redundancy.
When a file corrupted the meta data or redundant data is used to restore file.
When a file is delete the meta data must be change if not the file get restored.
If you try to change a file without the complete knowledge of the file system and redundant data. it will return to the previous state - fairyliquidizer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Let's hope Microsoft doesn't release a new version of NTFS with Vista now!
- ferrix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Well they were going to release WinFS but apparently we don't have to worry about *that* any more =P
Edit: Woops didn't see eean's comment before posting. Feel free to thumbs-down this. - xose, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Cool! We're getting there! It still has some issues, as alredy noted on the mailing list, so I'm gonna keep FAT32 for a while until this one gets tested enough. Good work though!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6At last the people which use both linux and Windows in their homes, will have only one repository for movies, music, and videos without having sparse entertainment data on both OS's. This is a great news for developers wich like to switch from one architecture to another without loosing their filesystem. The files are there for everyone in your wireless network, and you won't care if your peers use windows or linux, they will be fine reading and writting files in one single repository. No more virtual machines, no more samba, this is great!!!!
- dboyer, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8I can't tell if you're serious or if thats a really weak troll.
http://www.fs-driver.org/ is at least one example of a native windows driver. - lyzz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6The time was due to Microsoft not releasing specifications once again. Please don't blame anyone but them for the time it took.
- webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@amasiancrasian - You have seriously no sense of humour.
- shinaku, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7You forgot to mention ubuntu. It needs Ubuntu in it to be front-page material ;)
- xbmodder, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9Can you please add something to this, saying that Apple is not allowed to integrate the source, and no one is allowed to distrubute this as a binary driver for a closed source operating system? I hate OS X with a passion because they claim they are so Pro-Opensource but -- yeah, they aren't...
Also if this driver incorporates permissions -- hopefully we can make our / ntfs (share it)
What about winFS, that'll destroy this, or is that just an extension? - gortiswatching, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Kick ass!!! Can't wait till everyone jumps on board and testing is increased... I'm going to load this puppy up asap... It would be great to slap into a live boot
- webcrumb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well, people do say Linux is the OS of the future... now we have proof. :)
- GraceMolloy, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Fantastic! Apple needs to get looking at this pronto.
- eean, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Erm, see the link http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.file-systems.ntfs.devel/2597 provided earlier. Seems like if the code is dual licensed or licensed as BSD then a common code base will be possible.
Heh, when is WinFS coming out? - Snay, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This is absoloutely excellent. The uses for this are excellent. I cant wait for a live cd with read/write support. Will make cleaning other peoples computers easier, once a windows virus scanner can be run from linux.
However the title should have been:
Amazing NTFS-!!! read / write support for!! Amazing Linux!!! - niggs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5This driver has been in the kernel for years. It's been experimental but non the less.
Or am I wrong? - TriPhoenix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4In addition to that (the need for windows drivers and thus a valid windows license) captive NTFS at least on my boxes always was slow as hell. It's okay for transferring a few megabytes but gets painful if you go more in the direction of terabytes.
- niggs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=driver :
"In 2001, Anton started from scratch and created the new NTFS driver. It was added to the Linux kernel in April 2002 (2.5.11). He has been helped by Richard Russon and others." - kodek, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11'ext2 has been around since 1993, and yet theres no native support on windows."
That's because there's no big demand for it. Remember that Windows is a commercial OS, and time = money. If there's no big demand for a feature, then why would Microsoft waste their time and resources implementing it. It's not like they couldn't. I bet ext2 is a hundred times more documented publicly than NTFS. - barbobot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"ever try and restore a deleted file from ext3? No thanks, you can keep your ext3."
ever try and be responsible with your data? - chucker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"What about winFS, that'll destroy this, or is that just an extension?"
WinFS got cancelled, and it never was a file system; it was a layer on top of NTFS.
However, Microsoft usually adds NTFS features with every major Windows release. - Alex2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Captive NTFS uses windows drivers to do the work (last time I checked), which is why you need a couple of .sys files available to Captive.
- pauldonnelly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5@JDines:
No, he meant that GPLed code can't be included in BSD due to their licensing, so they'll need to rewrite it from scratch. - phatsphere, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4i'm waiting for some third party test results ;)
- noof, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3To bad he didn't extend the original ntfsmount (http://wiki.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsmount). I'd rather see one, great driver than two competitive.
- The_Decryptor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"Vista was supposed to have a nifty new FS, but it was one of the many features to be taken out"
WinFS (Windows Future Storage) ran on top of NTFS, and they might introduce some new features to NTFS, they have done that with previous NT releases. - chucker, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"NTFS does not have the metadata capabilities of a real filesystem."
Oh, so NTFS isn't "a real filesystem"? Learn something new every day.
*bangs head against wall* -
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