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Microsoft is not the boss, we are

libervis.com — "Was this really where Microsoft thought it would be ten years ago? Is this really Microsoft's idea of making the rules and leading the industry? Being forced to *deal with GNU/Linux* by making fuzzy deals with vague patent implications?"

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schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Microsoft is certainly *our* boss, but it's still holding Michael Dell by the leash.

Did Microsoft want to 'whack' Dell over its Linux dealings?
http://news.com.com/Did+Microsoft+want+to+whack+Dell+over+its+Linux+dealings/2100-1014_3-6153904.html

Dell's secret Linux fling [sabotaged by Microsoft threats]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/09/dell_linux_china/

Microsoft 'killed Dell Linux' - States
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/03/19/microsoft_killed_dell_linux_states/
- lacronicus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2you mean like how dell will be offering linux in the very near future for a lower price? what?
GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4"What happened? Here is what happened. The GNU/Linux community made GNU/Linux too strong, too loud and too succesful to ignore!"

I've got a question. The Zune has a higher monthly market share increase than Linux, in their respective markets (DAP vs. OS). How come the Zune isn't "too strong, too loud and too succesful?" It's selling 7% as much as the iPod each month. That rate of growth is higher than that of Linux, which is around 4%.

Microsoft said that Dell could sell Ubuntu as much as they want, as long as they also sell Novell SuSE. It's called "business", schestowitz. The computer industry would collapse if companies required donations to make profit. Microsoft isn't going to lose billions of dollars and fire 9/10 their employees and ruin their stock and release the Windows XP and Vista source codes so that you can get their product for free. They've got programmers to pay, stockholders to appease and charities to give to. Windows Open Source isn't going to happen sometime soon.

PS. Dell is going to start selling Ubuntu, and Windows XP / Vista. That means MSFT didn't kill Linux, 'whack Dell' or sabotage anything.
- mikelieman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7@GawtMilk,
  
  We don't want their product AT ALL. We just want the APIs, so that our programmers compete on an equal footing with their programmers.
- shmatt, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Microsoft said that Dell could sell Ubuntu as much as they want, as long as they also sell Novell SuSE. It's called 'business.'"
  
  you mispelled '*****.'
- generalloy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Actually, MSFT is obligated to ensure a competitive marketplace. They've already been whacked twice in the US for failing to do so (1994 was about unfair PRICING and bundling to OEMs), and they are under ongoing fines in the EU and may face a structural remedy. Antitrust laws exist for precisely the purpose that monopolies can't gain so much power that consumers get hurt by their conspiracies.
  
  BTW, nice strawman argument about getting Windows for free. Dell's highest ranking ideastorm? LINUX.
7of7, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1No one is forced to "deal" with Linux.The most marketable distro, Ubuntu, is broken from the get go. Whether it's the wireless problems, sound problems, arrogant jackass developer problems, or arrogant jackass user problems, Ubuntu, and the Linux community in general do more than enough to make sure no one will ever seriously look in their direction except for people easily swayed by marketing campaigns and rhetoric like Stallman's. When it stops being a crusade against Microsoft and starts a serious attempt at making decent software the FOSS movement will certainly have promise, but until then it is simply the Rush Limbaugh an Ann Coulter of the tech sector: making ridiculous claims about the competition and whining about being constantly picked on.
- Ratmtattat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"Whether it's the wireless problems, sound problems, arrogant jackass developer problems, or arrogant jackass user problems"
  
  I put Feisty Fawn on my laptop and everything worked just fine. The wireless was found, it detected my access point, and it connected using WPA2 without any problems. The sound worked right at the start up as well.
  
  I haven't had any issues with the way that the developers have dealt with problems in the OS. It's not perfect by any means, but every version that's come out has been much much better than the previous.
  
  I'd also like to see the "arrogant jackass user problems" to which you are referring. I'm not denying that this could be an issue, but I'd just like to see where you're getting this from.
- atdigg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"I'd also like to see the "arrogant jackass user problems" to which you are referring. I'm not denying that this could be an issue, but I'd just like to see where you're getting this from."
  
  He's a troll and when somebody calls him on his ***** his only subterfuge is to complain about "Linux jackasses"
  
  BTW, any Microsoft fan should cheer for Linux, otherwise Windows would cost two times it costs now.
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