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- cenarta, on 10/10/2007, -4/+38He also claims that Microsoft wouldn't even think about trying to buying votes or as he says "that it would be crazy to think that we did".
um.......yeah.....Microsoft would...um...never do such a thing. - Archer007, on 10/10/2007, -3/+30This is much more than OOXML. This is setting a precedent that we cannot allow to be set.
- Rubuntu, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24This is more wide spread than just Sweden. Portugal was even worse with the Chair being a MS cronnie and not allowing Sun to participate, Or Germany where Google and IBM was not allowed to vote. The Spanish situation smells bad also. And less not talk about the back and forth with the US position, that really sinks bad.
The fact is OOXML sucks as a Open Standard PERIOD. The format still relates to binary codes in Word 2007. MS should have joined the Oasis like 100s of other companies and worked on a SINGLE FILE FORMAT as a standard. Now we have 90% of Asia going ODF, most of South America and a huge digital divide is happening. This divide will help the eventual fall of MS from domination. MS brought is upon themselves. - motang, on 10/10/2007, -6/+24See what happens when obscene amounts of money are in the pockets of wrong people.
- dasunst3r, on 10/10/2007, -0/+17But this doesn't change the fact that ODF has already been approved as an ISO standard. Why ISO would want two document standards is beyond me. If OOXML is approved as a standard, ISO could lose a lot of credibility.
- pnyphnz, on 10/10/2007, -7/+22I like how people are acting like this never happens anywhere.
- SPThom, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11The problem is that "Open" XXML isn't exactly open. Microsoft has opened up parts of the format, but other parts that actually make it *usable* to other vendors remain closed and cryptic. I can understand people's concern... it's not unlike trying to decipher Internet Explorer's cryptic rendering bugs. Microsoft likes to use the facts that (1) they're #1, and (2) their technology is ***** to keep others out of the game.
- sputnike, on 10/10/2007, -3/+14"Vote no, and we'll make sure our customers don't know you exist. The choice is yours."
- Phocion55, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13A nice follow-up to the SIS saga:
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Swedish_vote_on_OOXML_annulled - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -4/+14Fuk Apple!!!
- Chickenlip, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Microsoft, thou hast lost an eighth...
- Rubuntu, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Because they in bed with MS
- HalFTW, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9English article (same site as this story) explaining why (basically it is invalid because Microsoft voted for OOXML twice).
http://digg.com/linux_unix/OS2World_The_Swedish_OOXML_vote_has_been_declared_invalid
"According to the press release issued by SIS tonight (the pdf document is created 18:05 CET) the SIS board has declared this weeks earlier OOXML vote as invalid due to that one of the participating companies has voted two times where the SIS rules clearly says that each company can only cast one vote each.
Microsoft had 3 persons to represent them at the SIS meeting and it looks like that Microsoft was the one to voted two times." - Viper007Bond, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10http://www.noooxml.org/
- staffa, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Your argument is flawed on both ends, financial reward is not equivalent to financial punishment. Giving money to someone in exchange for something is not the same thing as taking money away as punishment for not doing something.
On the other end, the Mafia was offering protection from having the snot beat out of you by the Mafia.
And to continue, maskedpixelante was not defending MS, he was pointing out how the poster was using underhanded and dishonest tactics to smear MS. He has a much clearer sense of ethics then do you, he actually applies it equally to everyone.
Don't confuse calling someones BS as being equivalent to supporting the other side, there is enough BS on both sides to go around. - moofer, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Working?
- wildmannz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Hmmm. And they got their money by being nice, friendly and squeaky clean?
Time to open your eyes, methinks. - n0c0ntr0l, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Just goes to show, Microsoft will do almost anything to make sure they are the last working product on the earth.
- Balla79, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7You are actually helping them when you use pirated MS software, rather than alternatives.
- Gerbil_Juice, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Do you expect to be taken seriously when you talk like that?
- moofer, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8I like how you're acting like people don't have the right to react to a story. The article doesn't mention anything about anywhere else in the world, or in any other industry. The story came out, and people are reacting to it, which they're entitled to do.
- GaiaAP, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6But votes are not a free market commodity mate, can you say bribe?
- johnw188, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6I've worked in the standards industry for a few years now, and this really isn't anything new. Whenever any big new document works its way through the committee process there's underhanded activity like this, because standardization can be a boon to a companies business. I know of a guy who wrote a Department of Defense standard to use a specialized component that only he could produce. It would cost anyone looking to get into the market to replicate his die, which wouldn't be cost effective, and as such he cornered the market. The downside, of course, would be that people could get fed up with having to buy from him and write a new standard that doesn't include his piece.
What people also don't seem to understand is that just because something is standardized doesn't mean that people are forced to follow that standard. I disagree with the ratification of the standard in this form because it doesn't allow engineers reading it to implement OOXML in their software and portions of the 6000 page document seem worthy of an obfuscated C contest. However, I'm not opposed to OOXML being adopted as an ISO standard.
There are standards for everything. There's an ISO standard about brewing tea (no joke, I have a physical copy of it not twenty yards from where I'm sitting). Does that mean everyone in the world has to brew standardized tea? Of course not. But lets say a programmer wants to add support for OOXML documents to his program. Surely having an ISO going through precisely what that entails is a good thing? The format itself is a ***** format, and I don't see people abandoning the other document formats for it, but having a standard describing it can only be a good thing (provided that standard meets ISO guidelines and such, which I don't believe the document does at this point).
This is the view of most of the standardization committees as well. The major point of contention here is that Microsoft is trying to put the document on the fast track of the process, even though it clearly has major flaws that need to be addressed. The committees will send their notes in, and the points they bring up will be addressed one by one, and eventually the standard will be fit for publication. - commernie, on 10/10/2007, -4/+9Why can't we worry about both? I don't know about yours, but most people's brains have the capacity to worry about two things simultaneously. (And, by the way, Microsoft is one of those companies that buys off politicians.)
- skimmas, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5From what I have read the problem is that they're making a somehow closed standard. And there's already a standard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenDocument) so I don't see what's the point in creating a new one.
- Atomic1fire, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4nor will the use of numbers to replace words
basketball jedinumberface - FearlessFreep, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Well there was one on the Slashdot page a few hours ago...
- init100, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4And OOXML arguably came into existence after Open Document Format. Please note that the standardization is not about the decades-old binary format, but a brand-new format first seen in Office 2007.
- commernie, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You're right, it happens all the time. But only occasionally does it make headlines. Sadly, a lot of people don't know that it happens all the time.
- JasonCox, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Since when is offering *more* money then you're already being given count as being forced?
- amfantasy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5I this really what the computer industry has sank to :(
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7How is that "forcing" them to do it?
- harrisbradley, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Wow. I am continually shocked at how companies will utilize money to further their business... :|
- Urusai, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4It's theoretically against US law for US corporations to pay bribes in foreign countries.
- doodlebumm, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5dessert - two S's (dessert is twice as good as a desert).
- diggitizer, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3This is a perfect example of Digg over other news source.
A. Open source XML document format - people buy into it because of the benefits
B. Microsoft 'open' XXMLWTF document format - company BUYS people into it
A. is good for consumers
B. is bad for consumers, and good for the company
How can you tell B. is good for the company? Well, they are willing to pay to get their last minute sew up of their governments realization that closed, artificially modified document formats are, more importantly for them, a real ***** up to work with, and compromise national security (see numerous incidents where Microsoft office documents make leaks unmanageable because users are and always will be users), and less important for them, waste ***** of tax dollarz (hey they get kickbacks)
If the US looses the fundamental document format 'war' and let's M$ continue their rapage, it is on par with allowing the bush admin back into gov.
Fight it, consumer rights versus corporate will. - MaskedPixelante, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Okay, so your (and others) argument is that offering money for something is the same as forcing the person to take it, because other people who DO take it would have an advantage?
Does that logic then extend to politics where lobby groups are forcing government officials to take bribes? By definition, if they're forced that means they're not accountable for their decision to go along with it, because they didn't have a choice. So there's no such thing as a dirty politician, only evil interest groups controlling a government unable to fight back?
Is Google, then, also forcing everybody to chose Google Checkout by offering a financial incentive to use them rather than paypal?
My intent is not to defend MS, buying votes IS sleazy and underhanded, but that doesn't make lies and untrue slander any less underhanded and sleazy. If you'd like, we should be able to end this argument now if I were to offer to paypal you $1 to agree with me, thus forcing your compliance. - MonkeyMCSE, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5And right here is exactly whats wrong with business these days. You can't trust a corporation farther than you can throw it, yeah show those ethics, prove to the people how underhanded you are. Maybe if MS would let their wares go on their own merits more people would respect them, but probably not like you, bend over and get your reward. I prefer to do my business with companies that actually offer something to their consumers, rather than try and lock them in. You sir, are the ***** you seem to like calling everyone else. Maybe learn some business ethics or try taking a business 101 class and see how the market works, not how you presume it should work.
- MeneerR, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3See what happens when obscene amounts of money are in the pockets of any human being
- gyrfalcon, on 10/10/2007, -9/+12Maybe we could just start a fund to get Microsoft out of the computer industry...they really suck that much.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3A consumer?
- Atomic1fire, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4I always knew swedes could be bought over by money
- usefulidiot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3XXXML GONE WILD...
- goffy59, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Omg, block. Sheep/tool^^. ;)
- Philluminati, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2if you buy a computer you've given you money to ms. that's of course unless you built it or got a ubuntu one.
- Theli, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"money talks guys, bs walks"
How old are you anyway? - mtekk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Shhh. your media overlords might catch wind of your dissidence.
- specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I don't know if you did it on purpose, but that actually rhymes.
- DaffyDuck, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Also, "they'll" is used incorrectly.
- OBKenobi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2[quote]I this really what the computer industry has sank to[/quote]
How did they even justify that? -
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