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- mallow005, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23ha ha... ha. Windows' usability, good one!
Oh, and driver support isn't a Windows thing, it's a vendor thing.
As for TFA, I don't understand what MS Office-to-OO.o support means and it isn't explained in the article. Does it mean that it automatically tries to convert all MS documents to OO documents? Does it have some kind of magical algorithm for better translation from MS Office to OO? *shrug* - mallow005, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16"Linux" doesn't try to do anything, "Linux" isn't an entity that goes around trying to make it easier for people to adopt it. This is some company that is *selling* software for people who want to switch.
By the way, if you don't want to read any documentation, try using Mandrake/diva or Suse. Oh, and I guess Windows doesn't require any reading, is completely intuitive, does what you want all the time, and is never a source of frustration. Ok. - SimonGray, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12["'Linux' doesn't try to do anything, 'Linux' isn't an entity that goes around trying to make it easier for people to adopt it."
Why then, is Linux attempting to gain desktop acceptance?]
I think you missed the point... - Llan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11You're not telling me MS Word is easy to use, are you? I do my stuff in LaTeX, but Word brings me to the brink of madness each time I have to do even simple things.
- somerandomnerd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10The thing you need to bear in mind (assuming you're not trolling) is the fundamental difference between Linux developers and Microsoft; the Cathedral and the Bazaar thing;
Microsoft want to sell licences for Microsoft software. That's their goal.
Linux developers want to make good software. That's their goal.
That means that Microsoft are chasing market share- it's their entire raison d'etre- but Linux developers aren't.
Microsoft see Linux as a competitor (as they can take their market share, and therefore their revenue), but Linux isn't competing with Microsoft. The Linux community (users, developers, support networks etc.) doesn't *directly* benefit from greater market share. (Although there are benefits, but in fact, sometimes- for example, when a FOSS product isn't ready for wide releases and is still in early beta stages, it can actually be a hindrance.)
In the same way, if I build a personal home page portal, just for me to use myself, with my favourite links, RSS feeds etc, but open it up so that anyone else can take advantage of my work and use it too, then I don't care if Google offers something similar. It doesn't affect me in the slightest.
On the other hand, if I do a good job of building it and it becomes popular, then Google would see me as a competitor. But if users of my service who need support to use my service move over, people with high (expensive) bandwidth needs find Google's faster, and vocal complainers who moan that my service is geared for me, rather than them move over, it might even be to my benefit if some users choose to use Googles service over my own. - Schpariel, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I fail to understand the humor of digg users.......
- Spanktacular, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3While I generally agree with you, I think you're missing a few pieces to the user acceptance puzzle. I'd like you to take a look at an Apple sometime. Famously simple to use, but not a whole lot of market share.
- Adross, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Absolutely, you hit the nail on the head there xiaoxi
- leeg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Does it also transfer Windows' superior usability and Driver support? "
This is indeed funny.Last week I installed SUSE SLED 10.1 on my 6 Month old Dell Inspiron 9400 (Core Duo). I had no driver issues at all, everything was automagically installed including the wireless & blue-tooth drivers! That has *NEVER* happened in the hundreds of Windows installs of laptops that I've completed. I'm no Linux fan-boy but come on get up to date. - i440, on 10/12/2007, -14/+15In an attempt to gain wide acceptance into desktop market, Linux attempts to provide only quality and expects that to be enough.
WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!
Software quality and acceptance are /unrelated/. It is completely optional (to a certain extent).
The ONLY thing that matters is compatability and ease of use. /Ease of use/, not efficiency. In other words, quick and efficient but user unfriendly will NOT work. It has to be in an extremely user friendly state so that anyone with a mouse and keyboard will instinctively know how to use it.
Again, compatability is VITAL. Linux must be able to everything Windows can, and just as well. If even a few things are missing, the end user will get frustrated that he can't do (what his friends who are using Windows and Mac OS X can) and dump it.
The need to read documentation is /unacceptable/. Generally, no documentation should be necessary AT ALL. The user interfaces must be self-explanitory in ALL aspects. The end user does not want to read instructions, he/she wants to be able to do EVERYTHING, and be able to do so the second they see the system up and running.
Why such an aggressive post? I don't know. (: - dsn0wman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Insignificant for me, but probably handy for the help desk guys migrating their entire office from Windows to Linux.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Who wants Linux to get a better share of the desktop market. A few disgruntled ex-/Windows users maybe but the core for Linux usage isn't really all that interested. You need to differentiate between projects within Linux. There are groups that care only about servers, there are others who care only about coding, there is also a group that wants a power user workstation. All these groups are bigger and do more development work than the desktop Linux people.
Hardware compatibility isn't a problem because a serious Linux user buys specific hardware. Software compatibility is not a problem because the sort of programs we haven't got are the sort of programs that are of little use to the average Linux user.
The desktop Linux movement is really very small. IBM pours hundreds of millions into Linux servers, Red Hat see a 40% increase in their share value every year in recent times. People ask why Novell are falling behind Red Hat more, its because Novell are trying to break the desktop market and Red Hat aren't. Linux holds the largest share of the Webserver market and is the fastest growing entity in the app server market.
I think Linux on the desktop will happen because eventually somebody will see the financial value in writing all that user friendly glue that the general Linux devs cannot be bothered with since it gets in the way. There are Linux distros where you don't have to use the CLI. They are smaller projects for a very good reason (Mepis has taken a very clever step basing their distro off Ubuntu though). - mrshiney, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Not a lot of detail on their site. From what I can tell, this is a glorified "files and settings transfer wizard". There is very little detail, for example, on HOW settings are migrated from Windows to Linux.
- yohan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Insignificant.
- vpisteve, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I love that story.
- luistux, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Makes me remember how much I hated working on windows for not being able to acomplish anything after using solely Linux for 3 years....
- i440, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1"While I generally agree with you, I think you're missing a few pieces to the user acceptance puzzle. I'd like you to take a look at an Apple sometime. Famously simple to use, but not a whole lot of market share."
Again, compatability is to blame: Mac OS X is only compatable with a small percentage of (relatively high cost) computer hardware. In addition, it cannot play the number of games many end users would like it to. Mac OS X is a high quality operating system, but remember that high quality doesn't seem to correspond with large marketshare. There are many other factors involved. - i440, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3"'Linux' doesn't try to do anything, 'Linux' isn't an entity that goes around trying to make it easier for people to adopt it."
Why then, is Linux attempting to gain desktop acceptance?
"but Word brings me to the brink of madness each time I have to do even simple things."
I'm sorry. I was able to use Word (and most Windows functionality) with little to no reading/assistance at all. LaTeX is a programming language and much, much more difficult to learn. - Atomic1fire, on 10/12/2007, -12/+1it means there gonna help the people who switch to open office
- snsr, on 10/12/2007, -17/+0sick.
- xiaoxi, on 10/12/2007, -19/+2
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