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- theonlyvlad, on 10/10/2007, -16/+196Meh, a BMW and a Moskvich have basically the same features... wheels, engine, steering.... somehow one is marginally better than the other though
- crackah, on 10/10/2007, -24/+115Yeah, okay.. but i like office 07, its really good and would pick it any day over open office.
- NeoRicen, on 10/10/2007, -33/+107Open Office sucks balls, it's Ok as a free program but it's ugly, unintuitive and looks about as good as Office 97. I'll take Office 07 over Open Office any day.
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -4/+37As long as I continue getting the Office suite for free through my school, I'm sticking with MS Office. As much of a benefit as OpenOffice is for people without the funds or means to get Microsoft Office, and as much of a cool project the whole thing is, I've found OpenOffice to be more difficult, less pretty, and oddly enough, more of a computer hog (memory and processor...although I haven't really done any strict testing so that could be due to other things).
- quomen, on 10/10/2007, -5/+37WTF IS A MOSKVICH.
- newstart, on 10/10/2007, -7/+34Yes I must say. Office 07 is really good. Dont refute it without trying it
- Niomi, on 10/10/2007, -4/+28Okay, I support Open Office but this is just lame.
- Reziarfg, on 10/10/2007, -2/+24What exactly is wine a cloned product OF? I understand that open office is the equivalent of MS Office. But, wine is a windows API emulator, there's no windows version of a windows API emulator. That's a bit redundant.
- consonance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22I've read some good arguments in the past against Microsoft, but this one is just stupid. Microsoft here is pointing out products that are derivative of Microsoft products, and that explanation is extrapolated as an admission that competing products are equivalent to those made by Microsoft. This bogus piece should have never made it to the front page.
- WiseWeasel, on 10/10/2007, -6/+27I love Open Office and all, but MS Office is still quite a bit more polished. There's been some great progress, but Open Office still has a couple years to go before I'd consider it as a full replacement, at the current development rate. Nothing comes close to touching Excel's awesomeness. If you try to use the spreadsheet module of OO.org for any serious work, you will RUN back to Excel with your tail between your legs. I think MS has been complacent and misguided as much as the next geek, but Office is still #1.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -7/+28Open Office is good for people who can't afford MS Office or can't find a good crack for it.
- quomen, on 10/10/2007, -1/+21HOLY SWEETS THAT'S HOT.
- aarona, on 10/10/2007, -6/+21The first time I ever got a resume back from a prospective employer marked with "we can't read this - it's all garbled - please send in a different format" was the last time I ever used OpenOffice for anything official. Bought Office 07 the next day. I've gotta say, as someone who moonlights as a freelancer, I've gotten a lot of use out of Office 07 that I never saw in OpenOffice - especially with some of the neat new features inside of Excel. For maintaining compatibility and consistency, as a small (
- dysfunct, on 10/10/2007, -16/+31Plus one major difference is Outlook - OO.o doesn't even have an email client, while Outlook is one of the biggest reasons Office is so widespread in the workplace.
- MatttK, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15This mindset is why OO isn't a real contender. Shiny = good. A good user interface is very important to the average user. Not everybody likes to type their essays and reports in vim.
- specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14My sister has been using Excel 07 for some months now. Yesterday I was using OO, and she needed to do something quickly in Excel, I told her to use OO. She went crazy looking for stuff. Office 2007 is not just shiny, it has really intuitive user interface.
- Reziarfg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12While Wine isn't an emulator in the sense of hardware emulation(which is why they coined that acronym) they do emulate the windows API. The reason, as I understand it, for them going by "Wine Is Not an Emulator" is because people were confusing them for the laggy hardware emulators like VMWare. But since all Wine does is emulate the windows API and uses your native hardware, it runs everything at native speeds.
This is how I understand it. Correct me if I am wrong. - quarkie, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13.doc is not a format to send text documents in, neither is .odt.
.pdf - now that is a format for document interchange.
Are they going to edit your resume and send it back to you? Do you have macros that have cool features to your resume? No? Then use pdf. - jdhore1, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17I use OO, but i have one comment about it: Saying Java is good because it works on all OS's (and gives you a pretty standard GUI) is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.
- Screwy1138, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11nice try, but SharePoint, OCS, IRM
The Office base products may be similar, but when it comes to the extended stuff that enterprises NEED, it's a whole different ball game. - Zettabyte, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13The price, is like grand for Office 2007 (student $75) and OOo is free. I highly doubt that most people here who has Microsoft Office, paid for the license fee.
- mpancha, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13I love how "basically the same features" become "Microsoft can't see any significant differences".
Further proof that the education system sucks. - reticulate, on 10/10/2007, -6/+17Office 07 FTW. Outlook 07 is a reason to upgrade all by itself, not to mention the rest of the suite.
This isn't to say OO isn't any good, it's just not really in the same league at the moment. - chowmeined, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13There is an open source enterprise level e-mail client called Evolution. It just isn't packaged with OpenOffice.
- azzageddi, on 10/10/2007, -7/+17To each his own, but I have used OpenOffice so long that, with a few caveats, I prefer it to the versions of MS Office I've used. That said, I haven't tried Office 07 yet.
- cdmarcus, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15OpenOffice, feature-wise, is actually quite comparable to MS Office. However, OpenOffice's slow performance and dreadful UI really ruin it for me. For an example of its terrible UI design, just go to the Options dialog. They consistently misus GUI widgets, and the organization of the dialog is terrible. AbiWord is fast and has a great UI, but isn't powerful enough, although I do recommend it to anyone who doesn't need the more advanced features that OpenOffice provides.
- danakin, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Well, OO WAS designed and intended to be a clone of MSOffice...of course it will have the same features. MSOffice just has more polish behind their features.
- M4cb0y, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Virtual PC wasn't for Windows it was for OS X.. Plus, that was an emulator, not a clone of wine. (Wine stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator)
- kahlessreborn, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13WHich is what thunderbird is for :)
- generalloy, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10It's not written in Java. You can disable the Java run time environment in fact, in Preferences, which are basically the database program (Basic), the Media Player, and wizards.
Openoffice's cross-platform interface toolkit is written in C. - azzageddi, on 10/10/2007, -7/+16I look forward to trying it, but only if it comes with a new computer or if it's put on my office PC by my company. Why spend hundreds of dollars when there's OpenOffice, which I'm used to and enjoy using?
- NeoRicen, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9They are, it's called Office 2008 and it's coming out later this year.
- tdous, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Please, not Apple designers. I could do with less mid-90s brushed steel effect thanks.
- cyssero, on 04/18/2009, -2/+11MS are great how they offer MS Office to students for free or really cheaply. They offered all university students in Australia Office 2007 Ultimate (lifetime license) for $75. Or, buy it for one year at $25 and extend it to a full license for an extra $50. Hard to hate on them for that.
- soupir, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Clearly, you do not write many important documents.
- bieber, on 10/10/2007, -4/+12So, why didn't you just PDF it? I normally write my documents in LaTeX anyways, but no matter where they come from, any decent PDF reader can read a standard PDF
- turok64, on 10/10/2007, -5/+13you joking? ive been using open office 2.0 the last year for grad school. its terrible!
- Waterrat, on 10/10/2007, -27/+35 It's Open Office for me.
- reticulate, on 10/10/2007, -4/+11Yeah, except it doesn't always work, especially if you've done any funky formatting.
But don't let me stop you feeling superior, please. - venom8599, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8Best of both worlds?
- theonlyvlad, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9http://www.oldtimersweb.be/fotos/autos/images/moskvich%201951.jpg
- coheedcollapse, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7wtf. That ' snuck in when I wasn't looking. Sorry for the grammar mistake before someone yells at me.
- daftman, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7May be for those who spend 1 hour on the layout of the essay and 1 minute on the content itself then sure, Office is really great.
Professional reports are done in LaTex, not Office or OO. - anoriega, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Ever heard of Save AS?
- Sewende, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8Export the thing as a PDF.
There, problem solved. - specialK16, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7*stares deeply at the screen wondering what the ***** did OrangeTide just said*
- OrangeTide, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8I would read Microsoft's comments as saying that OpenOffice and Wine don't do anything new or innovative.
- Spr0k3t, on 10/10/2007, -4/+10I have to support Office07... to me, it's a pain. I've had to use the ribbon for months and just can't stand it. If OOo ever receives the option of a ribbon interface, I hope it's only available through a plugin.
- snowball69, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6In my long and tedious professional experience the most surprising conclusion is that the biggest majority of users could seriously do their day-to-day work with a copy of Wordpad.
Excepting of course, the handful of pain-in-the ass (support-wise) power-users who have a tendency to do things the hard way every time and contribute very little to company profitability - like maybe the clueless company director's secretary I encountered who did every document *entirely* in tables because she hadn't got a clue how to use the TAB key or paragraph indenting!!! (seriously) No surprise MS Word "keeps crashing on me" when working on 100-page tables lol. (Caveat: Company Director's Secretaries - esp. blonde female ones are NEVER WRONG!).
Much of the discussion is moot - given how few of the advanced features are genuinely used out there in the real world of earning one's livelihood.
If you are in the support business make it your business to take note of just how many people could genuinely do what they need to do with nothing more than a copy of Notepad. You may be surprised and then realise just how the IT industry is driven on hype and marketing and how even us geeks tend to swallow it. - snowball69, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I'd agree but... unfortunately... DOC has been a de-facto document interchange standard out there in the "real world" for some years now.
Like many, I've laboured long and hard to encourage PDF use even if only for the security/virus issues - but have to accept I'm banging my head against a wall. (Kinda hurts after already doing it to Cradle of Filth already!). -
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