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- neko, on 10/12/2007, -4/+62Very interesting article, although the title of this digg isn't really accurate.
o_O Just imagine, "Three days or three plays!!! .....((or you could put linux on it and it will do whatever you want it to do))"
This was my favourite:
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I went to work before the appetizers were served at the opening supper by asking event organizer Nick White (whose business card describes him as "Product Manager, Windows Marketing Communications") why I should trust a company whose CEO consistently threatens to sue me and other Linux users over unspecified patent violations.
"That's history," Nick said. "We're trying to move forward."
"I was referring to some comments Steve Ballmer made just a week or two ago," I said.
"Well, that's not really anything I can comment on," he replied. "I'm a product marketing guy."
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Pure gold.- lyzz, on 10/12/2007, -58/+38Microsoft is still the same bunch of bastards they've always been. Talk is cheap. Open up your protocol specifications under a free license and then we'll listen.
- DiggMeUpPlsThx, on 10/12/2007, -46/+30Lyzz is still the same apple fanboy that he has always been. His talk is cheap. Give me an opinion from an open minded person and then I'll listen.
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -5/+9summary: 2 long full pages, and the author says all his hard questions get ***** answers... and he even says that he's on a NDA. nothing against the author, but he could have just said "Microsoft won't tell me anything, but they did give me a free zune."
- MikeSavior, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Says lyzz: Microsoft is still the same bunch of bastards they've always been. Talk is cheap. Open up your protocol specifications under a free license and then we'll listen.
I somewhat agree. At least, about the protocol stuff. MS certainly doesn't have good business practices, but I think it's very fair to support proprietary software, as long as accompanying formats and protocols are wide open and free for all. - lyzz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5@DiggMeUpPlsThx
Why do you think I'm an apple fanboy? I really try to call it like it is. Microsoft's abusive Monopoly is quite documented. I despise them for their lockout of competition. However, I praise them for their development suite and easy to use system management tools. - thelastknowngod, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3why would linux users (free and open and the user makes all the decisions) use something like the zune (the most drm locked down media player out there)?
honestly if they wanted to do drm stuff then fine... i dont care. but why not just throw in open codec support? it doesnt cost them anything... - DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2So MS should cripple their device's proprietary features in order to comply with some standard?
- Xilon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1"honestly if they wanted to do drm stuff then fine... i dont care. but why not just throw in open codec support? it doesnt cost them anything..."
That would be a good thing, no one would be able to bitch about it then! I'm sure Microsoft doesn't want a good reputation. - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"why would linux users (free and open and the user makes all the decisions) use something like the zune (the most drm locked down media player out there)?"
"something like the zune" often have great hardware capabilities, even if the software sucks. A small device with a decent processor, screen, capacity and wifi has geek potential written all over it. Linux could turn it into a portable web browser, an actual MP3 or Ogg player (capable of unlimited wifi sharing, no less), a portable movie player, a wardriving device, a rogue server, etc.
MS actually has a pretty good history of producing good hardware but shoddy software. MS mice are decent, the original xbox was a modder's dream, and theres no hardware reason the zune should automatically suck. - nofxjunkee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2so besides running linux on the device, there are other good things that developer can do with the zune. many linux users and developers believe one big aspect of linux is choice, and that choice includes using any mp3 player one wishes to use. if someone wants to use their zune with amarok, they should be able to do so and this dev might be able to help people do it.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -35/+20So if Microsoft were serious about this, they would sell blank Zune units that you could load an OS on.
This is just Microsoft trying to gain geek cred by throwing Linux owners a bone.- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36Straight from the damned if you do and damned if you don't society.
- SoCalChris, on 10/12/2007, -4/+13More like they tried giving him a freebie, he refused, and told them that the crowd he is in wouldn't be interested in it without Linux support for it, so they casually said to give it to someone who would work on that instead of him keeping it.
That's a big difference than MS wanting Linux put on it. - Phlag, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Yeah, because the average person who buys a Zune definitely wants to have to install and configure an OS before he can listen to MP3s.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Actually I was wrong to start with, the title is misleading - it's really Roblimo saying, he will give you the free Zune he got if you will do some kind of open source project related to it (not even necessarily Linux). So it's not even Microsoft throwing anyone a bone, just trying to convince Roblimo to have more positive feeling towards the Zune and Roblimo trying to see if he can draw any interest from the open source community in hacking it.
- krinthekuz, on 09/16/2008, -0/+7@phlag: lots of linux geeks get the iAudio x5 solely to put rockbox on it.
- raindogmx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"So if Microsoft were serious about this, they would sell blank Zune units that you could load an OS on."
every device should have this option: ipod, zune, camcorders, videogames, whatever... it would be pure bliss.
only a dream tho - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Rockbox is working hard to make that dream a reality. Unfortunately most firmwares use a lot of ASM so are difficult to port.
- Phlag, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@djlosch
I'm sure they do, but it would be a terrible business move for Microsoft to favor that incredibly tiny minority (relative to the entire MP3 market) and in turn give a massive inconvenience to the millions of other people who want nothing more than an MP3 player out of the box.
- I922sParkCir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+84Man, the Zune is decent hardware but has a crappy firmware.
If it ran Linux and I could do whatever I want with it (including syncing through wifi) I would see this a better than the iPod.- LanceHardenburg, on 10/12/2007, -38/+9Here come the mac fan boys to digg you down.
- Ramtech, on 10/12/2007, -6/+6seems there aiming a different group this time...
- dtd00d, on 10/12/2007, -6/+21Defeat the three plays/three days rule and Zune > iPod
And if with Linux, Zune = God - Ramtech, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2@LanceHardenburg
I don't own a mac nor do i care about who likes who or whats better than what...
but i dugg u down.. - ArnoldTPants, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I922sParkCir
"Man, the Zune is decent hardware but has a crappy firmware."
The reason I want a Zune to replace my ipod is because of the firmware. IMO the iPod firmware is *****. Five years ago it was great, now not so much. - skyshock21, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9@ ArnoldTPants
You ever try out Rockbox? Allows for gapless playback, supports more audio formats (.ogg, FLAC, WMV, etc..). It's MUCH nicer firmware I think than the POS Apple cripple-ware that they load on the iPods now. I have it on my 4G iPod Photo, and LOVE it. - evilTak, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I think you want http://www.nokia.com/770
- riah, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1I'd like to see what good use could be made of the wifi.
- jstevewhite, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5I agree; I would buy a Zune if it ran Linux, no question. Because I can't wait to have a baby-***** brown MP3 player. (kidding - I'd buy a black one). They seem like the hardware specs are sweet; I bet the wifi support in linux would allow sync and everything...
- DoubtfulSalmon, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7@LaurenceHardenburg:
I do own a mac (it's been five days now) and the facking thing is driving me nuts. I'm no fanboy, but I modded you down 'cos everyone else seems to be modding you down. - WarPirate, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7@doubtful salmon
Just like a macboi Following the leader...because its cool - metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Berl on the Zune!
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Ahhh, the 770.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What I mean is they aren't being as stupid as they were before. There's less outright FUD and some small co-operation. I don't believe we've seen the end of evil MS but they have moved slightly in that direction despite Balmers rhetoric which is more to protect his own ass after misleading his shareholders that they could beat Linux down the litigation path.
As for the RIAA, different story. Not really related.
//edit - god now I've gone and done it.// - LanceHardenburg, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1@DoubtfulSalmon
Thanks for having your own opinion and spelling my name correctly...
Ignorance is bliss I presume. - msgyrd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I dugg down LaurenceHardenburg because his comment was blatant trolling and unrelated to the comment he replied to. In fact, I digg down everyone who uses the word fanboy, regardless of who they're using it against. Its a stupid generalization that only serves to polarize the community.
- LanceHardenburg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I dugg down LaurenceHardenburg because his comment was blatant trolling and unrelated to the comment he replied to. In fact, I digg down everyone who uses the word fanboy, regardless of who they're using it against. Its a stupid generalization that only serves to polarize the community."
Right so what would you call that? Show me the part in that post that is related to the topic.
Hypocritical are we?
- Ninjab3ar, on 10/12/2007, -24/+6Sony tried to put linux in the PS3.
You know how well that turned out.......- nhaas, on 10/12/2007, -18/+6Yep Still in develpment you nut. you must be a WII fan right nut?
- coolspray, on 10/12/2007, -5/+25Reasonably well?
- Dunadan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I don't think he was referring to how well Linux worked on the PS3, but rather how the ability to run Linux on the PS3 didn't do too much to help sales. In other words he was suggesting that Linux won't save the Zune.
- kettlechips, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3PS3 hasn't had any sales problems, just supply problems.
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@GMorgan
Easing their attacks? They're trying to sue us (the devs AND users, a la the RIAA).
This should respond to the next thread. So sorry.
- boday, on 10/12/2007, -33/+3Microsoft is so desperate. The realize that the zune is crap
- DiggMeUpPlsThx, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26Microsoft will never be desperate, want to know why? Well for starters they can murder your whole family and your dog and get away with it.
- nhaas, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Well we would only wish this right? He must be an IPOD junky
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Yes, they are deperately adding several million square feet to their main campus as they are desperately trying to accomodate all of their desperate growth.
- Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2MS might not be amazing in the consumer electronics department, but they are kicking ass in the business sector with MS Dynamics...
:-)
say what you want, but IMO they are really making an effort to progress forward through the negative image that they have, and I think eventually they might make some good software...either that or force all other software makers to shut down thus completing the monopoly they have been working towards. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1They now realise a true monopoly is impossible given OSS. That's why they're easing up their attacks on Linux though they are still trying to contain it and obviously milk as much unearned money as possible out of it.
- tylerman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18zune has great potential, remember its version 1
The hardware just needs to be fine tuned a bit better and scaled down.
Great things inside the zune- wifi,proc,screen ..
down sides - os,drm,size,.....
I am not a MS fanboy but I still believe this thing has potential.
remember this thing -> http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/7639/appleipod12fc717fs6.jpg
fat as hell wasn't thaaaat great back then for 5 gigs but now look at it- straxus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Actually, like many microsoft products, the Zune is an acquired product, and hardly 'version 1'. It's actually heavily based on the Toshiba Gigabeat S, and so is closely related to the Gigabeat line by Toshiba. Toshiba even had a direct hand in developing the current Zune player. What I find funny, is that the player it's based on offers more freedom for the user than the Zune does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_Gigabeat - Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1the worst thing about the Zune is the Zune software that you have to use. iTunes is soooo much smarter it is ridiculous. If Zune was like a removable storage device I would be much happier.
- straxus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Actually, like many microsoft products, the Zune is an acquired product, and hardly 'version 1'. It's actually heavily based on the Toshiba Gigabeat S, and so is closely related to the Gigabeat line by Toshiba. Toshiba even had a direct hand in developing the current Zune player. What I find funny, is that the player it's based on offers more freedom for the user than the Zune does.
- profOblivion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12The title is way, WAY off base. Marked inaccurate. RTFA, folks. "a _developer_ who wants to put Linux on it..." (emphasis added, and the developer referred to is NOT a MS developer)
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3..as long as its Novell's Linux :p
- Spikito, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1the only reason i dont see the zune becoming an instant hit, for one thing, almost everyone already has and Ipod, before it, almost on had an mp3 player, i did 8 years ago, but im a nerd, so when the ipod came out, everyone got one. secondly, the ease of use with itunes is hard to compete with. i like using itunes, drag and drop into my favorites folder, and plug in my ipod. im not any kind of fanboy, but thats hard to compete with.
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It would take an act of God to make any portable music player a palpable fraction as popular as the iPod but the market is, apparently, endless and there is room for a well-engineered alternative as long as no one expects it to dethrone the iPod. Even if Zune were free I think it would never become as popular as the iPod. The iPod is a fashion and status statement as well as a useful and elegant product.
Nonetheless, for those people who'd like to tweak, a Linux based Zune (Lune? Loon?) might captivate a small niche market a bit like the WRT-54 routers. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Zune is a long term investment. Anyone who thinks iPod will still be so utterly dominant 5 years from now is barking. It will still be a huge player but these things tend to end much more quickly than people recognise. The PC OS market that was different because the one obvious competitor made a series of mad decisions for reasons of arrogance rather than bottom line. Also IBM crippled themselves with management. Really the opposition got out of their way but they are back now that's for certain.
Personally I'm glad MS is in this market despite being a Linux user. More competition means better products and/or lower prices. Can't argue with it. What OSS has done to get the MS juggernaut innovating again*, MS will do to Apple in the MP3 market.
*before anyone mentions OSX 90% of the work there was OSS work.
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1It would take an act of God to make any portable music player a palpable fraction as popular as the iPod but the market is, apparently, endless and there is room for a well-engineered alternative as long as no one expects it to dethrone the iPod. Even if Zune were free I think it would never become as popular as the iPod. The iPod is a fashion and status statement as well as a useful and elegant product.
- alin4all, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Why does everybody say the MS is bad or stuff like that??? In the end,.. most of us are windows users, right?? Why don't we all change to Linux if it's that good? and one more thing ... u all criticize Microsoft for the bad Windows... but in the end Windows is just a part of MS. Don't tell me the Microsoft Office is bad... I mean check how many users make business out of it.. and in the end.. -----> WE should thank MS for wanting to use Linux.. isn't that what we all want???
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Why does everybody say the MS is bad or stuff like that??? In the end,.. most of us are windows users, right??"
You just answered you own question - no one complains quite as loudly as one that has to eat someone else's dogfood without choice. Most of us cannot "simply change to Linux" because our companies will not let us - and even at home, work often reaches in to dictate what computers you buy so that you can do a few things for work at home. That's what really halt deeper Linux penetration, and Apple has only just started to overcome in significant ways... - loconet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3When your grade 8 teacher told the class to let your opinions be heard, she didn't really mean _you_. Not specially before having researched and educated yourself about the subject. Think before you speak, it will help you in life.
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2OK, piece by piece:
Why does everybody say the MS is bad or stuff like that??? In the end,.. most of us are windows users, right?? Why don't we all change to Linux if it's that good?
I have. I only use Windows for games. Though, even those I could run under wine or cedega, possibly.
and one more thing ... u all criticize Microsoft for the bad Windows... but in the end Windows is just a part of MS. Don't tell me the Microsoft Office is bad... I mean check how many users make business out of it..
Yeah. But, I prefer open source software becuase it's generally better and it's free. If I wanted to, I could modify it. And, if I need to use the MS Ofiice, I can use OpenOffice.org.
and in the end.. -----> WE should thank MS for wanting to use Linux.. isn't that what we all want???
This has been proven to be false (if you're referring to the article). And besides, Ballmer is threatening to sue Linux devs and users.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"Why does everybody say the MS is bad or stuff like that??? In the end,.. most of us are windows users, right??"
- DucksofAnaheim, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5The tie-up with Linux was a VERY smart move for the long term. I bet they make Zune Linux compatible among other things. Their open XML just won out as a standard ;) I can only see this making the Mac platform even more irrelevant than it already is. Apple is like a closed little secret society like North Korea.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6OpenXML is a published standard, just like OpenDoc (only OpenDoc was a standard first).
As for Apple being closed - apple has embraced a lot of open standards like LDAP and the calendaring standard and DAV and so on. They also use XML for configuration files, unlike the closed registry Microsoft uses. They give back to the KHTML team which they use as the rendering engine for Safari, which has since seen the benefits of Acid2 compliance.
Who is more open again? - andocom, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@SuperKendall - "Who is more open again?"
Did you completely forget Apple's OS runs only on their hardware, MS's OS runs on any hardware, I guess that isn't as important as Apple using XML for config files though. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1They give back to KHTML because they have to. Apple have fiddled with KHTML so much that it is almost completely incompatible with the original anyway. The Konqueror team had to do a lot to put that Acid2 fix in and are now working with the Safari to get the code bases closer together. Basically their having to make all the sacrifices to gain Apples 0.1% contribution to their own code. Personally I'd just let Apple fork and get bogged down. The KDE team would leave them for dead quickly enough and they would just come back for the next big Safari release.
KDE seem to be aiming ridiculously high. Their hoping a KHTML based series of browsers will push IE, Firefox and Opera in the market. KHTML is good enough (lets face it, most efficient and probably has the best standards support) but market share is crucial. This is all part of their Konquer everything scheme though. - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Anyway to make a point about the Apple thing. KDE should be wary, if Apple want to be part of a KHTML alliance and are ready to make certain sacrifices for that then fine its a great thing. If they go in and Apple just change the base beyond all recognition without any sort of consultation again then its pointless chasing them.
- yoasif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Umm, Apple /did/ fork KHTML (It's called WebKit). And Apple does not have to contribute code back, but they do anyway.
http://webkit.org/
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6OpenXML is a published standard, just like OpenDoc (only OpenDoc was a standard first).
- titaniumdecoy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2How desperate can they get?
- mlock2k, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Hate if you must but the zune will only get better.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5No argument there - it's only got one way to go.
- reevolutn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9FTA: "For many years I have maintained that Windows is too geeky for me; that as a mere user it is easier and safer for me to stick with Linux"
ummmm ok- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Whoa. Well, some folks do drive on the left.
- t3hX, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, in Australia, we do drive on the left of the road. Many other countries do as well.
- jumpglider, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Smart move? Who cares about Linux on the Zune? Get real.. the five geeks who might do something with it means absolutely nothing for MS or Linux. This is a mass-market product for "normal" people who will use it out of the box. Even then, I doubt it will take off or see enought to be a sustainable isolated music platform. DRM limited music is not a hot ticket for anyone.
- Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i think you are _slightly_ underestimating the size of the Linux community.
Viva la open source - GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Aren't there currently like 500,000 people registered with the Linux register site. They don't catch nearly everyone but 500,000 people are worth targeting.
- Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i think you are _slightly_ underestimating the size of the Linux community.
- nwkeeley, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1Okay so seriously what do you guys prefer Zune or the ipod? I don't care if they put linux or whatever on the zune, I'm stickin with my ipod.
http://www.pollburner.com/takePoll.php?id=e2f4756bb5d0- 8bit_Hero, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Zune! Putting my fanboy aside for a sec it's because of the potential of what it could be with some firmware updates. Also, Zune (to me) gives me more geek cred. The iPod is just too trendy now. (I should have stuck with my Archos)
- Casedot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have both, and I like the iPod. The touch wheel is so much faster than a button setup, especially when you have 25 gigs of songs on it. it takes me much longer to find an artist or song than on the iPod. Also, i like iTunes soooo much more than the Zune software. Other than that the Zune is pretty sweet. The screen is nice and the menus are nice, and it is pretty fast.
- GMorgan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You can already put Linux and Rockbox on the iPod. This would bring the Zune into the same territory as iPod for geeks not displace it outright. Of course there are other devices with third party firmwares as well.
- tech42er, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I have a Nano, thought about an iPod but decided against it. I'm getting one of these for Christmas: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/watches/8e18/
- michaelg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They are just trying to make it work with Linux to keep up with their end of the Novell deal. I don't think they actually want linux to be running on it.
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0Why do you aver that? You haven't any notion of what MS does or does not want. Besides, the article makes clear that this is a one off situation, not a policy or defined direction.
- Gerz1219, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually this could be a great business strategy for Microsoft. Sell a high-margin piece of hardware under the cover of a doomed-to-failure iPod killer, but make it easy for the mod community to tinker with it. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the mod community could leverage the Zune's hardware power to create a true iPod killer, and make the new firmware easy to download and install. The new firmware could copy the best parts of the iPod's interface, yet include full video support (Divx/Xvid/whatever), on-the-fly FairPlay circumvention, games, etc.
If the process was simple enough (and there's no reason it couldn't be), Zune sales would skyrocket. Sure, the Zune Marketplace would be a miserable failure, but digital downloads aren't a profitable business anyway. The money is in selling the hardware.- zip22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1if they wanted to do those things, they would not have made the player like they did.
- DrunkMonk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I am also an iPod owner, zune looks like an attractive alternative but I wont be buying one any time soon. I love the scroll wheel on the iPod, the only bad point i have about the iPod is its software, i hate having to be locked into iTunes to manage my music. Microsoft have made the exact same mistake with zune by forcing you to use its bundled zune software.
- zip22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1try winamp or media monkey. both have native ipod support.
- 8bit_Hero, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i second that about both iTMS and Zune Marketplace. I really enjoyed my Archos Gmini. No Software needed. drag and drop media in specific folders and play.
- fjc8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@zip22
That doesn't change the fact that you can't buy DRMed music from anyone but Apple for an iPod... if you want to buy music. - zip22, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DrunkMonk never mentioned the itunes music store. he only mentioned being locked into software, which hes not. as of right now, there are multiple software options for the ipod (including linux) while the zune only works with one program and on OS.
- spac3m0nk3y, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2You mean nobody has gotten Linux running on the Zune yet? That's got to be a Linux first. Oh well, with or without Microsoft's help, I'm sure somebody will eventually do it.
- superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2If you want to try playing with a Zune, Target has kiosks set up. Two observations:
1) The brown is too pale, at least in store lighting. I thought it was darker.
2) I really dislike the whole interface (including the control buttons) rotating depending on what you are doing. It's even less fun when the kiosks have them rigidly fixed in an upright position.
3) The brown one (they had two) had either frozen, or had a screen insert showing a fake screen that looked way too real.- shoez, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8That is 3 observations.
- shoez, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Thank god, a story where fanboy battle royale is atleast a little balanced.
I see this Zune vs iPod crap the same way I see any other conflict between two huge names in an arena(Republican vs Democrat, PS3 vs 360, etc.) People don't seem to understand that someone else buying and using and maybe even liking a product doesn't hurt everyone else. If anything, a competitor to the iPod will force Apple to add more features, drop prices, etc. Competition is just about always good for consumers, but fanboys only see competition as an excuse to belittle and argue with others. Until they learn to interact with people of different opinions in a constructive way, they will be completely useless to society. - drakethegreat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3"Imagine working for a company that is tolerated, at best, in many social circles. Imagine being a computer science graduate, going to a class reunion, telling people you work for Microsoft, and watching your former classmates slowly back away as if you'd just told them you had a venereal disease."
This is obviously written by a guy whose been couped up in front of a PC running Linux for years. Hes from Florida so I guess has doesn't realize that in Seattle Microsoft isn't as despised as he thinks it is. People who aren't geeks honestly don't give a damn what Linux geeks think about Microsoft and they get tired of hearing it because a lot of people in Seattle have worked first hand with employees and can put faces to the crap people talk about MS. In reality people consider you lucky to be working for Microsoft in some cases because it pays well and Microsoft is local.
To sum it up, Microsoft isn't hated by people in its local area as much as a Linux zine editor would want everyone to believe. - fiveoaks, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Inaccurate. That quote is obviously sarcasm, especially if you RTFA.
- anomalya, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Microsoft should definately take advantage of open source software just like everybody else, but you'd think the yd have their own OS for it lol
- gregcotten, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The voice of the guy in the video has a pissy, pessimistic attitude - he complains that stuff he sees can not be disclosed. Do you think companies like Microsoft (or Apple for that matter) condone the public disclosure of trade secrets?
- djcronos, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree that the Zune has much potential. I wonder how long until we start to see applications being built for it, or integrations with Linux on sourceforge.net?
- leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The Zune hardware does have some great potential with the proper software installed.
Where else can you get a nice bright 3" LCD screen, a 30 GB hard drive, and an 802.11 b/g transmitter in a form factor that small for $249? Combine that with a good embedded Linux distribution, and you have the potential to transfer your entire music and movie collection from your PC to the Zune wirelessly. Best of all, you could transfer that collection to someone else's PC or Zune wirelessly without any DRM issues. Try doing THAT on an iPod.
- leonbev, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The Zune hardware does have some great potential with the proper software installed.
- wafflesomd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Smart move? Who cares about Linux on the Zune? Get real.. the five geeks who might do something with it means absolutely nothing for MS or Linux. This is a mass-market product for "normal" people who will use it out of the box. Even then, I doubt it will take off or see enought to be a sustainable isolated music platform. DRM limited music is not a hot ticket for anyone."
I would buy one if Linux were ported to it. - thecompkid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0cue immature 5th graders saying "ooooooooh, you just got pwned"
cut to fight scene - rabidphage, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1This is a propaganda by Microsoft.,,
Did you notice that the video narrator is the new version of Microsoft Sam??- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Cough. Right. Aluminum is your milliner's choice, eh?
- lyzz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1libmtp eh??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
Some users find this protocol only works reliably in Windows XP. Furthermore, the use of Windows Media player is required to load songs into MTP MP3 players (though Winamp is said to also be somewhat compatible). USB mass storage device class devices do not suffer from these limitations.
What about WMV, WMA, DOC, or SMB? - digitallysick, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Once they get linux on it and real wifi, let me know, i might buy one =)
- yoyar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Microsoft wants to destroy Linux. Anything they do in one way or another has this underlying agenda.
- DigitalDud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Microsoft doesn't compete with OS kernels, or source code movements. They compete with companies that happen to back them like Novell, Sun, or IBM.
- lustre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn! Somehow I missed yoyar's name on the MS board of directors list.
- MasteRR, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I know this isn't the place this is normally said, but I have to.
IT'S A TRAP! - tylersmalley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1One would think they would make it compatible with their own software first...
- tmcdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmmm, sagging sales numbers show they're desperate to find any niche community to sell their pmp to, and not likely to work. Creative and Sandisk are whooping their ass, and they know it.. (not to mention 75% market share Apple)
- SiCk666, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have a Ipod Video 30G but: Zune + Linux = No more talking.
Imagine: videos (without converting formats all time), games (emulators, we had a pad and 3 buttons ^^), photos, WIFI! (sharing and a lot more) and OFC music, etc.
If you say that zune don't need a linux, you're stupid.
Its possible to do, the processor is compatible and previously had done for a lot of media devices, so WHO HAD THE KNOWLEDGE FOR MAKE IT!? - naiku, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1great read, bad title.
- dman762000, on 11/16/2007, -0/+0it would be great to use my zune on my ubuntu
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